iPhone 4 release date.

[Querida]

I couldn't careless for these iPhones and BBs anymore all I want is a boy toy! :roll:

Can we share? :winky:

Sure!

I dont have at the moment you got one to share with? :wink:

like its so hard to find one lol

Indeed it is!

[digitalcat]

HArd to find a good one. Poor selection, does not increase the chances even in availability galore.

[Stramash]

Top 10 iPhone 4 Bugs, Issues and Complaints

By Bob Bhatnagar - Published June 30th 2010 - 23:42

Cupertino, we have a problem. With over 1.7 million iPhones sold in just three days, Apple's production capacity is at its limits. With so much innovative technology packed into such a small device, there are bound to be some lemons. Many customers have received their iPhone 4 and have no issues, while others have hit the support forums and message boards to voice concerns.

Problems range from inconvenient to completely unfixable. The iPhone 4 comes with one free year of AppleCare, which means that one visit to the Genius Bar can help. With so many iPhones hot off the factory floor, its not guaranteed that even replacement hardware won't have issues of its own. Here's a list of the top 10 iPhone 4 bugs, issues and complaints to watch out for when you receive your shipment from Apple.

1. The antenna "death grip" is affecting reception quality. Apple has already acknowledged the issue, and advises users to avoid holding the lower left side of the iPhone 4 or purchase a case. Connecting the metal on both sides of the black line with your fingers could result in poor reception.

2. Yellow spots on the screen. The Apple Retina Display is brand new technology. Some have reported blurry yellow spots on the display. This could be a chemical used to bond the glass that hasn't fully dried before shipping. iPhone 4 owners have reported that in some cases the yellow spots disappear after a few days of normal use.

3. A green blob of discoloration in photos taken with the camera. Users have posted examples of photos taken with the iPhone 4 with a strange aura or circle of green color in the center. It's unclear what's causing the problem, however the issue should be covered by your warranty.

4. Excessive heat during operation. The rear glass panel of the iPhone 4 radiates heat away from the device. Some customers have speculated that due to reception issues the radio is working overtime and generating more heat than it should.

5. Battery life is below expectations. Reports of this problem are likely related to issue #1 and #4, since an overtaxed radio will use more juice. Software issues could also cause the battery to run down quickly if power management is not running optimally. The iPhone 4 has a larger battery than the 3GS, so users may also have unrealistic expectations.

6. Proximity sensor acting up. This little piece of hardware turns off the screen when the iPhone 4 is next to your ear, preventing the touch screen from registering input. Some users are complaining that the sensor doesn't always turn off the screen, resulting in accidental dialing, hang-ups and other surprises as the ear presses on-screen buttons. Some have explained that the proximity sensor works sometimes but not always.

7. Poor 3G data speeds. Although this could be a local issue with the AT&T network, some users have compared their 3G data speeds to a previous model iPhone and claim the iPhone 4 is slower. Others are impressed by the improvement in download speeds. Whether or not your iPhone 4 has this problem depends on many factors and could also be related to issue #1. Some iPhone 4 owners claim speeds are faster when they leave their device on the EDGE network.

8. Switched volume buttons. Not as widespread, this issue has been reported and involves the "+" and "-" buttons on the left side of the iPhone 4 being switched. Normally the "+" or increase volume button should be on the top, with the "-" button on the bottom. Sounds like someone at the factory wasn't paying attention!

9. The glass back is too fragile. There are unfortunate individuals who have already shattered the back of their iPhone 4. These events have even happened while the device was cloaked in an Apple iPhone 4 Bumper case. Apple claims the glass used in its latest smartphone is super strong. This may be true, but when glass is strengthened it also becomes more prone to shattering due to tension inside the glass sheet.

10. Where is the white iPhone 4? No word on when the white version will be available. It's currently not available for pre-order or in stores. Apple watchers assumed that based on the launch announcement both colors would be available at the same time. Apple has made no comment on the matter.

http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97979

the condensed version;

it's ****.

[SweetieBabie]

http://vimeo.com/13612648

iPhone 2G/3G/3GS/4 Speed Comparison side by side.

[CiaranM]

Top 10 iPhone 4 Bugs, Issues and Complaints

By Bob Bhatnagar - Published June 30th 2010 - 23:42

Cupertino, we have a problem. With over 1.7 million iPhones sold in just three days, Apple's production capacity is at its limits. With so much innovative technology packed into such a small device, there are bound to be some lemons. Many customers have received their iPhone 4 and have no issues, while others have hit the support forums and message boards to voice concerns.

