Deported for internet stalking.

[PeeMarc]

I know of a few stories like this, even a few from here on TF,

Could deportation happen in Thailand?

Whats your view? Got any stories to share?

Foreigner deported from China for stalking on the internet

A New Zealand national, alleged to have stalked and threatened Internet forum users, and written a book that he claims to be fictional, about experiences living in Harbin, has been deported from China, police at the Exit and Entry Administration Department of Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau confirmed last week.

XXXXXXXXX, 44, was deported at the beginning of May, police said. He will be unable to re-enter the country for several years. Police stated that they were not at liberty to reveal exact details with regards to the case.

Posting online after his deportation, XXXXXX said that he believed he had been expelled because of "connections between people I had caused trouble to on the Internet and someone in the Public Security Bureau."

"I am quite used to dealing with cops and in the car I tried to get what I could from him. He said that all his information came from watching the Beijinger website [a local online forum] over the last 10 days," XXXXXX wrote.

“Actually, it felt good to leave the mainland. I had come full circle in China anyway and was ready to leave,” added XXXXXX in his online post.

On theBeijinger forum, used almost exclusively by expats in Beijing, users claimed XXXXXX had conducted a "human flesh search," stalking forum members by using the Internet to find information about them.

“He was posting my photo, and the photos of other users, together with their names and places of work, every night. He threatened violence against both me and my wife, by name,” claimed one forum user who asked to remain anonymous.

The anonymous user told the reporter that XXXXXX had been using the forum for at least two years, and at times had been friendly, but had only become aggressive and threatening since January.

“In the end, I wanted to report him to the online police, the ones who deal with such crimes. But on their website there is only a Chinese form, and no phone number, so in the end, I just gave up,” the user added.

Another user told the reporter that she had been so upset by the posting of her details online, and the constant threats made to her, that she had been psychologically hurt and had stopped using the website.

A spokesman for cyberpolice.cn, the website that handles internet related crime in China, told the reporter that there were no special laws aimed at protecting personal information on the Internet, but that if the concerned persons sue, those who released the information would be called to account.

“If someone threatens others, he breaks criminal law,” the official who asked not to be named said. “And the person will be publicly prosecuted no matter the concerned victims sue or not, even if they are foreigners.”

When asked about the events that are alleged to have taken place on TheBeijinger website, Michael Wester, the General Manager of True Run Media, the company that administers the website, told the reporter that the forum was designed to be an information source for English speakers in Beijing, and aimed to always follow the rules set by Chinese regulators.

"It’s unfortunate that some people who use our forum become abusive to others and fail to recognize that just because you are online, it doesn’t give you license to be disrespectful and uncivil," said Wester.

“I have no particular "strings" to pull to get anyone who uses our site in trouble, but I do not hesitate to ban those users who, in violation of the user agreement they must agree to, become abusive.”

According to information provided by TheBeijinger, when XXXXXX started acting aggressively, they began by simply deleting his posts. When his writings became worse, his account was banned.

Soon after, XXXXXX then started creating new accounts every night, so was IP banned, which led him to use a proxy server, in an attempt to avoid the bans. Under constant new usernames, XXXXXX would claim to know everything about those he had stalked, constantly promising users “Your downfall begins now,” and warning people to “look behind yourself whenever you go out.”

In response, according the TheBeijinger staff, moderators would stay up late most nights, deleting his posts, and banning each new account in an attempt to contain his actions.

It was only when one unidentified poster, going by the name ‘Dr, Sloppy’, uncovered XXXXXX’s true identity that things began to change. Providing XXXXXX’s real name, ‘Dr. Sloppy’ allowed other users to turn the tables, and conduct searches themselves for his details, the same way XXXXXX had done to them for many months.

But not everyone believed XXXXXX’s alleged actions were wrong. One of his friends, who gave her name only as Wang, explained to the reporter that using the forum had put a lot of pressure on him, and believed to whole affair to be “a miscarriage of justice.”

“Imagine that if you know on the Internet there are some communities are specially for attacking you, how should you feel about this? That is why he fights back. Because he is fighting lonely, he must feel helpless and want to scream,” Wang told the reporter by email.

“Maybe he did some excessive things, but it is because he got very unfair treatment. So I understand him. But maybe some posters feel threatened, and they went to the police station. I think to deport one person just because of virtual things is ridiculous,” added Wang, who has also stated online that she believes XXXXXXX’s actions to be jokes, that have simply been misunderstood by others.

In her email, Wang also mentioned a book, written and self-published by XXXXXX, under the pen name XXXXXXX, which received heavy criticism on thebeijinger forum and several websites where the book was available for purchase. Wang, and other forum users, have questioned whether the criticism XXXXXX received for his work contributed to his actions against users, a claim vehemently denied.

“How can “online insults” explain what XXXXXXX did?”, one user wrote on thebeijinger. “He called me endless times every night, contacted my place of work, wrote vile things on my work forum and generally interfered with my real life.”

“Nothing can excuse that,” the poster added.

