CocoaBrotha Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Hey, anyone going to the 50 Cent/ Fort minor concert? Just curious? to know as I will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narmada Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 with the exception of one or two talented individuals, almost all pop music is mindless annoying shite. I couldn't agree more. The stuff one hears on MTV or on the radio is more often than not the aural equivalent of a McDonald's burger - complete crap, just produced to be bought on a whim, enjoyed for a short while, and swiftly forgotten. Yet, there are still plenty of extremely talented musicians and bands around, but often they don't get the exposure they deserve. Maybe it's because their music takes a bit of a brain to listen to. Think of people like Van Morrison, Paul Weller and Elvis Costello, just to name a few, or bands like the Manic Street Preachers or - one of my recent favourites - Mando Diao. Then you have incredible genius guitar players, like Joe Bonamassa, a blues-rock guy, who hardly anyone has heard of. I dare say there's some brilliant music out there, but it does take a bit of digging to find it. I doubt, though, that there are many musical geniuses in the field of hip-hop. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narmada Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Your favourite bands suck. Any alternative, constructive suggestions? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted January 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 with the exception of one or two talented individuals, almost all pop music is mindless annoying shite. I couldn't agree more. The stuff one hears on MTV or on the radio is more often than not the aural equivalent of a McDonald's burger - complete crap, just produced to be bought on a whim, enjoyed for a short while, and swiftly forgotten. Yet, there are still plenty of extremely talented musicians and bands around, but often they don't get the exposure they deserve. Maybe it's because their music takes a bit of a brain to listen to. Think of people like Van Morrison, Paul Weller and Elvis Costello, just to name a few, or bands like the Manic Street Preachers or - one of my recent favourites - Mando Diao. Then you have incredible genius guitar players, like Joe Bonamassa, a blues-rock guy, who hardly anyone has heard of. I dare say there's some brilliant music out there, but it does take a bit of digging to find it. I doubt, though, that there are many musical geniuses in the field of hip-hop. :roll: Wrong thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 with the exception of one or two talented individuals, almost all pop music is mindless annoying shite. I couldn't agree more. The stuff one hears on MTV or on the radio is more often than not the aural equivalent of a McDonald's burger - complete crap, just produced to be bought on a whim, enjoyed for a short while, and swiftly forgotten. Yet, there are still plenty of extremely talented musicians and bands around, but often they don't get the exposure they deserve. Maybe it's because their music takes a bit of a brain to listen to. Think of people like Van Morrison, Paul Weller and Elvis Costello, just to name a few, or bands like the Manic Street Preachers or - one of my recent favourites - Mando Diao. Then you have incredible genius guitar players, like Joe Bonamassa, a blues-rock guy, who hardly anyone has heard of. I dare say there's some brilliant music out there, but it does take a bit of digging to find it. I doubt, though, that there are many musical geniuses in the field of hip-hop. :roll: i dare say there's some brilliiant hip hop out there, but it does take a bit of digging to find it. i doubt, though, that any of the acts you mentioned would be considered compared to jazz musicians like eric dolphy or avant garde composers like iannis xenakis, so you're setting the bar pretty low. you're still talking about pop music and it really amounts to you prefer one genre over another. personally i detest any music that is remotely celtic, but if i list off 'geniuses' of hip-hop like mos def, digital underground, public enemy, etc and then say "i doubt, though, that there are many musical geniuses in the field of celtic-influenced pop. :roll:" my statement would be just as valid as yours--which is not very. parts-per-million wise, if you accept on faith that the acts you mention are 'geniuses' then there are as many per capita in hip-hop. if you approach with an open mind you might find you like some of it, you might not. people's taste in music is rarely driven purely by "appreciation of genius" that would get kinda dry wouldnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 No difference, really. But not all hip hop music had Rappers though. (instrumental, turntablism etc) and why we call them differently??? 