PeeMarc Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Revenge (synonym vengeance) is a harmful action against a person or group as a response to a (real or perceived) grievance. Although many aspects of revenge resemble the concept of justice, revenge connotes a more injurious and punitive focus as opposed to a harmonious and restorative one. Whereas justice generally implies actions undertaken and supported by a legitimate judicial system, by a system of ethics, or on behalf of an ethical majority, revenge generally implies actions undertaken by an individual or narrowly defined group outside the boundaries of judicial or ethical conduct. The goal of revenge usually consists of forcing the perceived wrongdoer to suffer the same or greater pain than that which was originally inflicted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge _________________________________________________________________ Seems we humans have lived with this topic since the beginning, but not everyone agrees with it. Or, some people agree with it for some things and not others. Here in Thailand, it is legendary at all levels throughout history, stories, romance and in daily news. But none of this makes it either 'right' or 'wrong'. Whats your view? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalcat Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 it feels good in the moment but has consequences. if u do... dont let them know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I don't think the legal system represents everyone equally. Sometimes revenge or the possibility of revenge is the only true equalizer. I'm all for it. Justice is for the rich. Revenge is egalitarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condotown Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 It would take a very special circumstance that would require any real revenge. First, we must think of the source of what would cause someone to seek revenge. One thing comes to mind: Another person doing something which you consider "bad" to you or your loved one/s. I usually let karma sort things out. In about 99% of the cases you can avoid feeling wronged if you plan far enough ahead and think it through. And in most cases where you believe you are "wronged" you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or hanging out with the wrong people. Punching or slapping an Indian Tailor or beggar child when they touch my arm is not revenge, but just a "reflex". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I usually don't agree with it unless the other person has done something seriously wrong (murder, rape), and didn't get any punishment. Seeking revenge is something typically done by those who can't accept not winning (ie...girl breaks up with guy, guy can't accept this and throws acid on her face). Just let it go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 (ie...girl breaks up with guy, guy can't accept this and throws acid on her face).Just let it go... but lets say you had acid thrown on your face by someone... would you then "let it go"? just askin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Punching or slapping an Indian Tailor or beggar child when they touch my arm is not revenge, but just a "reflex". I know its bad... but I just cant stop laughing at this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Revenge is all about pride and ego. Do I agree with it ??? Depends on whether or not it's going to remain an issue. If you can't let go or forgive and therefore can't move forward, then don't deny your ego and pride any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 What's the point? For example Saddam Hussain. Yes, he'd kiled a lot of people and done a load of bad things, and in the heat of the moment, kiling him seemed like a really good idea. But, it wasn't in the heat of the moment, it was as cold and calculated as he had been. Now, years later, there's still lots of unanswered questions, which only he could answer, but now they can't even be asked. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but revenge became the overwhelming factor, and, now, there are no answers. Revenge is a passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Saddam Hussein was apportioned what counts as Justice in our age. He was tried, convicted and ONLY THEN was he hanged until he was DEAD DEAD DEAD. That was not revenge. That was what the world calls justice. Regardless of the motivation. What the hell is out there right now to which Saddam only holds the key to it's mysteries? Saddam is the poster boy for revenge. Revenge was his lifetime model. His MO, if you will. What? If Saddam were alive still, you think he's gonna cough up those top secret nuke coordinates. Saddam was on the receiving end of International Justice. The old fucker got what he deserved in the end. Just not enough of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Saddam Hussein was apportioned what counts as Justice in our age. He was tried, convicted and ONLY THEN was he hanged until he was DEAD DEAD DEAD.That was not revenge. That was what the world calls justice. Regardless of the motivation. What the hell is out there right now to which Saddam only holds the key to it's mysteries? Saddam is the poster boy for revenge. Revenge was his lifetime model. His MO, if you will. What? If Saddam were alive still, you think he's gonna cough up those top secret nuke coordinates. Saddam was on the receiving end of International Justice. The old f*cker got what he deserved in the end. Just not enough of it. See? You're still kneejerking even after so much time. If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. But, clearly, it was done out of revenge, by people with, justifiably, empassioned hearts, on behalf of all those who wished it so. Its all very well to say that's the end of it, being a distant observer, but there are many who still have unresolved issues to deal with, which he could have helped with (had he been so inclined), which just might have helped them. Regardless, it's academic. Just a for instance I brought up. Could equally have been so many others. You, obviously, have voiced your opinion