Mister Moobs Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 socialism socialism socialism socialism socialismsocialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism socialism hey! at least I didn't say godless socialism... the act of a desperate man ..... yeppir... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? It really all depends on the level of addiction (alcohol or otherwise) that the parents are showing. I have worked with families with chronic alcohol and drug problems, but where they have still been good parents and have always ensured that they are not uti while in charge of the kids. I have also worked with families where they have only needed low levels of support to reach better levels of parenting skills. It is impossible, and slightly fascistic, to make a generalisation on removing children from a family with addiction problems, especially when you consider that there are as many abusive or neglecting relationships within familiies with no substance issues as in those with. This is why all agencies have assessment procedures; to look at the circumstances of each family on its own merits. This process is also carried out on a multi agency basis; taking information from all those who may be involved with the family, from social workers to schools to doctors to criminal justice workers. Where possible, it is always best to keep the children within a family unit rather than putting them into care or foster care. But where problems are chronic, there will be close supervision and regular reviews of the situation, as well as real steps to address the issues concerning the agency. Only where the neglect and/or abuse due to addiction problems are reaching levels where the children are in danger, should the children be removed from the household. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorea Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I have seen a young boy about 6-8 years old was sitting next to his mother while the mother was drinking and smoking with her friends. A friend of mine said to me, the boy should be taken away from the mother. I don?t 100% agree with my friend because it's too complicated issue and I don't have the right answer to that. I don?t like the fact that the boy was there watching his mom drinking but what can I do? and who am I to judge her?Question : Should children be taken away from alcoholic parent(s)? Any thought? Firstly, the example you give does not indicate that the women was an alcoholic and it does not state the establishment (clearly somewhere that allows underage to attend). For better or worse, plenty of parents take their children with them when they socialise. Exposure to smoke has a clear harmful health impact on children, so these days a responsible parent should not smoke around their child. I agree that the removal of children from a parent(s) is very complicated and there needs to be a compelling reason using the best interests of the child test with clear exposure to neglect, abuse or harm (Physical, mental or emotional). Alcoholic persons can also be responsible parents but not always, it will depend on the degree of the addiction and the context of the family structure and a number of specific factors. However, there would be a huge number of children removed if the test was just drinking in proximity to a child. Just imagine the number of children in Thailand that would have to be taken away because a parent was drinking alcohol near their child.........yet more abandoned children! Sorry I didn't make it clear. The mother and her son was sitting on a street along with some adults those I assumed they are her friends. All of them were drinking beer and talking very loud. She appeared to be an alcoholic to me. I didn't say that she treats her son badly or anything but shouldn't the boy be playing with his friends and getting beat up like every other childern instead of sitting there watching his mom drunks. :shock: Nicky, I had to read this a couple of times as I thought maybe it was a typo? I think most would agree watching mum drink and even get drunk is preferable than getting beat up. Unless, your parents want you to become a boxer! I see it from a different view, LakeGeneve. If children beat each other up in a playground, I believe they can defence themselves. They might be bloody and blues but that?s better than they get to see their parents drinking and behaving like idiots and in the worse case if those drunken parents abuse their children. Those childern can?t defence themselves. I must confess Nicky that I find this a little strange. Parents drinking around their children does not follow that they will behave like idiots (some will but some not drinking will also behave likewise I do believe). Even drunk parents can be ok parents. There are plenty of non-drinking parents who are damaging their children, for example, by allowing them to watch violent movies with gratuitous violence or leeting them watch trashy thai soaps which condone sexual violence (remember the Survey of young thai children who thought that sexual violence against women was ok - scary stuff). Bad parenting takes many forms and there is no set ideal model just some principles which may help. The notion that it is ok for children to beat each other up or that is preferable to a child being around a drinking and/or drunk parent is a little worrisome. Kids will fight but don't we these days try to embed with children that violence is not a resolution or a good norm to practice? I agree that non-drinking parents can be as bad and I always hope that the whole world should have a method or something to test everyone if we fit to parenting before we have a child. That?s just my thought and I know that?s unrealistic. Can we stop any bullying at a play ground or at a school? That?s likely impossible. Children just have to learn how to cope with it or fight back if they can. They will be lucky if they have decent parents who can offer them a shoulder to