'rap' is the vocals in hip-hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilguyy72 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 See...most people here don't even know the difference between Rap/Hip-Hop! I will try to explain it... but I don't think I'm capable.. one just KNOWS these things and to be honest it is a matter of opinion which persons are Hip-Hop vs Rap performers. Although there are a few exceptions, some artist are just plain Hip-Hop/Rappers and always will be. Hip-Hop is a lifestyle..everything you do revolves around beats, rhymes and style and being better than all others at whatever it is you do in the genre they could care less about money generated from their artform they're simply as we call it "out for the fame"...extremely competitive. In Hip-Hop the person with the mic is an MC... not a rapper..an MC. An MC can spit ill rhymes off the top of their head with no rehearsal..it seems like they wrote and rehearsed it cause it just flows out of them it is so good; but in actuality they're just talented. This is the MAJOR difference from an MC and a Rap artist. Most Rappers simply write something down and rehearse it until it's perfected and have no real spontaneous skills..not that MC's don't do this when making studio songs( and if they do usually the flow is soo ridiculously bannanas). MC'c generally have some kind of point to their rhymes also, wether it be some ol conceited BS, a personal diss or just something about life in general, usually speaking directly to youth and/or ghetto personage (ie poor people). Most rappers simply copy whatever's trendy at the time..cars, money, women and getting high..like these things haven't always existed. Damn I have to go now...I'll finish up later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 See...most people here don't even know the difference between Rap/Hip-Hop! I will try to explain it... but I don't think I'm capable.. one just KNOWS these things and to be honest it is a matter of opinion which persons are Hip-Hop vs Rap performers. Although there are a few exceptions, some artist are just plain Hip-Hop/Rappers and always will be. Hip-Hop is a lifestyle..everything you do revolves around beats, rhymes and style and being better than all others at whatever it is you do in the genre they could care less about money generated from their artform they're simply as we call it "out for the fame"...extremely competitive. In Hip-Hop the person with the mic is an MC... not a rapper..an MC. An MC can spit ill rhymes off the top of their head with no rehearsal..it seems like they wrote and rehearsed it cause it just flows out of them it is so good; but in actuality they're just talented. This is the MAJOR difference from an MC and a Rap artist. Most Rappers simply write something down and rehearse it until it's perfected and have no real spontaneous skills..not that MC's don't do this when making studio songs( and if they do usually the flow is soo ridiculously bannanas). MC'c generally have some kind of point to their rhymes also, wether it be some ol conceited BS, a personal diss or just something about life in general, usually speaking directly to youth and/or ghetto personage (ie poor people). Most rappers simply copy whatever's trendy at the time..cars, money, women and getting high..like these things haven't always existed. Damn I have to go now...I'll finish up later... what he said. also it looks/sounds like your'e in the game so what you say counts twice. while i dont agree that it's so clear cut as that one thing i agree 100 percent, hip-hop is a lifestyle, an aesthetic and a subculture not just a style of music--poetry slams, dance, even painting can all be hip-hop. one thing i dont agree on--mc's that flow might be spontaneous but they *do* practice and spend time in the woodshed. not what they want you to beleive though, they like to maintain the illusion that it's just pure, effortless talent :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 With the internet and the ability to disseminate information worldwide, and with travel being as easy as it is, the hip hop culture is spreading quickly However, the socio-economic dynamics that spawned this culture, vary thoughout the world, so each area will have its own version of hip hop culture, embracing the elements that are best suited for its area. For example, Let's talk about Asian-hip-hop. Listening to the Asians do hip- hop is funny to me. I listened to a few preformers and it was.................... Aiiiight :roll: :? :roll: What I heard, however, nothing really blew me away. It sounded all recycled. If Asian hip-hop artists want to be heard, they need to drop a bomb on the hip hop world...something that will just catch everybody off guard and get people to notice...like Jay Z and Panjabi MC. I've been to a few clubs in Bangkok on the other hand and the DJ's were horrible. The music was old (6-12 months, with one or two more recent hits). sets were a mess (no flow) and mixes were not tight (beats were jumbled or train wrecked). Most dont even mix half the music! This one DJ(oh good god almighty!!!)He was playing premixed vinyl (numerous songs premixed on one record). The crowd was hyped for him. I just stood there with a blank expression on my face. So far, I have been to four clubs where DJs were spinning hip hop, and most of the DJ's were poor! For Asian Hip hop to be taken seriously, it needs to come original. Too much