Problems range from inconvenient to completely unfixable. The iPhone 4 comes with one free year of AppleCare, which means that one visit to the Genius Bar can help. With so many iPhones hot off the factory floor, its not guaranteed that even replacement hardware won't have issues of its own. Here's a list of the top 10 iPhone 4 bugs, issues and complaints to watch out for when you receive your shipment from Apple.

1. The antenna "death grip" is affecting reception quality. Apple has already acknowledged the issue, and advises users to avoid holding the lower left side of the iPhone 4 or purchase a case. Connecting the metal on both sides of the black line with your fingers could result in poor reception.

2. Yellow spots on the screen. The Apple Retina Display is brand new technology. Some have reported blurry yellow spots on the display. This could be a chemical used to bond the glass that hasn't fully dried before shipping. iPhone 4 owners have reported that in some cases the yellow spots disappear after a few days of normal use.

3. A green blob of discoloration in photos taken with the camera. Users have posted examples of photos taken with the iPhone 4 with a strange aura or circle of green color in the center. It's unclear what's causing the problem, however the issue should be covered by your warranty.

4. Excessive heat during operation. The rear glass panel of the iPhone 4 radiates heat away from the device. Some customers have speculated that due to reception issues the radio is working overtime and generating more heat than it should.

5. Battery life is below expectations. Reports of this problem are likely related to issue #1 and #4, since an overtaxed radio will use more juice. Software issues could also cause the battery to run down quickly if power management is not running optimally. The iPhone 4 has a larger battery than the 3GS, so users may also have unrealistic expectations.

6. Proximity sensor acting up. This little piece of hardware turns off the screen when the iPhone 4 is next to your ear, preventing the touch screen from registering input. Some users are complaining that the sensor doesn't always turn off the screen, resulting in accidental dialing, hang-ups and other surprises as the ear presses on-screen buttons. Some have explained that the proximity sensor works sometimes but not always.

7. Poor 3G data speeds. Although this could be a local issue with the AT&T network, some users have compared their 3G data speeds to a previous model iPhone and claim the iPhone 4 is slower. Others are impressed by the improvement in download speeds. Whether or not your iPhone 4 has this problem depends on many factors and could also be related to issue #1. Some iPhone 4 owners claim speeds are faster when they leave their device on the EDGE network.

8. Switched volume buttons. Not as widespread, this issue has been reported and involves the "+" and "-" buttons on the left side of the iPhone 4 being switched. Normally the "+" or increase volume button should be on the top, with the "-" button on the bottom. Sounds like someone at the factory wasn't paying attention!

9. The glass back is too fragile. There are unfortunate individuals who have already shattered the back of their iPhone 4. These events have even happened while the device was cloaked in an Apple iPhone 4 Bumper case. Apple claims the glass used in its latest smartphone is super strong. This may be true, but when glass is strengthened it also becomes more prone to shattering due to tension inside the glass sheet.

10. Where is the white iPhone 4? No word on when the white version will be available. It's currently not available for pre-order or in stores. Apple watchers assumed that based on the launch announcement both colors would be available at the same time. Apple has made no comment on the matter.

http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97979

the condensed version;

it's sh*t.

it's expensive, popular **** !!!!

[Bruce551]

iPhone 2G/3G/3GS/4 Speed Comparison side by side.

3GS looking good

iPhone app for the Copenhagen Wheel, spiffy

I guess if you want a "spiffy" life iphone is cool.

Apple on chemicals & recycling, have to give some credit for making an effort to reduce pollution.

A Greener Apple

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/

Apple has been criticized by some environmental organizations for not being a leader in removing toxic chemicals from its new products, and for not aggressively or properly recycling its old products. Upon investigating Apple’s current practices and progress towards these goals, I was surprised to learn that in many cases Apple is ahead of, or will soon be ahead of, most of its competitors in these areas. Whatever other improvements we need to make, it is certainly clear that we have failed to communicate the things that we are doing well.

