Why do English teachers get such a hard time.

[drlovelife8]

I have several friends who work in a high school. But when people ask then what their jobs are they either lie or say their job title with embarrassment.

Why. It must feel good to help people get prepared to live a more successful life.

Why do English teachers get a bad rap.

They seem to work quite long hours for a relatively low wage when you look at other farang salaries (managers of companies and engineers).

Don't give me any **** about their behavior out of work!! They don't earn enough to be the real bad boys of this city. That goes to the high roller farang. and well off Chinese and Japanese guys...... and me.

Is it because a few are **** teachers and only came here to **** girls..... Doesn't that make them over qualified???

If it is because a few are arse-wipes... Isn't that like saying all blacks are crooks because of a stereo-type of them which a small number re-enforce???

Thoughts please..... My 2 best mates in this country stared out as English teachers here and 2 more really good ones still are. My first job here was in a school too.

You thoughts...... I work in a hospital by the way..... Just to distance myself from such low class, farang keenok, couldn't score in a brothe, fat, overweight, bald, riddled with AIDS, *****-dating, hooker-barebacking, ugly, smelly, poor, useless, pitiful, blah blah blah scum

The last part was the inevitable Dr.Lowlife humour.

But really, I don't see Thai teachers being so embarrassed by their work choice.

[Admin_2]

They get a bad name because I've decided that I want to join their ranks.

My bad.

[Crustyjuggler]

I've met many good quality and qualified English teachers here and they don't shy away from their profession at all.. If teachers are shying away from it then they probably are the drunken dumb **** shitty english speaking student shaggers that we all know are plenty in numbers and seldom have any idea how to teach English to foreigners.

It is certainly a profession that needs to be cleaned up with better vetting methods, i've met some proper scum teaching English in Thailand.

[English_Bob]

I'm not sure it's only Thailand where they get a bad rep... I met a bunch of people the other day - real snobs - I asked them what they do and they replied, "Educators."

Errrrm like you educate people or something? Like teaching them?

I was a teacher in Thailand for 4 years - hard working, conscientious, punctual and professional... I know my grammar and was very successful.

And though the money was lousy, I enjoyed the experience.

I barely shagged any of my students (2, I think - but they were both willing adults)

[beej]

Because they are cheap, shameless fucks.

[Boog]

I'm one and I feel pretty good with it (not english but I think it's the same for all languages)

I can see a kind of respect for teachers here, that has faded away long ago in my country.

Thais still see teachers as people giving knowlege and deserving respect for that.

But true, there are some sh*t foreign teachers here...hope they won't f*ck this up...

(btw, money is not that bad, in corporate training anyway :wink: )

but i voted 3 because i can see myself in :twisted:

[beej]

But true, there are some sh*t foreign teachers here...hope they won't f*ck this up...

They did a long time ago.... you don't need to worry about that.

[pluggy]

Where do all the english teacher come from to teach that every second

word in a dialog must be ****?

[beej]

Where do all the english teacher come from to teach that every second

word in a dialog must be f*ck?

Where the **** do you think?

[Crustyjuggler]

Where do all the english teacher come from to teach that every second

word in a dialog must be f*ck?

Where the f*ck do you think?

Ireland?

[CiaranM]

Where do all the english teacher come from to teach that every second

word in a dialog must be f*ck?

Where the f*ck do you think?

Ireland?

we don't f**king swear that much !!! twats !!!

[drlovelife8]

I've met many good quality and qualified English teachers here and they don't shy away from their profession at all.. If teachers are shying away from it then they probably are the drunken dumb f*ck sh*tty english speaking student shaggers that we all know are plenty in numbers and seldom have any idea how to teach English to foreigners.

It is certainly a profession that needs to be cleaned up with better vetting methods, i've met some proper scum teaching English in Thailand.

These guys are not like you describe. But they seem to get vibes from others which piss them off. They are great and over qualified. As you don't know them watch your mouth. i agree there are some baddies though. It is that minority I assume a minority who give the good ones a bad name, chai mai?

[Crustyjuggler]

You asked for an opinion and you got one....

"watch your mouth" are you 8 years old? This is the net, for fucks sake..

[beej]

Open a bottle at a club and you'll have any English teacher within 100meters trying to be your best friend.....

[CiaranM]

Open a bottle at a club and you'll have any English teacher within 100meters trying to be your best friend.....

[beej]

Open a bottle at a club and you'll have any English teacher within 100meters trying to be your best friend.....

Or Giles, one of the two!

[condotown]

You got a couple hours?

I'll go through a list/diatribe of why they are despised by so many people.

Let me gather my thoughts, and I may or may not come back to enlighten.

[PiAnt]

Well, after employing "English Teachers" for the last 10 years, I've gotten more than a few insights.

Out of a few hundred or so, I've probably come across maybe 1 or 2 who actually planned to be a teacher here and who actually went as far as to do some training for it beforehand. Funniliy enough, Dannyboy was one.

