Chatroom & Danger..

[Chatty]

just watched the news last night about the pakistani slayer...

It's so scary... so i copied this news from The Nation today

well, girls pls read... and be careful to meet guys that u met over the internet is dangerous... for my idea, for ur first date just meet the guys in public place ... not good idea to go straight to his place.... brrrrrrrrrr.. :?

From the nation

Wed, May 10, 2006

CHAT-ROOM TRAGEDY

Pakistani national held over brutal slaying of female teacher

A first encounter after chats on the Web leads to horrible murder; suspect said to have confessed during questioning

A tentative meeting with a new friend met through an Internet chat service, was apparently what led to English teacher Dissanee Thongnarkthae's murder.

Hua Mak Police on Monday night arrested a Pakistani man suspected of killing the Thai woman and dismembering her.

Maj-General Witthaya Kosiyasathit, chief of Metropolitan Police Division 4 who is supervising the case, quoted Mohammad Arif as saying he had killed the victim in a fit of rage after she was rude to him about using someone else's picture during the Internet chat, and lying about his nationality. According to Arif's confession, Dissanee had demanded that he pay for her air ticket home. "She turned angry when he refused to give her the money, an argument ensued, and the man killed her," said the officer quoting Arif's confession.

The officers said that Arif, now in police custody, initially protested his innocence, despite significant evidence found in his hotel room, including Dissanee's ID card and a large amount of blood.

Major Somphob Lekklang, an investigating officer from Hua Mak station, said Arif then gave conflicting information, by confessing to killing the victim, after joint questioning by Pakistani embassy staff and police investigators, then later retracting his account.

Forensic tests are underway to determine whether the blood found on the premises matches the deceased, whose head, arms and right leg were later found near a petrol station close to the Ratchadaphisek-Lat Phrao intersection. The victim's torso, cut into two halves, was found dumped off Soi Ramkhamhaeng 24 on Monday night.

Acting on a tip-off from a taxi driver, police obtained a search warrant and entered a room at Racha Palace Hotel on Soi Ratchadaphisek 14 where they found Arif, along with evidence including blood in the bathroom and on the carpet of the room, and women's shoes and clothing.

Other items found in the room included a butcher's knife and two chopping knives, a toy pistol and a travel bag with bar-coded tags attached that matched the barcodes on the two travel bags found containing the body parts.

Police said Arif had admitted that the items belonged to Dissanee, whom he claimed that he had sex with the night before, but that she had later disappeared. The police officer said that Arif said he had met Dissanee at an online chat site about a month ago, and that she had travelled to Bangkok on Sunday to meet him at a coffee shop. Police later escorted the suspect to his room at an apartment building in Soi Lat Phrao 23 where they found a pair of jeans soaked with blood.

The Criminal Court approved the arrest warrant and granted custodian authority to Hua Mak police after receiving the initial evidence report.

Witthaya said he believed the police had been lucky, because the unnamed taxi driver who had earlier collected Arif from the hotel, tuned into the Jor Sor 100 traffic radio shortly after the body parts were discovered.

[MikeAussieGuy]

its a sad story, but anyone that is still blind to the dangers of a chat room romance and continue to meet guys in private surroundings such as the guys home, cant expect sympathy if it all goes awry.

There have been literally thousands of postings, newspaper articles, TV and radio reports of the dangers of chat room romances and horrific stories.

Here in TF there have been dozens of postings from people publishing how she met someone in a chat room, fell in love, met him then got dumped when the hoidays were over. Just 2 days ago there was a posting of a similiar story. But these girls are the lucky ones, the girl in this topic was one of the many unfortunate ones.

WAKE UP!

[ttesta]

Now a days more and more not educated peoples have a access to cyber life...

?????

This is at least a very strange statement ...

[ttesta]

Killing each other is a typical human pursuit. Internet is just another way of bringing killer and victim together. I don't think that anything "new" has been added. Just another mechanism. At the end, one of the thousands of reasons why people kill each other has manifested once again ...

[ttesta]

We also know that education and social levels effect to crime is substantial.

Nonsense. "Education" does not prevent crinimal and unacceptable behaviour. I have spent 28 years of my life in environments where 90% of the people had PhD's and I can guarantee you that if a large part of them would get the opportunity, they would make a nice carreer in SS-like organistaions.

In many human minds, "education" just offer more opportunities to express primitive, egotistical and destructive behaviour.

[ttesta]

"Lance Lochner and Enrico Moretti, in their JCPR working paper, "The Effect of Education on Crime," estimate the causal effects of education on crime for men after they have completed school. They find that, on average, one additional year of school lowers the subsequent probability of incarceration for white men by 0.1 percentage points, and for black men by 0.37 percentage points. Declines hold true across all types of crime examined. The authors estimate that a 1% increase in male high school graduation rates would save the nation as much as $1.4 billion."