It is generally not Apple’s policy to trumpet our plans for the future; we tend to talk about the things we have just accomplished. Unfortunately this policy has left our customers, shareholders, employees and the industry in the dark about Apple’s desires and plans to become greener. Our stakeholders deserve and expect more from us, and they’re right to do so. They want us to be a leader in this area, just as we are in the other areas of our business. So today we’re changing our policy.

Now I’d like to tell you what we are doing to remove toxic chemicals from our new products, and to more aggressively recycle our old products.

Removing Toxic Chemicals

Lead

Many of the dangerous chemicals we all want to eliminate from electronic products are found in very small amounts, but there’s one toxic substance that some companies still ship by the pound, and that’s the lead contained in their cathode-ray tube (CRT) displays. A typical CRT contains approximately 3 pounds (1.36 kg) of lead. In mid-2006, Apple became the first company in the computer industry to completely eliminate CRTs. The effect has been stunning — our first CRT-based iMac contained 484 grams of lead; our current third-generation LCD-based iMac contains less than 1 gram of lead.

Apple completely eliminated the use of CRTs in mid-2006.

A note of comparison — Dell, Gateway, Hewlett Packard and Lenovo still ship CRT displays today.

Cadmium

Hexavalent Chromium

Decabromodiphenyl Ether

The European Union is generally ahead of the U.S. in restricting toxic substances in electronic products. Their latest restrictions, known as RoHS, went into effect in July 2006. All Apple products worldwide comply with RoHS. Our manufacturing policies had already restricted or banned most of the chemicals covered by RoHS, and Apple began introducing fully RoHS-compliant products a year before the European deadline.

Almost a year later, however, some electronics companies can only claim their products are RoHS compliant because of certain little-known exemptions granted by the EU. Despite the tough restrictions of RoHS, these exemptions let companies ship electronics that still contain high concentrations of two hazardous substances — hexavalent chromium, the carcinogen against which Erin Brockovich famously campaigned, and the brominated flame retardant decabromodiphenyl ether (DecaBDE), which is also feared to have adverse health effects. Apple phased out these and many other chemicals several years ago through design innovations and the use of higher quality metals and plastics.

Apple products met both the spirit and letter of the RoHS restrictions on cadmium, hexavalent chromium and brominated flame retardants years before RoHS went into effect.

A note of comparison — Some electronics companies, whose names you know, still rely on RoHS exemptions and use these toxic chemicals in their products today.

Arsenic

Mercury

Arsenic and mercury are industry standard materials used in liquid crystal displays (LCDs). Arsenic is added during the manufacturing of the high performance glass used in LCDs to prevent the formation of defects, and the fluorescent lamps used to illuminate LCDs contain minute amounts of mercury. Apple is on track to introduce our first displays using arsenic-free glass in 2007. A small number of high performance integrated circuits (ICs) will continue to contain a minute amount of arsenic as an element of the semiconductor substrate.

To eliminate mercury in our displays, we need to transition from fluorescent lamps to light-emitting diodes (LEDs) to illuminate the displays. Fortunately, all iPod displays already use LEDs for illumination, and therefore contain no mercury. We plan to introduce our first Macs with LED backlight technology in 2007. Our ability to completely eliminate fluorescent lamps in all of our displays depends on how fast the LCD industry can transition to LED backlighting for larger displays.

Apple plans to completely eliminate the use of arsenic in all of its displays by the end of 2008.

Apple plans to reduce and eventually eliminate the use of mercury by transitioning to LED backlighting for all displays when technically and economically feasible.

Polyvinyl Chloride

Brominated flame retardants

Some companies have made promises to phase out other toxic chemicals like polyvinyl chloride (PVC), a type of plastic primarily used in the construction industry but also found in computer parts and cables, and brominated flame retardants, or BFRs, which reduce the risk of fire. Apple began phasing out PVC twelve years ago and began restricting BFRs in 2001. For the past several years, we have been developing alternative materials that can replace these chemicals without compromising the safety or quality of our products. Today, we’ve successfully eliminated the largest applications of PVC and BFRs in our products, and we’re close to eliminating these chemicals altogether. For example, more than three million iPods have already shipped with a BFR-free laminate on their logic boards.

Dell and Lenovo have publicly stated that they plan to eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in their products in 2009. Hewlett Packard has not yet publicly stated when they will eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in their products, but has said that they will publish a plan by the end of 2007 which will state when in the future they will eliminate the use of these toxic chemicals in their products.