Complete article here...

http://www.chinahush.com/2010/07/01/foreigner-deported-from-china-for-stalking-on-the-internet-unabridged-updated-version/

ADMIN NOTE: WE'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE PERSON NAMED IN THIS ARTICLE AND HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE HAS BEEN RETRACTED BY THE SOURCE. THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE APOLOGIES FOR HAVING REPORTED THIS PERSON'S NAME IN ERROR SO WE ARE REDACTING THE PERSON'S NAME FROM ANY MENTIONS IN THIS THREAD.

Edited April 22, 2013 by FarangFarang

[drlovelife8]

I know of a few stories like this, even a few from here on TF,

Could deportation happen in Thailand?

Whats your view? Got any stories to share?

Foreigner deported from China for stalking on the internet

A New Zealand national, alleged to have stalked and threatened Internet forum users, and written a book that he claims to be fictional, about experiences living in Harbin, has been deported from China, police at the Exit and Entry Administration Department of Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau confirmed last week.

XXXXXXX, 44, was deported at the beginning of May, police said. He will be unable to re-enter the country for several years. Police stated that they were not at liberty to reveal exact details with regards to the case.

Posting online after his deportation, XXXXXXX said that he believed he had been expelled because of "connections between people I had caused trouble to on the Internet and someone in the Public Security Bureau."

"I am quite used to dealing with cops and in the car I tried to get what I could from him. He said that all his information came from watching the Beijinger website [a local online forum] over the last 10 days," XXXXXXXX wrote.

“Actually, it felt good to leave the mainland. I had come full circle in China anyway and was ready to leave,” added XXXXXXX in his online post.

On theBeijinger forum, used almost exclusively by expats in Beijing, users claimed XXXXXXX had conducted a "human flesh search," stalking forum members by using the Internet to find information about them.

“He was posting my photo, and the photos of other users, together with their names and places of work, every night. He threatened violence against both me and my wife, by name,” claimed one forum user who asked to remain anonymous.

The anonymous user told the reporter that XXXXXX had been using the forum for at least two years, and at times had been friendly, but had only become aggressive and threatening since January.

“In the end, I wanted to report him to the online police, the ones who deal with such crimes. But on their website there is only a Chinese form, and no phone number, so in the end, I just gave up,” the user added.

Another user told the reporter that she had been so upset by the posting of her details online, and the constant threats made to her, that she had been psychologically hurt and had stopped using the website.

A spokesman for cyberpolice.cn, the website that handles internet related crime in China, told the reporter that there were no special laws aimed at protecting personal information on the Internet, but that if the concerned persons sue, those who released the information would be called to account.

“If someone threatens others, he breaks criminal law,” the official who asked not to be named said. “And the person will be publicly prosecuted no matter the concerned victims sue or not, even if they are foreigners.”

When asked about the events that are alleged to have taken place on TheBeijinger website, Michael Wester, the General Manager of True Run Media, the company that administers the website, told the reporter that the forum was designed to be an information source for English speakers in Beijing, and aimed to always follow the rules set by Chinese regulators.

"It’s unfortunate that some people who use our forum become abusive to others and fail to recognize that just because you are online, it doesn’t give you license to be disrespectful and uncivil," said Wester.

“I have no particular "strings" to pull to get anyone who uses our site in trouble, but I do not hesitate to ban those users who, in violation of the user agreement they must agree to, become abusive.”

According to information provided by TheBeijinger, when XXXXX started acting aggressively, they began by simply deleting his posts. When his writings became worse, his account was banned.

Soon after, XXXXXXX then started creating new accounts every night, so was IP banned, which led him to use a proxy server, in an attempt to avoid the bans. Under constant new usernames, XXXXXX would claim to know everything about those he had stalked, constantly promising users “Your downfall begins now,” and warning people to “look behind yourself whenever you go out.”

In response, according the TheBeijinger staff, moderators would stay up late most nights, deleting his posts, and banning each new account in an attempt to contain his actions.

It was only when one unidentified poster, going by the name ‘Dr, Sloppy’, uncovered XXXXXXX’s true identity that things began to change. Providing XXXXXX’s real name, ‘Dr. Sloppy’ allowed other users to turn the tables, and conduct searches themselves for his details, the same way XXXXXX had done to them for many months.

But not everyone believed XXXXXXX’s alleged actions were wrong. One of his friends, who gave her name only as Wang, explained to the reporter that using the forum had put a lot of pressure on him, and believed to whole affair to be “a miscarriage of justice.”

“Imagine that if you know on the Internet there are some communities are specially for attacking you, how should you feel about this? That is why he fights back. Because he is fighting lonely, he must feel helpless and want to scream,” Wang told the reporter by email.

“Maybe he did some excessive things, but it is because he got very unfair treatment. So I understand him. But maybe some posters feel threatened, and they went to the police station. I think to deport one person just because of virtual things is ridiculous,” added Wang, who has also stated online that she believes XXXXXX’s actions to be jokes, that have simply been misunderstood by others.