The reason 99% of them "teach English", is because they have no other skill (other than their English ability), which can get them a legitimate job and, hence, a work permit and, hence, a long stay (12 month) visa (the ultimate goal).

A typical applicant:

"Hi! Are you looking for English teachers?"

"Possibly. Do you have any experience?"

"No. But, I trained crane drivers/pulled wire/drove a truck/dug ditches back home, so I can piss it. Can I get a visa now?"

If it lasted that long.

Why do they all seem so universally despised? Well, that's cos they are. The overwhelming majority are teaching English simply because they want to stay here. And that's what everyone knows.

Forgive me for being jaded, but the first thing that comes into my head when someone says "I was an English Teacher for x years." is "So it took you x years to find a real job."

I've seen pretty much everyone you could think of right across the spectrum. From people (wankers mostly) who were waving multiple degrees around, to people who I wouldn't employ to teach a dog to lick its balls (and probably couldn't), to people probably on the run and people who seriously made my skin crawl.

So, when the OP's mates say sheepishly that they're English Teachers, it's because they aren't proud of the fact that they (assuming that they're actually ok, and many actually are), are doing the job merely because it's all they can do.

Until they find a real job.

[PeeMarc]

Well, after employing "English Teachers" for the last 10 years, I've gotten more than a few insights.

Out of a few hundred or so, I've probably come across maybe 1 or 2 who actually planned to be a teacher here and who actually went as far as to do some training for it beforehand. Funniliy enough, Dannyboy was one.

The reason 99% of them "teach English", is because they have no other skill (other than their English ability), which can get them a legitimate job and, hence, a work permit and, hence, a long stay (12 month) visa (the ultimate goal).

A typical applicant:

"Hi! Are you looking for English teachers?"

"Possibly. Do you have any experience?"

"No. But, I trained crane drivers/pulled wire/drove a truck/dug ditches back home, so I can piss it. Can I get a visa now?"

If it lasted that long.

Why do they all seem so universally despised? Well, that's cos they are. The overwhelming majority are teaching English simply because they want to stay here. And that's what everyone knows.

Forgive me for being jaded, but the first thing that comes into my head when someone says "I was an English Teacher for x years." is "So it took you x years to find a real job."

I've seen pretty much everyone you could think of right across the spectrum. From people (wankers mostly) who were waving multiple degrees around, to people who I wouldn't employ to teach a dog to lick its balls (and probably couldn't), to people probably on the run and people who seriously made my skin crawl.

So, when the OP's mates say sheepishly that they're English Teachers, it's because they aren't proud of the fact that they (assuming that they're actually ok, and many actually are), are doing the job merely because it's all they can do.

Until they find a real job.

Sounds about right to me. And its not just in the teaching vocation. I've lost count of the amount of people who've asked me to get them a visa (because I have my own company and good connections), just so they can live here and not have to keep doing the tourist visa run.

Mostly, these people wont be in Thailand much longer than a year and wont really bring anything here of any value. They just want to beat the system so they can "experience" Thailand and then go - usually when it all gets too hard and/ or when they've created so many dramas and problems for themselves.

[PowerPoof]

Come on you guys don't give them a hard time, we Thais need them.

[DANNO]

Come on you guys don't give them a hard time, we Thais need them.

want learn some English..little girl! :twisted: :twisted:

[PiAnt]

Come on you guys don't give them a hard time, we Thais need them.

Don't get me wrong ja; if they were all totally useless, I wouldn't have employed any.

Some are trustworthy, diligent, intelligent and communicative too and not just in it for the visa (though it is the main draw, even for these).

And there are more than a few who are quite worthy of the title.

(Though, I could relate a few tales which would make your teeth curl.)

[PiAnt]

Sounds about right to me. And its not just in the teaching vocation. I've lost count of the amount of people who've asked me to get them a visa (because I have my own company and good connections), just so they can live here and not have to keep doing the tourist visa run.

Doesn't surprise me at all mate.

I've had plenty of people asking for the same kind of thing, who brazenly state they don't want to do any work, just get the visa.

[CiaranM]

Come on you guys don't give them a hard time, we Thais need them.

Thailand needs good, qualified English teachers, but isn't prepared to pay the salary/package required to attract them .... hence u get what u pay for !!!!

i know quite a few teachers here and they r well educated, smart and responsible, but they tend to teach various subjects (not just english) at private schools !!!!!

[steevolution]

scum and scummer:

95% of the foreigners that live in Thai are scum. the percentage of English teachers who are real scum, gutter scum, is even higher. off the top of my head i'd say somewhere between 98-99%.

**disclosure: for me, if the main reason you are in Thai is that it is one of the few (the only?) places in the world that you can get laid (and that goes for women scammin on the african dope dealers, as well as men)... if the main reason you live here is to get laid... well get in line with the other scum.

i did some time in the trenches as an English teacher. met some beautiful, motivated people who really cared about students... consequently there was no way they could continue with that job in Thailand, where the schools are all for-profit businesses unless they're underfunded government schools with 50 students in a class..