Apple plans to completely eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in its products by the end of 2008.

A note of comparison — In 2007 HP stated that they will remove PVC from all their packaging. Apple did this 12 years ago. Last year, Dell began the process of phasing out large quantities of brominated flame retardants in large plastic enclosure parts. Apple’s plastic enclosure parts have been bromine-free since 2002.

In one environmental group’s recent scorecard, Dell, HP and Lenovo all scored higher than Apple because of their plans (or “plans for releasing plans†in the case of HP). In reality, Apple is ahead of all of these companies in eliminating toxic chemicals from its products.

Recycling Our Products (E-Waste)

Apple started recycling in 1994 and today we operate recycling programs in countries where more than 82% of all Macs and iPods are sold. By the end of this year, that figure will increase to 93%. How successful are these programs?

Currently, there is no industry standard way to measure the effectiveness of a company’s recycling programs. Dell has proposed a simple measure - assume a seven year product lifetime, and measure the percentage of the total weight you recycle each year compared to the total weight of what you sold seven years earlier. This makes sense to us, and has the added advantages of clarity and simplicity.

Apple recycled 13 million pounds of e-waste in 2006, which is equal to 9.5% of the weight of all products Apple sold seven years earlier. We expect this percentage to grow to 13% in 2007, and to 20% in 2008. By 2010, we forecast recycling 19 million pounds of e-waste per year — nearly 30% of the product weight we sold seven years earlier.

Weight Recycled as % of Past Sales

Chart shows an upward trend starting with 1.5% in 2002, up to an actual 9.5% in 2006, and an estimated 28% in 2010.

A note of comparison — the latest figures from HP and Dell are each around 10% per year, and neither company has yet disclosed plans to grow this percentage in the future. By 2010, Apple may be recycling significantly more than either Dell or HP as a percentage of past sales weight.

All the e-waste we collect in North America is processed in the U.S., and nothing is shipped overseas for disposal. We carefully review “environmental fate†submissions from each vendor, so we know how raw materials are handled at the end of the recycling process. We hold our recycling vendors to the highest environmental standards in the industry. In addition to annual compliance audits, we also review the performance of their downstream vendors. They must comply with all applicable health and safety laws, and we do not allow the use of prison labor at any stage of the recycling process.

Producers must also take responsibility for the design and material choices that create the product in the first place. It is these choices that fundamentally determine the weight and recycling value of material waste at the end of a product’s life. The iMac is a world-class example of material efficiency, having shed 60% of its weight since its debut in 1998. Our designs use aircraft-grade aluminum, stainless steel and high-grade plastics that are in high demand from recyclers, who recover and resell these raw materials for use in other types of products. Few of our competitors do the same.

Let me take a moment to talk specifically about iPods, even though they are included in the above data. All of Apple’s U.S. retail stores, which now number more than 150, take back unwanted iPods for environmentally friendly disposal free of charge. As an incentive, we even offer customers a 10% discount on a new iPod when they bring their old iPod to our stores for proper disposal. This summer we’re expanding it to Apple retail stores worldwide, and we’re also extending it to include free shipping from anywhere in the U.S. No product purchases are required for any of our free take back programs. In a few months, we think we’ll have ‘best of breed’ iPod recycling programs in the U.S., and we plan to continue to expand our free iPod recycling programs globally in the future.

By 2010, Apple may be recycling significantly more than either Dell or HP as a percentage of past sales weight.

All the e-waste we collect in North America is processed in the U.S., and nothing is shipped overseas for disposal.

Apple products are designed using high quality materials that are in high demand from recyclers.

The Future

Today is the first time we have openly discussed our plans to become a greener Apple. It will not be the last. We will be providing updates of our efforts and accomplishments at least annually, most likely around this time of the year. And we plan to bring other environmental issues to the table as well, such as the energy efficiency of the products in our industry. We are also beginning to explore the overall carbon “footprint†of our products, and may have some interesting data and issues to share later this year.

I hope you are as delighted as I was when I first learned how far along Apple actually is in removing toxic chemicals from its products and recycling its older products. We apologize for leaving you in the dark for this long. Apple is already a leader in innovation and engineering, and we are applying these same talents to become an environmental leader. Based on our tangible actions and results over time, hopefully our customers, employees, shareholders and professional colleagues will all feel proud of our ongoing efforts to become a greener Apple.