In her email, Wang also mentioned a book, written and self-published by XXXXX, under the pen name XXXXXXXX, which received heavy criticism on thebeijinger forum and several websites where the book was available for purchase. Wang, and other forum users, have questioned whether the criticism XXXXXXX received for his work contributed to his actions against users, a claim vehemently denied.

“How can “online insults” explain what XXXXXX did?”, one user wrote on thebeijinger. “He called me endless times every night, contacted my place of work, wrote vile things on my work forum and generally interfered with my real life.”

“Nothing can excuse that,” the poster added.

Complete article here...

http://www.chinahush.com/2010/07/01/foreigner-deported-from-china-for-stalking-on-the-internet-unabridged-updated-version/

Holy ****............... Please don't report me girls

Edited April 22, 2013 by FarangFarang

[PeeMarc]

Holy sh*t............... Please don't report me girls

did you really have to quote the whole thing just to say that? lol

[drlovelife8]

Holy sh*t............... Please don't report me girls

did you really have to quote the whole thing just to say that? lol

Well........... I don't know.

[Admin_2]

There have been a couple of TF'ers with the same sort of mental disabilities that I know of. The main problem is that their internet dream world doesn't end once they shut down the computer and head out into the streets.

[StevieJR]

There have been a couple of TF'ers with the same sort of mental disabilities that I know of. The main problem is that their internet dream world doesn't end once they shut down the computer and head out into the streets.

Damm you......you promised you wouldn't mention it again!!

[Admin_2]

There have been a couple of TF'ers with the same sort of mental disabilities that I know of. The main problem is that their internet dream world doesn't end once they shut down the computer and head out into the streets.

Damm you......you promised you wouldn't mention it again!!

Sorry Stevie, but this *game* is just a GAME!!

http://gprime.net/game.php/drunkwalk

You can't keep playing it at 4 AM on Sukhumvit Road!

[drlovelife8]

There have been a couple of TF'ers with the same sort of mental disabilities that I know of. The main problem is that their internet dream world doesn't end once they shut down the computer and head out into the streets.

Damm you......you promised you wouldn't mention it again!!

Sorry Stevie, but this *game* is just a GAME!!

http://gprime.net/game.php/drunkwalk

You can't keep playing it at 4 AM on Sukhumvit Road!

Indeed. Some people don't seperate online from reality. There ao are a few celebs here who live for this site.

I read about a Korean cople who let their baby stave to death while they played looking after an online baby for 18 hours a day..... In an internet shop, the kid stayed at home.

I have met men who are online lady stalking fiends, but I know plenty of birds who are the female equiverlent. BKK's 'reletively' conservative culture in the past made online socialising a norm, for years in England you were a ******* freak if you met people online it showed you had no social skills and were a ******* retard. Then everyone realised how easy it made it to get laid and well... there you go. I think of people in Birmingham (where i was born) would still think there is something wrong with you if you said you met your romantic partner online.

[grezzzy_greer]

Foreigner deported from China for stalking on the internet

A New Zealand national.........

Sounds like this arsehole got away with less punishment than he deserved... that sort of activity SHOULD result in prison time - it does in the real world, and obviously this nutbag couldn't separate the two...

[English_Bob]

I've not really had any problems with girls online that wouldn't have occurred had I met them offline.

Some people are just a bit weird.

There were a few girls who wanted to play games eg send me messages, but not tell me their names or who they were. Pretend they knew me but refuse to explain how.

But I find the 'block' button is an easy and effective tool.... I'm never that curious that I want to play silly games to find out their identities.

I did have a bit of stalking fun with a member of UDD online... He started insulting me after I posted anti-red stuff on their site - called me '******* stupid' and 'ignorant' and 'a coward' from behind his computer keyboard.

Then someone who knew him gave me all his personal details... I started answering him revealing little bits of information in subsequent messages - city of birth, job, current address and later a physical description.

He started freaking out and getting paranoid. Then I started writing using the pronoun 'we'.... eg "WE can arrange a personal visit." and "WE heard you were in Hong Kong last weekend."

Next thing he deleted his Facebook membership to UDD probably thinking the 'Brutal Military Junta' were coming to make him disappear.

Well... it was fun for me. And I doubt I'll get deported for it...

[breakofdawning]

EB --- Funny story! You might wanna do more of that!

[SoBeIt]

Indeed. Some people don't seperate online from reality. There ao are a few celebs here who live for this site.

I read about a Korean cople who let their baby stave to death while they played looking after an online baby for 18 hours a day..... In an internet shop, the kid stayed at home.

.

If that's true.. It's just sick!

At least they should get ADSL or mobile internet at home..

Seriously, some ppl just have no right to have babies...

[ludovichus]

Is it still stalking if you use someone elses name.............just thinking aloud here.

[Admin_2]

Is it still stalking if you use someone elses name.............just thinking aloud here.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a noise?

[kaunitz]

Should be happy to be only deported - some years in a Chinese prison would have been worse, mee guess....