--> questions is not the opportunity - you have opportunities everywhere. It's questions about "step over the lines" to do crime. Scale always have 2 sites: how much you win and how much you loose.

The problem is not that you think this way, the problem is that it is generally accepted ... wait untill society collapses, you will even be surprised about yourself ...

[BillyZ]

I think that sites like tf.com, face-pic, faceparty, etc, should have warning notices prominently displayed on the front page to alert newbies to the dangers of meeting people from online. Just a flashy link (in English and Thai, in tf.com's case) directing people to an informative page would be good.

It could save lives and at the very least, it will help build awareness.

[MikeAussieGuy]

All this is very good but unfortunately I dont think it will get to the most vulnerable that these vulchers prey on.

But generally I believe it is the guys attitude to women, not the internet or a chat room or whatever. The internet is a tool used by these vulchers, just like alcohol, drugs even lies are used to seduce women in one form or another. Its just a means to achieve the end objective.

The attitude towards women here in Thailand can be taken as an example. Todays Bangkok Post and Nation report that Thai Airways flight attendants are sexually harassed more often than any other airline attendants. Politicians & VIP's, think because of their position they can sexually assault the attendants with immunity and in most cases they can because the attendants know if they report it they can lose their jobs, this being Thailand. Politicians have forced attendants into the toilet and raped them, can you believe this?? Low life pricks like this are the government of this country, only in Thailand.

[ttesta]

I think that sites like tf.com, face-pic, faceparty, etc, should have warning notices prominently displayed on the front page to alert newbies to the dangers of meeting people from online. Just a flashy link (in English and Thai, in tf.com's case) directing people to an informative page would be good.

It could save lives and at the very least, it will help build awareness.

don't you think this is over the top? Trillions of things can kill you, is it therefore necessary to get tagged everything with a "danger label"?

And why are people that stupid to believe anything people tell them on the Internet?

[MikeAussieGuy]

I think that sites like tf.com, face-pic, faceparty, etc, should have warning notices prominently displayed on the front page to alert newbies to the dangers of meeting people from online. Just a flashy link (in English and Thai, in tf.com's case) directing people to an informative page would be good.

It could save lives and at the very least, it will help build awareness.

don't you think this is over the top? Trillions of things can kill you, is it therefore necessary to get tagged everything with a "danger label"?

And why are people that stupid to believe anything people tell them on the Internet?

Agree.

[Sukhumvit_Farang]

It is possible for me to imagine somebody killing someone in a fit of rage. However, anybody who was capable of then dismembering the body was a killer in search of a victim, if you ask me. I find it difficult to even cut up a chicken. How could somebody cut up the body of another human being - especially someone they had sex with the night before?

That being said, the re-trial of that German guy just took place - the guy who advertised on the internet for someone to volunteer to be killed - and eaten! And, believe it or not, through the internet, this sick bastard was able to find a victim! One guy dreamed all his life of eating another human being - and another guy dreamed of being eaten - and it took the internet to bring them together.

[DanMorgan]

I think we have be careful who we trust online because online friends are really strangers. People online, no matter how long we have been talking to them or how friendly they are, may not be who they say they are. We should Keep our personal information secret when chatting online (name, address, telephone number, mobile number, private email address, picture). I think meeting someone you have only been in touch with online can be dangerous!! If you feel that you ?have to? meet, then for your own safety you must tell your family and take a friend with you ? at least on the first visit ? and meet in a public place in daytime.

[ttesta]

... but of cause a Pakistani man with his cultural back with their old fashion discriminating view on women might be more capable of commiting such a crime.

correct, but try to change his mind and it won't work. The point is, where does education change somebody's mind? That is a question I still haven't being able to answer. I am afraid that it doesn't. At least, my own experience isn't encouraging.

[ttesta]

If I follow your thoughts correct you are saying 90% of your intellectual community are criminals - how is this sounds? This sounds more or less nonsense.

No, I did not say that. But what I said was that an environment where 90% of the people are supposed to be intellectuals, is as much a rat-hole as any other organisation. That is my great frustration and dissapointment.

It made me think about the value of education, knowledge and intellectualism ... None of these traits are a guarantee that I could not commit a crime, become a criminal or just be an immoral bastard.

[ttesta]

That's why we need to secure our society and not let it collaps - we need to keep "step in to criminal limits" high to keep peace. Internet is connecting and make things easier.

well, that's exactly what is impossible. That's the drama. What brings a society down is not criminality in the traditional sense. What brings it down is the fact that certain behaviour which tends towards criminality becomes institutional: lying, cheating and deceiving, stealing, corrupting, using violence to settle conflicts, abuse of power, etc ... Whatever the level of education, no country is immune for it ...