1)i also worked with a guy that was on Interpol's Five Most Wanted list, for being a serial, flagrant, country-hopping child molester (now a guest of the thai govt in some prison near bkk)

2)a hugely fat, stinky, disgusting and ugly man (are you talkin to me? he says), with a prison tatoo ON HIS FOREHEAD, that would fill plastic bags in the school cafeteria to take home to his 18yr-old pregnant "wife".

3)more hugely fat, sweaty, disgusting whoremongers that would spend every baht they could get their sausage-like fingers on to get drunk, robbed, rolled by 40k girls... more of this type than you can shake a stick at.

and when they were out of money or couldn't leave the confines of school they'd be on school computers surfin internet porn (i like porn as well as the next guy... well maybe not quite as well but i can certianly see the point of it BUT ON SCHOOL COMPUTERS?!? JEEESUS CHRIST.)

4)and don't think the females are blameless. quite a good percentage were cokewhores, who back home knew their way around a pole in a topless club (lap dance anyone?) but once they washed up on the shores of Thailand they are suddenly "English teachers".

it's a job that anyone with a white face can get and keep, almost no matter how shameless and incompetent they are. many are called, but f**in few do it well. a TINY percentage of those called "English teachers" actually are... English teachers.

the label "scum" fits them so much better... that the two terms have become indistinguishable/interchangeable.

the few English teachers that in actuality are not scum, well, they realize their PR problem. it's something akin to the problem an honest politician or a lawyer/solicitor with a conscience has. nobody with half a brain will believe em.

[condotown]

scum and scummer:

95% of the foreigners that live in Thai are scum. the percentage of English teachers who are real scum, gutter scum, is even higher. off the top of my head i'd say somewhere between 98-99%.

**disclosure: for me, if the main reason you are in Thai is that it is one of the few (the only?) places in the world that you can get laid (and that goes for women scammin on the african dope dealers, as well as men)... if the main reason you live here is to get laid... well get in line with the other scum.

i did some time in the trenches as an English teacher. met some beautiful, motivated people who really cared about students... consequently there was no way they could continue with that job in Thailand, where the schools are all for-profit businesses unless they're underfunded government schools with 50 students in a class..

1)i also worked with a guy that was on Interpol's Five Most Wanted list, for being a serial, flagrant, country-hopping child molester (now a guest of the thai govt in some prison near bkk)

2)a hugely fat, stinky, disgusting and ugly man (are you talkin to me? he says), with a prison tatoo ON HIS FOREHEAD, that would fill plastic bags in the school cafeteria to take home to his 18yr-old pregnant "wife".

3)more hugely fat, sweaty, disgusting whoremongers that would spend every baht they could get their sausage-like fingers on to get drunk, robbed, rolled by 40k girls... more of this type than you can shake a stick at.

and when they were out of money or couldn't leave the confines of school they'd be on school computers surfin internet porn (i like porn as well as the next guy... well maybe not quite as well but i can certianly see the point of it BUT ON SCHOOL COMPUTERS?!? JEEESUS CHRIST.)

4)and don't think the females are blameless. quite a good percentage were cokewhores, who back home knew their way around a pole in a topless club (lap dance anyone?) but once they washed up on the shores of Thailand they are suddenly "English teachers".

it's a job that anyone with a white face can get and keep, almost no matter how shameless and incompetent they are. many are called, but f**in few do it well. a TINY percentage of those called "English teachers" actually are... English teachers.

the label "scum" fits them so much better... that the two terms have become indistinguishable/interchangeable.

the few English teachers that in actuality are not scum, well, they realize their PR problem. it's something akin to the problem an honest politician or a lawyer/solicitor with a conscience has. nobody with half a brain will believe em.

CORRECT!!

I worked at one of the more famous international schools in the Bangkok Metro Area from 1996-2001. Part of the reason why I quit was because it wasn't worth making only 120K baht per month and being mistaken for being on par with the alcoholic ***** banging scum "teachers" at a newly opened Sarasas school not far away. I never looked back. I was offered jobs to be director, principal, headmaster of several institutions. There is no way I could stay in that business or go back until it gets cleaned up.

I went directly into being a consultant for an international publisher selling textbooks to the North American Curriculum schools in Thailand. My eyes were opened when I saw the state of education in Thailand and in much of the world. The greedy owners of for profit schools, the hapless parents being ripped off and the innocent kids with the potential of their wonderful minds being wasted.... I got out of the ugly business of education for good.

Some teachers are wonderful and totally put their hearts into their work and really change the lives of the students in wonderful intangible ways. But they are diamonds in the rough like black men in the inner city with a job and a wife and kid with his name on their birth certificate.