pandorea Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her? Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyke Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 definaltely yes , what can you teach your kid when you cant even take control of yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drlovelife8 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I was born in to a family of drug and alcohol abuse. I definatley think that seperating the family is more damaging than trying to find new parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oo.Cloud.oO Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? id say yea if hes/shes being neglected or abuse in any fashion and if the parent is consistently under some influence of drugs or alcohol around the child but MY QUESTION back to you is.... who decides its ok to take ur children from u? hopefully someone worth it? who would they go to? DEFINITELY NOT child services! theyre terrible, how about a family member that can prove financial and childcare responsibility? i just wonder that all i hear so many times ppl say TAKE THE KIDS AWAY in many situations and i agree if the parent aint a parent at all..... but who should we let judge this situation right? interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyotokoala Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I was born in to a family of drug and alcohol abuse.I definatley think that seperating the family is more damaging than trying to find new parents I didn't come form such a family, but I do totally agree with you. Family, Mum's, Dad's and children are just so important. Nothing can break that and nor should anyone try. As pandorea said, It is rather complicated, and all situations vary. This would need to be looked at accordingly and helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyoiy Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I would say that seeing and growing up around parents whom drink may make the kids think that drinking is okay. But it's not always a bad thing. Depends on the situation of each family. I, sometime, feel guilty to let the kids in my house seeing me drinking at home. I dont wanna be a bad example to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJ Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I when having a beer have given my kids a drink,and now they all in their 20s are only moderate drinkers,but I'd think as a father that being a bad parent by being at the pub every night drinking heavily and causing problems in the house as I seen my step father & mother do when young may be a bad example. You can drink in moderation with out causing problems is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombiedriven Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 You have to look at the situation. I grew up in a big family 7 kids. My father drank beer when he was not working never a alcholic. More like a workaholic IMO. My mother smokes. I was raised right for the most part. Now if the parents are raging alcholics or drug addics the family should step in first if the family is the same way. Let protective services get involved. Hell speaking of neglet I just read a article from New Mexico that just made me sick now that is just sick here is the post this is about a week or so old but it did stick with me http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090522/ap_on_re_us/us_playground_body_18 now somthing like that could have beed avoided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Sorry I didn't make it clear. The mother and her son was sitting on a street along with some adults those I assumed they are her friends. All of them were drinking beer and talking very loud. She appeared to be an alcoholic to me. I didn't say that she treats her son badly or anything but shouldn't the boy be playing with his friends and getting beat up like every other childern instead of sitting there watching his mom drunks. In Thailand, when any childern get removed from their parents, most of them will be under the care of their grand parents or relatives unlike in DK and many welfare state countries. I don't know what is the right way to do tho'. I have a friend who was growing up with an alcoholic mother. She seems to be fine but she told me that she never had a happy childhood. I asked her if she will be a different person if she didn't stay with her mother. She simply repiled- I don't know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 but MY QUESTION back to you is.... who decides its ok to take ur children from u? hopefully someone worth it? who would they go to? DEFINITELY NOT child services! theyre terrible, how about a family member that can prove financial and childcare responsibility? i just wonder that all My guess : there must be a system made for this, paper work and all that and something like doctor, social adviser and psychologist must corporate and look into each case individually.My answer base on my common sense. Anyway, I?m not the right person to answer your question but that was interesting question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Sassy Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 It's hard to answer this question because when I was a little girl, my parents've never done that right in front of me. They even said drinking is bad.. but look.. I grow up and drink too.. (not to that level) What if parent(s) got so drunk and violently abused his/her kid(s)? Said nasty words, provided negative role models? That would effect his/her kid(s) emotionally, physically. Kid(s) would probably become mentally disturbed later. My Choice : I'd rather stay with my alcoholic parents than be taken away. At least I could stay with people I love even if they were my bad role models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it Yea yea you keep pushing that socialist agenda talking point. I know you like The BUsh/ Cheney type controllers much better with no complaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Very difficult