No, you cannot convince me that education makes people more civilized .... but I could agree when you say that civilized people can be educated.

[ttesta]

No, you cannot convince me that education makes people more civilized .... but I could agree when you say that civilized people can be educated.

You can't be serious ! :shock: hahaa... unbelievable

wait and see ...

[Hazel]

And why are people that stupid to believe anything people tell them on the Internet?

It is a human psychology that is as old as time itself - that people have an innate need to love and be loved, and believe it or not, many, if not all, humans (men and women alike) still privately, consciously, subconsciously, unconsciously, believe in their That One out there, waiting one day to whisk them off to another life, in which they can live out the "and they live together happily forever"...

Sad, but true.

Maybe this explains why people are so addicted to Lakorns and weep so bitterly over the hero or heroine's tragic turns of events in the quest of love, crying so much as though the pains are their personal own. Or why Bollywood movies of the dashing hero and eternally pretty coconut-tree-dancing heroine always pack box-office. Or why farang men disillusioned in love back home continue to throng to the gates of Thailand (I assume equally disillusioned farang women would have done the same if it is equally socially acceptable for older females to date a local younger man!) .

[Hazel]

...And well, aren't we all guilty of it ourselves (in varying degrees), somehow and somewhere out there within ourselves, that part of ourselves we have long learnt how to camouflage from the rest of the world so that we will not be hurt again?

Food for thought, er?

[Hazel]

...Plus, people with evil intentions whom we befriend online simply take a shorter time to show their true colours than people we get to know from real life with similarly deplorable motives

[LakeGeneve]

How to be protect yourself from someone wanting to meet you, kill you and dismember your body;

1) Do not use your phone,

2) Do not write a letter to anyone,

3) Do not speak to anyone,

4) Do not use the internet,

5) Do not go out under any circumstances,

6) Do not breath.

Any criminologist will tell you that the majority of murders are committed by people known to the victim. A family member, intimate partner, friend or associate. People always overreact to the unique, sensationalist story. Yes, use common sense and basic precautions when meeting someone new but the reality is your friend or lover is much more likely to kill you.

[LakeGeneve]

its a sad story, but anyone that is still blind to the dangers of a chat room romance and continue to meet guys in private surroundings such as the guys home, cant expect sympathy if it all goes awry.

There have been literally thousands of postings, newspaper articles, TV and radio reports of the dangers of chat room romances and horrific stories.

Here in TF there have been dozens of postings from people publishing how she met someone in a chat room, fell in love, met him then got dumped when the hoidays were over. Just 2 days ago there was a posting of a similiar story. But these girls are the lucky ones, the girl in this topic was one of the many unfortunate ones.

WAKE UP!

Every woman in every circumstance should expect and receive sympathy if things go awry in such a context even if she is the silliest person on earth. What sort of heartless world do you live in when people who make mistakes or entertain a reasonable expectation of another person, suffer and are not accorded any sympathy? That is a very harsh view in any circumstances.

Nearly, everyone on a daily basis ignores advice and is blind to warnings official regarding and suggested protocols ones conduct in all aspects of life.

[admin]

How to be protect yourself from someone wanting to meet you, kill you and dismember your body;

1) Do not use your phone,

2) Do not write a letter to anyone,

3) Do not speak to anyone,

4) Do not use the internet,

5) Do not go out under any circumstances,

6) Do not breath.

Any criminologist will tell you that the majority of murders are committed by people known to the victim. A family member, intimate partner, friend or associate. People always overreact to the unique, sensationalist story. Yes, use common sense and basic precautions when meeting someone new but the reality is your friend or lover is much more likely to kill you.

That's comforting. I'll sleep with one eye open :-)

I'll second what LG said. In every murder investigation the very first people the police try to eliminate as potential suspects are friends, family, boy/girlfriends, co-workers, etc. A large percentage of murders are not random acts of violence by a random deranged maniac. They're usually someone the victim knew.

Here's a little bit I pulled from a site posting some stats on murders:

Out of 13,636 murders studied in the United States, 30.2% of the victims were murdered by persons known to them (4,119 victims), 13.6% were murdered by family members (1,855 victims), 12.3% were murdered by strangers (1,676 victims) and 43.9% of the relationships were unknown (investigators were not able to establish any relationship).

Although it would be better if they could define the other 43.9% of cases, in general, you're more likely to be killed by someone in your own family than you are by a total stranger.

[Hazel]

... a bit like blaming the rape victim cos he/she had simply dressed too 'hot'?