of it is imitation. Look at the fashion. Everybody is just imitation. If you want to be accepted as legit, you better come legit. Asian hip hop needs a style it can call its own. Pay your respect to the roots and tradition, but keep it progressing. The culture is about progression, not regression and stagnation! They can' t just sit around waiting to see what we are going to do next..what clothes they we'll wear, what slang we'lll use...They need to add their own element to hip hop...its time to come original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 See...most people here don't even know the difference between Rap/Hip-Hop! I will try to explain it... but I don't think I'm capable.. one just KNOWS these things and to be honest it is a matter of opinion which persons are Hip-Hop vs Rap performers. Although there are a few exceptions, some artist are just plain Hip-Hop/Rappers and always will be. Hip-Hop is a lifestyle..everything you do revolves around beats, rhymes and style and being better than all others at whatever it is you do in the genre they could care less about money generated from their artform they're simply as we call it "out for the fame"...extremely competitive. In Hip-Hop the person with the mic is an MC... not a rapper..an MC. An MC can spit ill rhymes off the top of their head with no rehearsal..it seems like they wrote and rehearsed it cause it just flows out of them it is so good; but in actuality they're just talented. This is the MAJOR difference from an MC and a Rap artist. Most Rappers simply write something down and rehearse it until it's perfected and have no real spontaneous skills..not that MC's don't do this when making studio songs( and if they do usually the flow is soo ridiculously bannanas). MC'c generally have some kind of point to their rhymes also, wether it be some ol conceited BS, a personal diss or just something about life in general, usually speaking directly to youth and/or ghetto personage (ie poor people). Most rappers simply copy whatever's trendy at the time..cars, money, women and getting high..like these things haven't always existed. Damn I have to go now...I'll finish up later... Well Said man!, Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 By the way...anyone know THE hottest spot in BKK for hip-hop?..asides from speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 By the way...anyone know THE hottest spot in BKK for hip-hop? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHA HAHA HA HA. hahahhahaha ha ha <titter> ahem. good one. <titter> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_George Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 People like Hip Hop for different reasons, when it should all be the same. Love for the music. I like everyone's views. This is a good thread because the 'cred' that comes with being associated with hip hop far outweighs the actual appeal of the songs people listen to, for some people. I am from the old school and i am a 'breaks' man. That's what I like. The beats and the rythms are, for me, the essence of Hip Hop. Please note my opinions are my own. These days people find hip hop more appealing for the image that it gives them rather than the actual musical appeal. Which is why some might say that the comtemporary hiphop does not have the 'soul' of early 90's hip hop, in my opinion. My favourite era would definately have to be the 90's, some of the greatest music was produced. Jurassic 5 brought back some of the true essence of hip hop and they are true artists. Here's my top ten, off the top of my head. 1.) Mob Deep - Shook ones 2.) Biggy - Juicy 3.) Craig Mack - Flava in ya ear 4.) Tribe called quest - check the rhyme 5.) KRS1 - Mc's act like they don't know 6.) KRS1- Step into a world 7.)Biggy - True players 8.)Handsome Boy Modelling school - The Truth 9.)Jurrasic 5 - Concrete and clay 10.)Eric b and Rakim - Paid in Full (Album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 By the way...anyone know THE hottest spot in BKK for hip-hop? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHA HAHA HA HA. hahahhahaha ha ha <titter> ahem. good one. <titter> *Crawls under a rock..........again!* Hey, it's been a whie ya'know?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanillaVodka Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I think Q Bar on Sunday night is not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted August 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I know this is going more back in the days but how about the obvious, Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer. And lets not forget Gerardo,(Jesus tap dancing Christ I hated him!!) Some of you may remember him back in the mid 90's for that song "Rico Suave" Truth is a lot of gangster rappers from the West Coast and a lot of these down south cats suck, and that is bad for me because I grew up here on the east coast and I have a seriousness for lyrical content, some of those cats sucked and the truth is the truth. Another is E-40. He ain't the greatest rapper in the game but at least dudes original. His flow is intentionally off key and dude makes up his own vernacular