cry on, protect them and teach them rights from wrongs but what if their parents are drunk, then what? I don?t trust anyone with alcohol in his/her blood, sorry. Of course it is NOT ok for children to beat each other up as so it is NOT ok for parents to drink their asses off in front of their children. Too bad there is no such a thing as the perfect world. Human are born violence. We hunt. We lie. We cheat. We beat each other up physically and mentality. We take advantage from each other and we do all nasty possible things, IF we can. That?s why we have laws, religious, governments, cultures, norms, families, friends and etc as guidelines and punishments. Alcohol don?t do anyone any good. That?s how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 That?s why we have laws, religious, governments, cultures, norms, families, friends and etc as guidelines and punishments. Nah, those things are emplaced so that an elite few can violate and beat and cheat everyone and make us all feel good about it. Don't you feel better already. Alcohol is awesome. Love the stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 That?s why we have laws, religious, governments, cultures, norms, families, friends and etc as guidelines and punishments. Nah, those things are emplaced so that an elite few can violate and beat and cheat everyone and make us all feel good about it. Don't you feel better already. Alcohol is awesome. Love the stuff! Your a curious combination of hippy rebel and right wing extremist.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Growing up... My Mother was an extremely religious Pentecostal, God Fearing woman who didn't really talk politics too much. She did however vote for Jimmy Carter. We went to Church on average 5 days a week. Not including the three times on Sunday. Tent revivals and the whole nine yards...plus one or two for good measure. My father was a lousy drunken, Republican voting guy who could hold a job and be made a manager within 6 months. Just in time to go on his drunken binge and lose said job. These days. Momma is a militant left wing feminist who goes to Church only to occasionally appease my step-father who is a NeoCon, Mormon retired Air Force Vet. Pops is now a disciple of Christ. Oft quoting the Bible. Much to my amusement. He's also disaffect and disconnect from reality to a degree that usually catches me off guard even as I am aware of it. Grandmother is a Yellow Dog Democrat. Three favorite Uncles: 1. Homosexual. Anti-Christian. Walmart Manager. Stonewall Democrat 2. Cop. Veteran. Conservative. Thinks that Mexicans are gonna ruin America. 3. Racist. Democratic Mayor of a Small Town. Was State Commander of the VFW and I think may be again. These are but a few of the influences of my life. I've seen the good and the bad to almost every view point. There is no black and white. I don't know about shades of gray. But I'm certain there are many more than two sides to every story. And that goes for Islam as well. Although, the retards on TF who can't see past their own limitations won't recognize that I feel this way. Their minds can't grasp much more than the obvious. lol Peace Eagleman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Well that explains it I see you often voicing 2 sides but your right, no black and white just shading. Money and power remain the same. I grew up with some religion from mom and drinking from dad, what a combo. I think if they took all the kids away from what is seen as abusive parents half of us would have grown up in foster care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oo.Cloud.oO Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Well that explains it I see you often voicing 2 sides but your right, no black and white just shading. Money and power remain the same. I grew up with some religion from mom and drinking from dad, what a combo. I think if they took all the kids away from what is seen as abusive parents half of us would have grown up in foster care. i agree i had some extremely bogus parents from a bi polar wack job mom to an alcoholic step father who loved to grab the belt at least once a week and let loose all in all i agree with what ur sayin thats why i wonder who decides the outcome of abusive parents? who SHOULD be allowed this huge life changing decision i hate that these decisions are made very easily and and a speedy pace in young kids lives and by the wrong people who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Well that explains it I see you often voicing 2 sides but your right, no black and white just shading. Money and power remain the same. I grew up with some religion from mom and drinking from dad, what a combo. I think if they took all the kids away from what is seen as abusive parents half of us would have grown up in foster care. Oh yeah, my other Grandmother was a flag waving patriot. Today, I'm sure she'd be branded a nationalist by the new wave hippy movement amongst the Euros here. Oh GAWD!!! lol She voted for Reagan and lorded it over her husband as she was a BIG woman both physically and in her personality and Grandpa Norman was a diminutive fellow in both size and spirit. All of the Grandparents served in WWII in one capacity or the other and their stories shaped my ideals of my country. Beer Barrel Polka was the sound of my youth at my Grandmothers house. Bingo at VFW on many a Friday and Saturday Night. It was truly a different world in those days. We ran the streets alone. Drank from water hoses in our own yard and our neighbors yards. We weren't afraid to accept candy from strangers or the lonely old guy next door. We knew all of our neighbors even if we didn't get along well with all of them all the time. We left our doors unlocked to both our cars and our houses. Walked a mile to school at the ripe old age of 13. The only gun at school I ever experienced was the one dumbass who had it shoved down his pants and shot himself in the foot when he pulled it out to show his friends. A