to say who should be taking from parents and for how long. Its an area where the system can make mistakes and be abused but some. I think it needs to be an option at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_wayne Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 .....my x wife wasn,t looking after my 3 kids properly...she spent all day and night in the pubs....the kids ate McDonalds everyday and my youngest daughter was obese at 10,my 12y/o son was fighting with her druggo boyfriend and my 13 y/o daughter was roaming the streets at 2am...I returned from Thailand where i was living and spent the last 5 years bringing my kids up......they are all doing really well now but if i never took responsibility for there lives then things would be totally different..there are some shocking parents out there that dont deserve to have children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? hmmmm ..... well i don't think there's anything wrong with drinking in moderation around kids, but shouldn't be getting drunk around them. however, when kids r being neglected or abused then something needs to be done !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: He is just saying socialism as much as he can. Thats all right wingers have to throw at Obama. Trying to scare people into thinking they will lose their God given right to be capitalists. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Sorry I didn't make it clear. The mother and her son was sitting on a street along with some adults those I assumed they are her friends. All of them were drinking beer and talking very loud. She appeared to be an alcoholic to me. I didn't say that she treats her son badly or anything but shouldn't the boy be playing with his friends and getting beat up like every other childern instead of sitting there watching his mom drunks. :shock: Nicky, I had to read this a couple of times as I thought maybe it was a typo? I think most would agree watching mum drink and even get drunk is preferable than getting beat up. Unless, your parents want you to become a boxer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: He is just saying socialism as much as he can. Thats all right wingers have to throw at Obama. Trying to scare people into thinking they will lose their God given right to be capitalists. :shock: socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism hey! at least I didn't say godless socialism... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted May 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Sorry I didn't make it clear. The mother and her son was sitting on a street along with some adults those I assumed they are her friends. All of them were drinking beer and talking very loud. She appeared to be an alcoholic to me. I didn't say that she treats her son badly or anything but shouldn't the boy be playing with his friends and getting beat up like every other childern instead of sitting there watching his mom drunks. :shock: Nicky, I had to read this a couple of times as I thought maybe it was a typo? I think most would agree watching mum drink and even get drunk is preferable than getting beat up. Unless, your parents want you to become a boxer! I see it from a different view, LakeGeneve. If children beat each other up in a playground, I believe they can defence themselves. They might be bloody and blues but that?s better than they get to see their parents drinking and behaving like idiots and in the worse case if those drunken parents abuse their children. Those childern can?t defence themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: He is just saying socialism as much as he can. Thats all right wingers have to throw at Obama. Trying to scare people into thinking they will lose their God given right to be capitalists. :shock: socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism hey! at least I didn't say godless socialism... the act of a desperate man ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Sorry I didn't make it clear. The mother and her son was sitting on a street along with some adults those I assumed they are her friends. All of them were drinking beer and talking very loud. She appeared to be an alcoholic to me. I didn't say that she treats her son badly or anything but shouldn't the boy be playing with his friends and getting beat up like every other childern instead of sitting there watching his mom drunks. :shock: Nicky, I had to read this a couple of times as I thought maybe it was a typo? I think most would agree watching mum drink and even get drunk is preferable than getting beat up. Unless, your parents want you to become a boxer! I see it from a different view, LakeGeneve. If children beat each other up in a playground, I believe they can defence themselves. They might be bloody and blues but that?s better than they get to see their parents drinking and behaving like idiots and in the worse case if those drunken parents abuse their children. Those childern can?t defence themselves. I must confess Nicky that I find this a little strange. Parents drinking around their children does not follow that they will behave like idiots (some will but some not drinking will also behave likewise I do believe). Even drunk parents can be ok parents. There are plenty of non-drinking parents who are damaging their children, for example, by allowing them to watch violent movies with gratuitous violence or leeting them watch trashy thai soaps which condone sexual violence (remember the Survey of young thai children who thought that sexual violence against women was ok - scary stuff). Bad parenting takes many forms and there is no set ideal model just some principles which may help. The notion that it is ok for children to beat each other up or that is preferable to a child being around a drinking and/or drunk parent is a little worrisome. Kids will fight but don't we these days try to embed with children that violence is not a resolution or a good norm to practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.