Steve Jobs

[Wicked]

a green apple looks good

[SweetieBabie]

The official launch of Iphone4 in Thailand is on Thursday September 23th at midnight, competing between Dtac, True & AIS.

[Crustyjuggler]

The official launch of Iphone4 in Thailand is on Thursday September 24th at midnight, competing between Dtac, True & AIS.

I've just been playing with a friends new B10,000 ipod touch and can't get over the fact the phone part is a miserable 18000 extra

The new touch is bloody awesome and a bargain for the technology but i think the phone is over priced.

[admin]

The official launch of Iphone4 in Thailand is on Thursday September 24th at midnight, competing between Dtac, True & AIS.

I've just been playing with a friends new B10,000 ipod touch and can't get over the fact the phone part is a miserable 18000 extra

The new touch is bloody awesome and a bargain for the technology but i think the phone is over priced.

10,000? Where did he buy it? Last I checked at MBK they were 20,000 minimum.

[Admin_2]

And the 4g network is coming to Thailand...when?

I think I'd be happy with a 3g phone

[SweetieBabie]

The official launch of Iphone4 in Thailand is on Thursday September 24th at midnight, competing between Dtac, True & AIS.

I've just been playing with a friends new B10,000 ipod touch and can't get over the fact the phone part is a miserable 18000 extra

The new touch is bloody awesome and a bargain for the technology but i think the phone is over priced.

10,000? Where did he buy it? Last I checked at MBK they were 20,000 minimum.

Ipod touch sold out like hot cake on the first day, along with their other ipod lines. Best bet is to order from apple online store shipping from s'pore. the new iPhone4 needs advance booking.

[Bruce551]

And the 4g network is coming to Thailand...when?

I think I'd be happy with a 3g phone

Cancel all technology - CAT

Published: 22/09/2010 at 12:00 AM

Newspaper section: Database

Oh, come on, who wants that icky 3G mobile phone service anyhow, right?; it's so simple, even Cambodians and Laotians can do it, where's the challenge?; and anyway, your CAT Telecom and your ToT won't survive if they have to go out and get actual jobs, instead of renting out their concessions to the private sector; all in all, no 3G is the natural way of things, and everyone will be much better off using their time constructively instead of looking at that Internet thingamy on their phone, right? Right?

5555!!!

[Crustyjuggler]

The official launch of Iphone4 in Thailand is on Thursday September 24th at midnight, competing between Dtac, True & AIS.

I've just been playing with a friends new B10,000 ipod touch and can't get over the fact the phone part is a miserable 18000 extra

The new touch is bloody awesome and a bargain for the technology but i think the phone is over priced.

10,000? Where did he buy it? Last I checked at MBK they were 20,000 minimum.

MBK.. Pfft, you're so Thai lately Bill

[Admin_2]

True is still planning on releasing the iPhone 4 next month, yet the 3g network is still being delayed...The NTC is now being moved out of the way for a new time/money wasting committee called the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC). This committee should be set up by next year to give a ruling about the 3g auction...WTF?!!

Oh, Thailand.

"3G auction cancelled after court upholds injunction

Published: 23/09/2010 at 05:27 PM

Online news: Telecommunications

The Supreme Administrative Court on Thursday upheld the Central Administrative Court's injunction freezing the auction of 3G licences by the National Telecommunications Commission (NTC).

The court ruled that allowing the auction to proceed before the legal issues were settled could damage the country.

The NTC originally planned to hold the 3G auction on Monday this week, but the auction was put on hold when the Central Administrative Court issued a temporary injunction against it at the request of CAT Telecom, which said the NTC has no authority to grant 3G licences under the current constitution.

The NTC appealed to the Supreme Administrative Court, which on Thursday upheld the injunction.

NTC commissioner Natee Sukonrat said after the ruling that the commission accepted the court's decision and was now cancelling the auction of 3G licences. The commision had planned to proceed within the next couple of days if the injunction was overturned.

He apologised to the Thai people for not being able to kick-start the country into the era of third-generation wireless communications.

The NTC will set up a committee to assess the damage incurred from the aborted auction and take remedial action as necessary, Col Natee said.

"All NTC members would like to thank all who have been involved in preparing the 3G auction and apologise to the Thai people for not being able to establish a 3G network in Thailand.

