accuframe Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Bangkok (dpa) - A mentally disturbed Muslim man was killed early Tuesday after he destroyed a much revered Brahman statue at the Erawan Shrine - one of Bangkok's most popular places of worship, police and eyewitnesses said. Thanakorn Pakdeepol, 27, was found dead in a pool of blood outside the shrine shortly after he attacked the sacred image at 1 a.m., police said. "I saw him climb over the fence and use a hammer to hit the statute," said Wandee Vichai, 42, a vendor who was one of the few eyewitnesses to the incident. "I started to scream and some trash collectors came out and chased after the man. When I caught up with them he was lying dead on the pavement," Wandee told Deutsche Presse-Agentur, dpa. Lumpinee Police Colonel Supisarn PakdeeNarunart said two suspects had been charted with murder in Thanakorn's slaying. The victim's father Saiyan Pakdeepol said his son had suffered from mental illness for several years and was nervous and depressed on Monday. He had a breakdown and ran out of the house at midnight. The government ordered a swift restoration. Deputy Prime Minister Surakiart Sathirathai said work should take about a month. Caretaker Prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra assigned the Culture and Interior ministries to coordinate work with the Thao Maha Brahma Foundation and the Erawan Hotel The Erawan Shine stands next to the Grand Hyatt Erawan Hotel in central Bangkok. The shrine was built in 1956, one year after the original government-owned Erawan Hotel was opened as one of the capital's first international class establishments. Rear Admiral Luang Suwichanphaet, a specialist in astrology, advised the hotel management to construct the shrine with the Thao Maha Brahma statue, also known as Phra Pom, on the corner of its property to ensure good fortune. The Erawan Hotel was bought by the Hyatt hotel group about 14 years ago. The shrine is a popular place for Buddhists and Hindus to ask favours, and is a tourist highlight, particularly visitors from Hong Kong and Singapore. "We're worried the destruction of Phra Pom will affect our business," said vendor Wandee. "There are more than 50 families that make their living off selling items of worship to people who come here." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_lung Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 What a shame! The Erawan Shrine is an important Bangkok landmark and serves both worshippers and tourists and an excellent venue to witness traditional Thai dancing absolutely free. I hope the statue can be successfully reconstructed. And to take a man's life for his thoughtless actions is equally wrong and that man's life can never be restored or reconstructed. Very troubling news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Scoop Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Wow!!!I heard about that early this morning all the way here in Baghdad. This is not a good week it seems. The whole scene is horrible. Defacing of a prestigious statue and the taking of ones life. What is this world coming to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I just heard it on the BBC. There are some things you just can't **** with!. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 ..well with the carnage going on down in the south,Bangkok is the natural target for Muslims to vent justified frustration.Shinawatra really ought resort to more diplomatic means to sort out the mess down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 What a shame! The Erawan Shrine is an important Bangkok landmark and serves both worshippers and tourists and an excellent venue to witness traditional Thai dancing absolutely free. I hope the statue can be successfully reconstructed. And to take a man's life for his thoughtless actions is equally wrong and that man's life can never be restored or reconstructed.Very troubling news. agree except for the part about 'equally wrong'... maybe i'm just an irreligious insensitive bastard (ok, yoou can kill the maybe) but i think the killing thing is a bit more wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 a life for a statue ... 1000 BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I personally think...If God exists ...he would be really sorry to see someone who has been beaten to death because of destroy the statue. God never feels sorry ... why should he? He created the mess ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 and I believe that it's not about revange ...or about muslims...nothing's related to muslims ... oic....so a Buddhist holy shrine was smashed up and that the perpetrator was a Muslim are pure coincidence?Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narmada Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 What he done is bad ....but has been beaten to death .....oooooow...it's too much Good to see there are very sensible Thais around (like the poster above). The statue has nothing at all to do with Buddhism, and I don't know what's more insane, destroying it, or killing the man who destroyed it. Screw it, a statue is just a heap of stones. I truly believe religion, or whatever people take for religion, is the bane of this planet. To hell with all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Screw it, a statue is just a heap of stones. if i'm not mistaken it is / was a heap of plaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I truly believe religion, or whatever people take for religion, is the bane of this planet. To hell with all of it. tell the muslims, catholics, buddhist, hindus, etc ... roughly 90% of the planet ... 5 billion people can't be wrong ... or can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joecy Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 this man didn`t damage a statue, but a religious symbol, and he activated an automatic featback, that nobody can control in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 ... he activated an automatic featback, that nobody can control in this situation. robots with malfunctioning software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narmada Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Screw it, a statue is just a heap of stones. if i'm not mistaken it is / was a heap of plaster. Yeah, right probably ... Anyhow, I can't help it, I consider worshipping objects of any kind extraordinarily primitive. Makes me wanna sing that old Trini Lopez song 'If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening ...'