little .22 revolver if I remember correctly. A hyper kid got a paddling instead of a bucket of pills. I can't count the times that I was paddled in school. Must be thousands. And I have zero emotional or physical scars from the experience. Life was so much simpler. It's all better and worse all at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I had about 12 uncles in War 2 and Korea. Number of cousins and second cousins male and female in the service is hard to imagine but its a lot. Hey I love my country but I believe I am one of those people in we the people. If politicians are corrupt they are the enemy, ain't that how its supposed to work. Vote em out. But with money allowed to corrupt as it is all we get are money grabbing crooks in office. And who decides which kids stay at home and which parents are too abusive. I lived next to a home for abused kids wen I was in high school. Played basketball with them till my mom found out how they talked. Its hard for me to imagine how many children in the world are in abusive homes around the world when a country as wealthy as the US has so many. Sad indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I'm not disagreeing with you. Just chatting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I'm not disagreeing with you. Just chatting. i know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: He is just saying socialism as much as he can. Thats all right wingers have to throw at Obama. Trying to scare people into thinking they will lose their God given right to be capitalists. :shock: The funny thing is that Obama isn't socialist at all. He is actually pretty much right wing compared to most political regime outside of the US. But I guess he is the US version of socialism, for what it's worth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 the police state cometh...that good old Socialist State. welfare from cradle to grave... gotta love it now what the f**k exactly has kids being abused and/or neglected got to do with socialism !! too long in the sand again dave i doubt !! :roll: :roll: :roll: He is just saying socialism as much as he can. Thats all right wingers have to throw at Obama. Trying to scare people into thinking they will lose their God given right to be capitalists. :shock: The funny thing is that Obama isn't socialist at all. He is actually pretty much right wing compared to most political regime outside of the US. But I guess he is the US version of socialism, for what it's worth... Its a button they can push to get support against him. They are desperate to get some movement even if its a bowel movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Personally, I think Obama has been pretty moderate. The right (of the US) seems to think that he is ruining the country and the world right behind it. All those gays and abortions and whatnot. I think the right is getting traction with their base. The question is: Does anyone else give a damn? I don't. But it's fun to talk a bit of smack and get people worked up over the stupid ****. I especially love how twisted panties get when the word "socialism" is mentioned. It's f*cking glorious. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Personally, I think Obama has been pretty moderate. The right (of the US) seems to think that he is ruining the country and the world right behind it. All those gays and abortions and whatnot. I think the right is getting traction with their base. The question is: Does anyone else give a damn? I don't. But it's fun to talk a bit of smack and get people worked up over the stupid sh*t. I especially love how twisted panties get when the word "socialism" is mentioned. It's f*cking glorious. lol You like to think your twisting panties but your just bored. Antagonizing a forum is easy. Everyone is looking for a vent or something to respond too. I guess since your in the land of smack talking smack is the thing to do........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Moobs Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Personally, I think Obama has been pretty moderate. The right (of the US) seems to think that he is ruining the country and the world right behind it. All those gays and abortions and whatnot. I think the right is getting traction with their base. The question is: Does anyone else give a damn? I don't. But it's fun to talk a bit of smack and get people worked up over the stupid sh*t. I especially love how twisted panties get when the word "socialism" is mentioned. It's f*cking glorious. lol You like to think your twisting panties but your just bored. Antagonizing a forum is easy. Everyone is looking for a vent or something to respond too. I guess since your in the land of smack talking smack is the thing to do........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunitz Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 This summer I went to the Maldives. I liked. Tell us where you were. And show me photo. Are you the respective kid or one of the alcoholic parents??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 This summer I went to the Maldives. I liked. Tell us where you were. And show me photo. Well, I went to a place far, far...hey wait...WRONG FORUM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin_2 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I say no...they should stay with their parents. I would miss my kids too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 I think they should be taken away from all adults (within a 100 yards of my location). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunitz Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think they should be taken away from all adults (within a 100 yards of my location). Yep! Kids are nice, they are cute and they deserve the utmost attention, love and education possible! ........ But all of this out of the range of my senses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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