pandorea Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 As a Thai I often find myself struggle with English both in writing and speaking. Bad choice of words, poor grammatical and all. I think we need some TFers English experts to help us out. If you have problems with English, post them here.. Some experts wil help you out (hopefully) A simple mistake I often make is when to use "..and I" or "...and me.". Anyone care to help me out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKYWARRIOR Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Its always easy to correct spelling and grammar, but so difficult to teach its correct use. Good luck with your request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 As a Thai I often find myself struggle with English both in writing and speaking. Bad choice of words, poor grammatical and all. I think we need some TFers English experts to help us out. If you have problems with English, post them here.. Some experts wil help you out (hopefully) A simple mistake I often make is when to use "..and I" or "...and me.". Anyone care to help me out? Use 'I' when it's the subject. Use 'me' when it's the object. So "Michael and I went out." Because two people did the action, they are both the subject. But "My father loved Michael and me." In this sentence 'my father' is the subject and he loved two objects (Michael and the speaker). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangFarang Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Use 'I' when it's the subject.Use 'me' when it's the object. So "Michael and I went out." Because two people did the action, they are both the subject. But "My father loved Michael and me." In this sentence 'my father' is the subject and he loved two objects (Michael and the speaker). If I was a non-native English speaker I wouldn't get too upset about misusing this one because a lot of native speakers don't use "I" and "me" properly either. I think 50% would get "Michael and I went out" as well as "My father loved Michael and me" wrong if you gave a test on the streets of London or NYC. We all know there's a rule but we forget what it is and go with whichever one seems to sound right :-) Of course, if you are saying things like "Me go to store," you might want to work on things :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I'm usually pretty good with grammar. Occasionally I make mistakes through laziness or carelessness. As far as correcting 2nd language speakers is concerned, I only correct them when the meaning is unclear or wrong, or when the mistake makes them sound stupid. eg 'I am boring.' There's a girl I hang out with who told me to correct her all the time. But we'd never get through a conversation! 99% of the time she is totally clear and easy to understand, there's nothing to gain from finding every mistake she makes. Kusuma, Neung, Nicky, Karnie and AAAum are all examples of people who use English well, where their meaning is almost always clear. Tonia is not just very clear, but uses the subtleties of the language brilliantly - some of her comments display perfect comic timing and if I didn't know better, I'd think a native speaker wrote them. I'll answer their questions about their use of the English language, but I won't correct them in a forum discussion unless I don't understand the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangFarang Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Kusuma, Neung, Nicky, Karnie and AAAum are all examples of people who use English well, where their meaning is almost always clear. Tonia is not just very clear, but uses the subtleties of the language brilliantly - some of her comments display perfect comic timing and if I didn't know better, I'd think a native speaker wrote them. I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted August 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Yes, I agree Tonia is every good in English. Living in Denmark don't help me improve my English and the contrary my English is getting worse everyday. Oh, and thanks EB for putting me out of my misery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Yes, I agree Tonia is every good in English. Is that a typo? Or do you want me to correct it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Could also add BreakofDawning to that list. I haven't heard her speak but she rights really well. Better than Danno anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Could also add BreakofDawning to that list. I haven't heard her speak but she rights really well. Better than Danno anyway. For the non-native speakers, this is how we spell 'writes' when we are hungover and not paying attention! Or it maybe a clever double joke about how bad Danno is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Ugh, what a rookie typo. It's been a long weak. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 As far as correcting 2nd language speakers is concerned, I only correct them when the meaning is unclear or wrong, or when the mistake makes them sound stupid. eg 'I am boring.' what's the mistake there ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Is that a typo? Or do you want me to correct it? a typo sweetheart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 eg 'I am boring.' what's the mistake there ???? It can be both "boring" or "bored". Depends on who say it. If you say it... it would be "I'm fcuking bored./)=#. You shut the f...k up" and some people with low self-esteem might say "I am boring". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 It can be both "boring" or "bored". Depends on who say it. If you say it... it would be "I'm fcuking bored./)=#. You shut the f...k up" and some people with low self-esteem might say "I am boring". some ppl i have to listen .... are ******* boring !!! that's why i couldn't see the mistake !!! well actually i knew what Dave was getting at .... but i'm bored at work and was trying to get things going on TF !!! it's been ******* really quiet here recently !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Use 'I' when it's the subject.Use 'me' when it's the object. So "Michael and I went out." Because two people did the action, they are both the subject. But "My father loved Michael and me." In this sentence 'my father' is the subject and he loved two objects (Michael and the speaker). This is a Teacher's skill (of Dave), is to easy understandable explain. I have asked sister teach me how to drive a car, she said 'mai roo, just try to control it and dont let it control you' that didnt help me at all but when i asked her hubby ( bro-in-law ) who is a teacher, he taught me step by step, how to look at the car's left, right, rear mirrors, how to keep the car in lane...etc. sorry, off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 it's been ******* really quiet here recently !!!!! Agree.. last night I login there were 3 members online... I'm shocked! Let's make some noise then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky_house Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 what's the mistake there ???? What's the mistake there? Start a sentence with a capital letter. Only need to use one question mark. No space between last word and question mark. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querida Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 what's the mistake there ???? What's the mistake there?Start a sentence with a capital letter. Only need to use one question mark. No space between last word and question mark. :-) He needs to be corrected of overused of F word and punctuation marks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 This is a Teacher's skill (of Dave), is to easy understandable explain.I have asked sister teach me how to drive a car, she said 'mai roo, just try to control it and dont let it control you' that didnt help me at all but when i asked her hubby ( bro-in-law ) who is a teacher, he taught me step by step, how to look at the car's left, right, rear mirrors, how to keep the car in lane...etc. sorry, off topic Kus ..... i didn't know ur bro-in-law was a farang !!! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 He needs to be corrected of overused of F word and punctuation marks! too ******* right !!??::;;;""" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 some ppl i have to listen .... are ******* boring !!! that's why i couldn't see the mistake !!!well actually i knew what Dave was getting at .... but i'm bored at work and was trying to get things going on TF !!! it's been ******* really quiet here recently !!!!! What's the mistake there? Where do I start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Kus ..... i didn't know ur bro-in-law was a farang !!! ;-) No, he IS thai and its translated version already (sigh).., but I have one farang bro-in-law who does not know even how to get in my car (but london's tubes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 They all have the "oo," but why do book, foot, and look sound the same as good, hood and wood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 They all have the "oo," but why do book, foot, and look sound the same as good, hood and wood? Because book, foot and look are derived from Latin, while good, hood and wood are derived from Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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