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolkinchance Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 What he done is bad ....but has been beaten to death .....oooooow...it's too much Well, if it was a reversed situation and he was a Buddhist who went to a revered Muslim site and destroyed it, he would be beaten or stoned to death for sure. Not an eye-for-an-eye or ***-for-tat approval of what happened, but surely we need a balanced view. Some utterly f*cked up people in this country. Question is, if he is mentally disturbed why isn't he in some kind of institution? Only a few months ago another 'depressed' person - a woman - stabbed kids in school. Also had a history of extreme mental problems. Maybe Thailand needs to review how it deals with the mentally sick!??!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I truly believe religion, or whatever people take for religion, is the bane of this planet. To hell with all of it. tell the muslims, catholics, buddhist, hindus, etc ... roughly 90% of the planet ... 5 billion people can't be wrong ... or can they? off course they can all be wrong !! and seeing as none of them agree with each other it's a bit stupid to lump them all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think its utterly disgraceful. I can understand people's anger at the destruction of the statue but if we're going to start beating people to death over statues, then I might as well take a club to every jerk that looks at me the wrong way or takes the last packet of creamer at Starbucks. Disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I truly believe religion, or whatever people take for religion, is the bane of this planet. To hell with all of it. tell the muslims, catholics, buddhist, hindus, etc ... roughly 90% of the planet ... 5 billion people can't be wrong ... or can they? ? if popularity is indicative of quality, truth or validity then the macarena is among the best music ever written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 ?if popularity is indicative of quality, truth or validity then the macarena is among the best music ever written. ... then, as a matter of fact, it is ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 ?if popularity is indicative of quality, truth or validity then the macarena is among the best music ever written. ... which, as a matter of fact, is ... if the macarena is great music, i look forward to the extinction of homo 'sapiens,' it'll be a blessing to the rest of the universe... sadly, our broken toys will stick around for a long time though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 From the point of view of totality the ?human race? doesn?t matter. Isolated on a planet they can?t do much wrong except killing themselves. But who cares? ?Sapiens? indicates that there is something to know. But 90 % of human kind hasn?t entered that phase yet. They don?t want to know anything. They are not interested in knowledge, not even the most basic one. Their world is ?explained? by bibles and Korans and How-to-manage-your-world books (Penguin edition)? They pray to their Gods, kill whoever worships other Gods, reproduce like rabbits and dance on the Macarena at wedding parties. And then you try to convince them that the world is not what it seems, that only knowledge and understanding of the real nature of the world brings you out of misery ? and they kill you for that. And why? Because understanding kills everything: your Gods, your silly world theories, your stupid romantic ideas about the world ? hahahaha ? everything. The evolution towards Homo sapiens is an uphill battle against beliefs and superstitious. For most people, this is just too scary ? let them dance the Macarena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 From the point of view of totality the ?human race? doesn?t matter. Isolated on a planet they can?t do much wrong except killing themselves. But who cares? ?Sapiens? indicates that there is something to know. But 90 % of human kind hasn?t entered that phase yet. They don?t want to know anything. They are not interested in knowledge, not even the most basic one. Their world is ?explained? by bibles and Korans and How-to-manage-your-world books (Penguin edition)? They pray to their Gods, kill whoever worships other Gods, reproduce like rabbits and dance on the Macarena at wedding parties. And then you try to convince them that the world is not what it seems, that only knowledge and understanding of the real nature of the world brings you out of misery ? and they kill you for that. And why? Because understanding kills everything: your Gods, your silly world theories, your stupid romantic ideas about the world ? hahahaha ? everything. The evolution towards Homo sapiens is an uphill battle against beliefs and superstitious. For most people, this is just too scary ? let them dance the Macarena. um.... nice speech, but "Homo sapiens" is just a name that a particularly vain species of hominid primate gave itself, and does not imply any actual wisdom. nor does it imply that evolution is working towards anything, let alone Homo sapiens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 ... but "Homo sapiens" is just a name that a particularly vain species of hominid primate gave itself, and does not imply any actual wisdom. nor does it imply that evolution is working towards anything, let alone Homo sapiens. granted correct analysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev2004 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Bangkok (dpa) - A mentally disturbed Muslim man was killed early Tuesday after he destroyed a much revered Brahman statue at the Erawan Shrine - one of Bangkok's most popular places of worship, police and eyewitnesses said. ..... ." Something to ponder on: How much reverence is put into un-living objects. Putting them above the living. I'm under the believe that one persons' life is much more valuable then any monument in this earth... yet many more people will be killed over objects of reverence. I can't imagine when some fool bombs Mecca (or any revered monument) for example, what horrid things would happen in this world. The essence of the ideal can never be smashed yet anger held that an ideal is attacked. No matter how badly damaged the object is, people hold it's true intangible (shapeless) form :-) With reverence i look upon a Buddha statue for ideals rather then the object: It is no object to worship, it is an art of an ideal. If it is smashed i am sad and hope it would be rebuilt but my ideal survives unaffected :-) The man was smashed with maddness for his madness. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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