in favour of revenge, whereas I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 (ie...girl breaks up with guy, guy can't accept this and throws acid on her face).Just let it go... but lets say you had acid thrown on your face by someone... would you then "let it go"? just askin' If it got rid of acne, then yeah...I'd let it go. But seriously... It all depends on how serious the action was, and if s/he received fair punishment or not. If someone raped someone close to me, and the police didn't do anything, yes, I would seek revenge. If someone called me a poo poo head, I'd let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Saddam Hussein was apportioned what counts as Justice in our age. He was tried, convicted and ONLY THEN was he hanged until he was DEAD DEAD DEAD.That was not revenge. That was what the world calls justice. Regardless of the motivation. What the hell is out there right now to which Saddam only holds the key to it's mysteries? Saddam is the poster boy for revenge. Revenge was his lifetime model. His MO, if you will. What? If Saddam were alive still, you think he's gonna cough up those top secret nuke coordinates. Saddam was on the receiving end of International Justice. The old f*cker got what he deserved in the end. Just not enough of it. so when will those f**kers Bush and Blair get the justice those murdering, lying ***** deserve ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 From the article in the NY Times By: Benedict Carey, New York Times Tuesday, July 27, 2004 Payback Time: Why Revenge Tastes So Sweet Revenge may be frowned upon, but the urge to extract a pound of flesh, researchers find, is primed in the genes. ...The expression itself is all pleasure. In one recent experiment, psychologists demonstrated that students who were ridiculed were far less likely to avenge themselves on an offensive peer if they had been given a bogus "mood-freezing pill," which they were told blocked the experience of pleasure. "We've shown many times that expressing anger often escalates and leads to more aggression," said Dr. Brad Bushman, a psychologist at the University of Michigan who conducted the study, "but people express it for the same reason they eat chocolate." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. It was way too fast and way too vengeful to be regarded as merely justice. It was revenge. Nothing more. No justice was served. He answered for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. i do believe Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush didn't want a proper trial for obvious reasons !!!! now why the f**k r those ***** not on trial ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. i do believe Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush didn't want a proper trial for obvious reasons !!!! now why the f**k r those ***** not on trial ??? You have a way with words sir, are you a a poet? UInfortunately, there are those who blind themselves to the truth. Usually, those closest to the lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. i do believe Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush didn't want a proper trial for obvious reasons !!!! now why the f**k r those ***** not on trial ??? They're not *****, ..... ***** are useful :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Have you been watching the new episode of Dr.Phil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Have you been watching the new episode of Dr.Phil? Nah, nothing but Ellen in this household whether I like it or not :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. Justice would have been better served had he been forced to face his accusers and to account for his actions. He'd have died anyway. At least this way (as far as he is concerned), he gets off lightly. Killing him in the heat of the moment merely served to answer the vengeful calls for his death, not those for him to answer for his actions. You can argue otherwise, but only from a passsionate point of view. No one who acts out of passion doesn't regret acting otherwise later. Where's Ciaran's flogging the dead horse icon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 No matter what Bush, Cheney, Rummy or any of the others might be, it changes nothing regarding Saddam Hussein or his guilt. He was tried. He was convicted. He was executed. All by his own countrymen. Bush, Cheney are guilty of nothing more than any other powerful government in the history of this world are guilty. You guys can wax poetic all ya want. It changes absolutely nothing. Do I agree completely with the US led Coalition invasion of Iraq? Not really. Nor do I completely disagree. Saddam was a monster. I'm not one of those wishy washy libs who gets queezy at the sight of blood. Sometimes war is a necessary evil. I just wish when we did it, we'd do it right. Too late for regrets now, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you read, I said that I didn't disagree that he got what he deserved. I didn't comment on whether you agreed or disagreed. I said that he was on the receiving end of justice. Not revenge. i do believe Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush didn't want a proper trial for obvious reasons !!!! now why the f**k r those ***** not on trial ??? Please do explain. I can't stand Cheney and Rumsfield. Have little tolerance for Bush at that. Even so, I'd love to hear why Saddam Hussein being put on trial would have hurt those three. Anyone who has a pair of eyes and the willingness to do the research can learn of the involvement of America in Iraq over the past 30 to 40 years. Absolutely nothing that Saddam Hussein could have revealed in a trial that is not known or at the very least theorized. I'd love to hear this if you have the time. A good yarn every now and then is good for the soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 That's the trouble with dead people. Those you wish weren't, are. And those you wish were, aren't. It's a very fine line. Never mind, in a hundred years, who'll care? Not George Bush I'll be bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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