"However, the NTC will continue to perform its duties to develop the telecommunications system in Thailand," Col Natee said.

Information and Communication Technology Minister Juti Krairiksh said the Frequency Allocation Bill which governs the establishment of the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC) is expected to be passed into law before the end of this year. The process of selecting NBTC members would begin early next year.

NBTC will replace the NTC, which is not authorised to allocate frequencies under the 2007 constitution.

The bill was passed by the House in May, but was then extensively amended by the Senate, which then returned it to the House.

Mr Juti expected a joint committee of the two houses of parliament to be set up on Sept 29 to consider the amended bill.

The joint committee would likely take about two weeks to go through the bill before returning it to the House of Representatives for a final decision, he said.

The ICT minister said the Constitution Court would also be asked to rule whether the NTC has the authority to issue 3G licences, pending the formation of the NTBC.

At the same time, steps would be taken to explore ways of installing the 3G system as soon as possible.

"It is necessary for us to clear all doubts - to ensure investors' confidence," Mr Juti said.

The court outlined three reasons for calling off the auction.

First, the NTC called bids for 3G licences even though a joint committee drawing up a masterplan for allocation and administration of frequencies had not been set up as required by Article 51 of the National Telecommunications Communication Act of 2000.

If the auction were allowed to proceed, many other legal problems were likely to follow.

Second, the court's order calling off the auction would not cause much damage to the three bidders.

Third, although the order may delay development of 3G technology for about four years, it would not disrupt the administration and public services of the state.

CAT Telecom, which stands to lose financially if the licences are issued to the private sector bidders, took the case to the Central Administrative Court. It argued that authority to distribute 3G licences rests with the NBTC, which will supercede the NTC but had not been set up.

Stocks of telecommunications companies dropped following this morning's ruling.

Advanced Info Service Pcl (ADVANC TB), the country'ss biggest mobile phone company, dropped 1.1 percent to 90.75 baht. Total Access Communication Pcl (DTAC TB), the second-biggest mobile phone company, fell 1.3 percent to 39.25 baht. True Corp. (TRUE TB) slid 17 percent to 4.1 baht, a two-month low."

http://bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/197872/court-upholds-injunction-freezing-3g-bidding

[SweetieBabie]

The first day @ ais iphone4 unveil event.

*invitation only

**thanks http://www.facebook.com/AISiPhone for pics

[Admin_2]

lol...the first pic should have an asterisk next to "powerful network*" sign.

*coming within a few years

[Crustyjuggler]

Hang on, where is all the poverty everyone keeps screaming about?

[beej]

I'm happy with the old 2G 3G ones to be honest, and don't plan to upgrade till they sort their retarded 3G auction out.

**** True.

[Crustyjuggler]

I'm happy with the old 2G 3G ones to be honest, and don't plan to upgrade till they sort their retarded 3G auction out.

f*ck True.

Your True hatred is legendary... I've already given up my gold UBC package.. 30 ******* quid for for the shitiest picture i've ever seen and only in stereo!!! It was like watching TV in the 70s.

[beej]

I'm happy with the old 2G 3G ones to be honest, and don't plan to upgrade till they sort their retarded 3G auction out.

f*ck True.

Your True hatred is legendary... I've already given up my gold UBC package.. 30 f*cking quid for for the shitiest picture i've ever seen and only in stereo!!! It was like watching TV in the 70s.

Unless you watch football or any kind of sport UBC is TOTALLY useless.

We got hooked up with a quality dodgy satellite the other day, and its happy days here.

[SweetieBabie]

TRUE iphone4 unleash event @ siam paragon same day as AIS

*thanks http://www.facebook.com/TrueMove3G for pics.

[beej]

******* plebs

Anyone see Si in there?

[LakeGeneve]

I'm happy with the old 2G 3G ones to be honest, and don't plan to upgrade till they sort their retarded 3G auction out.

f*ck True.

Your True hatred is legendary... I've already given up my gold UBC package.. 30 f*cking quid for for the shitiest picture i've ever seen and only in stereo!!! It was like watching TV in the 70s.

Unless you watch football or any kind of sport UBC is TOTALLY useless.

We got hooked up with a quality dodgy satellite the other day, and its happy days here.

Give me a dodgy sling box any day over (un) True visions!

[Karnie]

3G auction failed! Welcome to Thailand!