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ok someone please explain to me...


paulgh3rd

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Ok I've been in bkk a few weeks and been dealing with the only mild inconvience of the red shirt rallys so I've got some questions about it and since none of my close friends are red shirt enthusiast they haven't been able to answer.

1. If Thaksin was still prime minister wouldn't his term in office be over. This of course not assuming he was reelected which is a separate issue.

2. The people of thai rak thai political party have reformed into another party? Now granted in America and other western countries (yes I do look at the news from other countries) saw the outlawing of a whole political party of counter democratic and this hurt Thailand's international image. Which also brought the question why not outlaw the participation of those they thought were involved in corruption from the party or from political activties of any kind? Out lawing the party just makes people feel like their voices are not heard and THAT is what leads to revolt.

3. Thaksin was removed by a coup and not the process stated somewhere in the constitution or someother legal doctrine set forth to handle such matters. So the red shirts want the new prime minister removed but wasn't he voted in? Do they want new elections?

4. One friend when discussing world investments in 3rd and 2nd world countries came back to Thailand and they thought it was something the wealthy class of Thailand didn't like about Thasakin's ideas or plans or maybe his parties was to remove the law about foriegn ownership of land in Thailand. One person in the discussing felt it would make Thailand no longer for Thai's. Which I then pointed out you mean as in everyother country where foreigner can own land especially a business where it is most important for them to have assests like the building they are in. They did not know that in most western countries a foreigner could own property and a business could as well. I also pointed out the same thing with businesses not requiring a national to be a member or partner or whatever the Thai requirement is. They were also surprised at this. Could this be another reason the so called "elite' went after him and his party? A change to the staus quo?

 

a final thought... a government which has rules in place for the removal of a person in the highest office and resorts to a coup takes it international standing down greatly and forces the citizenry to take various sides and civil strife is the only result and in the end the only people hurt are the citizens when the rule of law is not followed.

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Ok I've been in bkk a few weeks and been dealing with the only mild inconvience of the red shirt rallys so I've got some questions about it and since none of my close friends are red shirt enthusiast they haven't been able to answer.

1. If Thaksin was still prime minister wouldn't his term in office be over. This of course not assuming he was reelected which is a separate issue.

2. The people of thai rak thai political party have reformed into another party? Now granted in America and other western countries (yes I do look at the news from other countries) saw the outlawing of a whole political party of counter democratic and this hurt Thailand's international image. Which also brought the question why not outlaw the participation of those they thought were involved in corruption from the party or from political activties of any kind? Out lawing the party just makes people feel like their voices are not heard and THAT is what leads to revolt.

3. Thaksin was removed by a coup and not the process stated somewhere in the constitution or someother legal doctrine set forth to handle such matters. So the red shirts want the new prime minister removed but wasn't he voted in? Do they want new elections?

4. One friend when discussing world investments in 3rd and 2nd world countries came back to Thailand and they thought it was something the wealthy class of Thailand didn't like about Thasakin's ideas or plans or maybe his parties was to remove the law about foriegn ownership of land in Thailand. One person in the discussing felt it would make Thailand no longer for Thai's. Which I then pointed out you mean as in everyother country where foreigner can own land especially a business where it is most important for them to have assests like the building they are in. They did not know that in most western countries a foreigner could own property and a business could as well. I also pointed out the same thing with businesses not requiring a national to be a member or partner or whatever the Thai requirement is. They were also surprised at this. Could this be another reason the so called "elite' went after him and his party? A change to the staus quo?

 

a final thought... a government which has rules in place for the removal of a person in the highest office and resorts to a coup takes it international standing down greatly and forces the citizenry to take various sides and civil strife is the only result and in the end the only people hurt are the citizens when the rule of law is not followed.

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The more you ask and talk about all this ****, the more you will realise how much you dont get, dont understand and dont know.

Advice: Leave it alone and just enjoy the food, people and country.

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1. yes

2. yes, yes and yes people are not heard

3. yes but (arguably) not clear majority

4. yes, of course. why should they care? its all about self interest

just for yucks... in one particular democracy which you may be familiar with they have the belief that if the govt does not work or it is corrupt then it is the responsibility and duty of the people to overthrow that govt

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yes, no, maybe, possibly and if your not thai, don't bother trying to understand. thaksin was removed by martial law and the prime minister now was installed and not elected. don't mistake what goes on in thailand with what goes on in your country and you'll not be disappointed.

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Thaksin himself was never elected by the people. The MP's that were elected decided who should be PM. Thaksin himself never got a single vote from the voting people. The same way the current PM was put in his position.

Thaksin put in place all the people that were supposed to control, and monitor his actions for illegal activity. They essentially worked for him.

There is no doubt in my mind that Thaksin would have changed the laws, so he could be in office until he essentially died. Just as his buddy Hugo Chavez in Venuezela did. Remember he does have a passport from there now too.

Finally at the time of the coup Thaksin wasn't technically the PM. The results of his snap election were thrown out for electoral fraud, so he decide that he would be the care taker PM until new elections were held.

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Thaksin faced many years ago accusations of abusing his PM position to help his wife, affiliates and company, avoiding tax following the sale of his company. The procedures are still going on today, as he escaped the country this slows down the progress. His assets were frozen, ~76Billion THB, now ruled to be seized by government last week, which triggered the start of the Red Shirt manifestation.

Many people keep saying the current government was not elected. I am seeing this in forums and I suspect malicious people are spreading false information. On this forum, I think they are innocent side effects from this information warfare. BBC and CBC are often fooled to, or choose to, omit information that may hurt Thaksin's image even though the UK government consider him a fugitive.

The current Thai government is a minority government because none of the parties reached 51% last election. Because Thai democracy is still young, there are too many parties. The democratic party leader Abhisit had to form an coalition with other parties, who are against Thaksin. This seems like normal democracy to me, many countries currently have coalitions like Canada.

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People also forget the name "square face" that Thaksin was labeled when he was in office. (a very derogitory term for someone who always lies). There was even a song made, that Thaksin tried to have the writer, and producer, convicted so he could throw them in jail, but their identity never was found.

He created a law that put a 10% duty on all telecomunication companies, except his own, thus giving him a 10% edge financially over any other telecom company that tried to enter the market.

He gave gov't loans to Myanmar, and raised the amount by himself, to develop, and improve their telecommunication system, with the requirement that they buy exclusively from his company. Knowing that any attempt to criticize Myanmar about their human rights violations would end up with them not repaying those loans. And people wonder why Thailand won't press Myanmar to release their political prisoners, with one lady in particular. It's all about a few hundred million US.

With his selfishness, corruption, and no reguard what-so-ever if people got killed, he would still be in office, for life, with laws he would have changed.

There is really only one way this will all stop, and that is to play by his rules. Sad, but true. As long as this criminal is alive he will continue to destroy Thailand, until he gets his way.

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Oh and about foreign ownership of land;

It is my impression that most countries do not allow foreigners to buy land in desirable areas. Because of the demographic and economic situation, ASEAN countries do not allow this completely. There are ways around it, mostly if you're rich (Singapore) or build a company. African countries are now being the victim of massive land grabs from foreign companies. ASEAN countries who allowed this to happen in their past now suffer major social problems, where land prices are inaccessible to even their middle-class.

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