Noi/Noy?

[bobbyboy112003]

From the book "speaking Thai"

Karuna riek moh hai noy krab=call a doctor quickly!

Khor yuem pakgar noi krab?=May i borrow your pen please?

Khor sak song daimai?=may i use some please?

Karuna bork chue khun noy krab?=could you tell me your name please?

Khor pood gun khun Marisa daimai krab?=could I speak to Mrs Marisa please?
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Example#1
Karuna riek moh hai noy krab! Here I am ordering or exclaiming

but

Karuna bork chue khun noy krab? Here i am requesting.
Both use "noy" why?



Example#2
Khor yuem pakgar noi krab? Here i am to use "noi"

but

Khor sak song daimai? Here I am not to use "noi"

Both are "may i questions" or subjective, yet only one uses "noi"?

also

Khor pood gun khun Marisa daimai krab?
Here i am subjective, yet don't use noi/noy.
Are there any guideline as when to use noi/noy?

Thanks,
Bobby

[babyoiy]

Khor sak song daimai

I cant read .... wot that mean ? hmm may i use some = khor suk song ?

mai kao jai :roll: hehe

[aidon2004]

Actually I thought ˹èÍ (noi) usage was , for example, a bit "taller etc", a little more of "?", or a little while whereas the usage of ¹éÍ (noy) is, for example, few "?", little "?", small, slight, tiny, etc.

That is why it is used when you want a little more!

[PaperFlower]

Noi/Noy is the same word. If it shows in sentense means we would like to ask something form you in polite way but in correct should to to say
For weman..Di Chan kor yeum pak ka noy dai mai ka?=May i borrow you pen.
For men..Pom..........Dai.Mai krab?
We use Noy not noi(Shot not compare in thai long speech)
For single word..We use Noy too..means small, little or tiny.

In thai language so different from others coz we have rhythm or tone of speech. Lots foreigner can't say...Ka KA' KAèÑç KA KA+ê..>¡Ò ¡èÒ ¡éÒ ¡êÒ ¡ëÒ
That's why they can't speck thai clearly.

[bobbyboy112003]

Thank you everyone for your input here...very helpful!

Bobby

p.s. would I use noi/noy to make a name cute? Or even to explain that someone is little or younger?

ex: Bobby noi (little Bobby or Bobby's son)

ex: Sawasdee sandee noi (hello little angel)

Thanks again.

Bobby

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[garfield]

Hi Bobby,

You have touched on one of the hardest aspects of learning Thai -- correct use of the final particles.

By particles I mean words like, "khrap", "na krap", "noi", "thee", "lawk", "si", ja", "mang", "woi", "ther" and so on. These are used a lot in speaking and much less so than in writing.

Since Thai is a tonal language it's much harder to soften or adjust the meaning of a sentence by changing your tone of voice. Instead, Thai uses final particles. Although some of these "particles" have their own meanings mainly they are used to subtly change the message.

You already know "khrap", (polite word for men) and "na khrap" where "na" makes the statement a bit more friendly and less formal.

"noi" is used to soften requests and imperatives -- to make them seem less abrupt. Especially with very short sentences it can mean the difference between a barked order and a polite request.

Example
You can say "khor joop noi" or even "joop noi" to request a kiss, but it would sound very strange to leave out "noi"

Since "noi" means "small, little" it's often used to humbly indicate that the request is not so important or not too much trouble. You shouldn?t be overly concerned about the literal meaning of the word though.

?Noi? is one of the most general purpose words, so it is often introduced early in books on learning Thai. I have to warn you though that there are many quite similar words such as "thee", "duay" which sometimes are more suitable in various types of requests. Your book is trying not to confuse you too much!

Back to your examples?
You now know that ?noi? is just used to soften a request. But why is it omitted sometimes?

Khor pood gub khun Marisa daimai krab

Actually you could use ?noi? as follows
Khor pood gub khun Marisa noi daimai krab

I think the reason ?noi? is omitted in your examples is that there is another question particle there. i.e. ?daimai?. Having ?softened? the question with a ?Khor? at the beginning and a ?dai mai? at the end, noi becomes less necessary.

You can for example say ?Khor phoot gup Khun Somchai noy khrap?? as a simple way to ask the same question.

Certainly there are ?rules? about using these end particles but it also depends on the level of formality, intimacy and status of the two parties (like a lot else in Thai). The best way to pick them up is by listening to their usage.

BUT a note of caution. Women have their own particles as do teenagers. And lower class people! So don?t just imitate or you might sound like a young gay man

Conor, you are the consumate cunning linguist! Seriously, very worthwhile and informative treatise on the nuances of the Thai language. I suspect that i am too idle/too addled/too apathetic to reach the pitch that you demonstrate. Mai pen rai

All the best

Daithi

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