like no other.Plus he's been in the game mad long since like the early 90's and was part of that whole indy, sell your tapes out the back of the trunk bay area slang that has caught on nationwide. So dudes should respect him for his grind and originality. Don't get me wrong I ain't no 40 water fan but there are definitely worse rappers. "What I used to love about Hip-Hop was the realness, when I listened to Rakim I was magnetized. Nowadays someone can be garbage. Funkmaster Flex? he can play a song so much that sucks so much.. you'll like it!!. Nobody had to play 'I came in the door' ten times. As soon as you heard, 'Illmatic,' Kool G Rap 's 'Road to Riches,' 'The Chronic,' it was like OH ****. Today, I don't know what I love about Hip-Hop right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_George Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I came in the door, I said it before, I never let a taxi overprice me no more. Kick in the door waving the .44 all you heard was Georgey don't hit me no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 If your a hip-hop head like me, this speaks for itself!. Watch Busta perform "Touch It".... Off the fuckin hinges dude!! 8) (sorry the vid is a bit grainy) http://youtube.com/watch?v=P_pWNiZoJBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 If your a hip-hop head like me, this speaks for itself!. Watch Busta perform "Touch It".... Off the fuckin hinges dude!! 8) (sorry the vid is a bit grainy) http://youtube.com/watch?v=P_pWNiZoJBE Oh my, what a cast of featurings, even MJB is there...the cast of characters is totally crazy! thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdiddy Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I prefer cancer to hip hop in bkk. You're dead on when you say it's **** from 6-12 months ago totally trainwrecked. And it wasn't good to begin with. Alot of hip hop is garbage, but pop music always has been. I find much of the pop hip hop to be shallow, vapid, stupid, misogynistic, and perpetuating of racism. However, there are lots of artists such as atmosphere, brother ali, black star, gang star, people under the stairs, mos def, tupac, outkast, and some others that i consider to be fine musical acts. I wish these artists were more popular... and I wish they played in bkk more often..... i feel so bad for most thai ppl who think this garbage in the clubs i rap music..... but more sorry for myself. also, what in the **** is going on with all of these new rap songs? they have simple, stupid, slow beats. an 8 year old with a casio keyboard and a vocabulary of 15 words could come up with this garbage. The whole *******, money, cars, and smoking weed thing is kind of boring these days..................... oh well, i do my part by requesting tupac in every club i visit. i'm gonna start bringing my ipod.......... that'll go over well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPub Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Do you kbow " 2Pac mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPub Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'M Experimental Rocks/metal rocks/rocks, Hip hop for dance aerobics for me.one of mine family is Best Dj in bkk and i down load hip hops songs for him ..cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trower Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 I love old school... pre and post public enemy... But even later stuff such as the Wu Tan Clan... the less well known, 'Souls of Mischief'... and of course Notorious... are also firm favorites. I think that Tupac was a bit of a Cobain and even though he produced some excellent raps, it was his death that pushed him worldwide. I mean think of some of the people he has worked with. Reflected glory is a potent operator and marketer. Eminem was cool in the early days too... When he actually had something interesting to say... I went to a concert in England a few years ago... He performed 'Stan' in an outside gig... after the opening bars the clouds just opened up with rain and thunder... everyone was drenched and yet still swaying in the bowl at Milton Keynes... Most iconic opening to a song I have ever known... My favorite rappers at the momen...t if you could even class them in that category, are 'Goldie lookin Chain', but you can't find their stuff in Bangkok anywhere. Sista is an all time great... Brilliant for rap lovers with a sense of houmour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketPub Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 http:www.pinkpop.nl from 2000-2005 check it out.howmany bands i been on this bigest rocks concerts..cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocolateLady Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Music - is the way that huma apply and express 2 kinds of Business conern with music directly 1. Producer 2. Night Club or entertainment place Both of them make ''music'' grow in bad and good way. Depend on how hard of the competition and trend. No wonder why many pub keep play the same songs, or music is low quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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