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I have just spent the last 30 minutes reading the journal about the conflict in Iraq and found it very interesting and very worrying. Suprisingly no female comments other that to say Jai yen yen which of course is typical here.The truth is war changes everybody, Had Britain not won the second world war then some of its leaders would have been tried for war crimes against the civilian population of Germany. My father flew bombers against Germany and reluctantly told of horror stories of the destruction they caused to innocent people, but this of course was justified because they were doing it to us. I have visited the battle sites in France of the first world war and cried at the waste of youth from both countries who were sent to slaughter by generals sitting behind the lines drinking fine wine and moving imaginary troops around like a game of chess.More recently in the U.K. we had the nothern Ireland problem which through time has been resolved and the "terrorist leaders" are now a political party talking with the British goverment on a friendly basis.The point is war changes men and they become "animals" in a fight for survival. I am fortunate to never have experienced the conflicts and ravages of war and therefor I have no idea how I would react if my best friend had his head blown off while sitting beside me. Would I just say "Oh well thats just war" or would I go and seek revenge in the most terrible way of the first enemy soldier I could find. Conscripts become hardened and there feelings are no longer that of a normal person who has never experienced these atrocities. What do we do when the soldiers come back from the ravages of war? The goverments hide them away or give them mundane jobs as security guards in buildings, as they are an embarrasing legacy of the stupid decisions govenrments make. Time resolves everything and war is forgotten, until the next one.
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I have just spent the last 30 minutes reading the journal about the conflict in Iraq and found it very interesting and very worrying. Suprisingly no female comments other that to say Jai yen yen which of course is typical here.The truth is war changes everybody, Had Britain not won the second world war then some of its leaders would have been tried for war crimes against the civilian population of Germany. My father flew bombers against Germany and reluctantly told of horror stories of the destruction they caused to innocent people, but this of course was justified because they were doing it to us. I have visited the battle sites in France of the first world war and cried at the waste of youth from both countries who were sent to slaughter by generals sitting behind the lines drinking fine wine and moving imaginary troops around like a game of chess.More recently in the U.K. we had the nothern Ireland problem which through time has been resolved and the "terrorist leaders" are now a political party talking with the British goverment on a friendly basis.The point is war changes men and they become "animals" in a fight for survival. I am fortunate to never have experienced the conflicts and ravages of war and therefor I have no idea how I would react if my best friend had his head blown off while sitting beside me. Would I just say "Oh well thats just war" or would I go and seek revenge in the most terrible way of the first enemy soldier I could find. Conscripts become hardened and there feelings are no longer that of a normal person who has never experienced these atrocities. What do we do when the soldiers come back from the ravages of war? The goverments hide them away or give them mundane jobs as security guards in buildings, as they are an embarrasing legacy of the stupid decisions govenrments make. Time resolves everything and war is forgotten, until the next one.
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Why would females in Thailand care anything about the war in Iraq? You think the local Thai guys think about it either? Only the farang guys that are anti-America from Europe and Austrailia shoot off their 2 cents worth....lol

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afook06, i think everybody should have an opinion on whats going on in iraq, afghanistan or elsewhere because it affects or might affect in the future every single one of us. i understand why people dont wanna consider all this. theres just no space for global political problems in a mindset which is only about jobs, cars, dating, mp3 players and the newest cellphone. nevertheless, its an illusion to think war happens far away and is therefore none of our buisness. just consider the following scenario:

the western governments get defeated by islamists in iraq and afghanistan. the global islamist campaign against freedom and democracy picks up momentum. the muslims in southern thailand, supported by al quaida, start taking their battle and their tactics of bombing as many civilians as they can to the thai capital of bkk.

here we are. the war that seemed so far away is in front of our doors, our loved ones get killed on their way to work or while having a party.

i think unfortunatly, the evils of war and terror can reach as faster than we can imagine. therefore....i think all of us should be aware of what is happening elsewhere in this small world.

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Cefiro--- u said so..and its true.. for u for me.and thnx god for many of us.. about beeing the first generation in ur family not going and passing trough a war..

im happy to leave us related matters in the hands of us citizens coz itz theyr right and duty to decide and discuss about whats going on today.. but.. if u mind.. as an outsider that lost already too many souls from my family in 100 and more years.. i believe its my right.. to speak my mind..

just to remind..and to point.. that war leaves only scars.. on all of us.. on all of You..

regardless who started..who wanted..who is doing what..to who

lot to loose.. what to gain?

whats gonna be..after this.. coz is gonna end one day..hopefully

thai girls..mans..who ever from where ever..what is feeling now about this matter? why its not commenting?.. what do u think they will say?.. ..i believe this matter only fills people harts with sadness and sometimes disgust.. better stay silent.. and i will do so from now on..

or at least ill try (my right to shut my mouth)

have a good w-end all of u

ciao

P.Pa'

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What you wrote aboout soldiers reminds me of a book by Ernest Hemmingway, A Farewell To Arm. War does not only destroy the concretes, it also destroys the abstract and it serves mainly nothing but pride and greed. I have never learned a war that happens for a more sensible reason.

War in Iraq right now can be a good example that had it not because of the American greed and fullish pride, so many innocent people would not waste their life for nothing. And look at the "general" who came up with the brilliant idea of making war happen, like Bush. He lives in the white house, has people at his feet serving him even in the toilet. While so many youths who one day might make this world a better place had been killed in the battle field just to support his bullshit.

For those who have been through war, I'm sure the experience cut much deep down that no matter what they do, it'd still be there. Calling it a scar would be too easy, since it's their mental scar that no medicine can heal. I have a friend who was in Persian war, he looks normal just like any of us. But if you asked him about the war, you will realize that some part of him has been forever lost in the battle.

My friend did well in the war, but he decided to leave. Right now, he's working in a national park at an OK job, but nothing fantastic. So much for his service for America and the risk that he'd been living throughout his years in the uniform.

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