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I have seen these topics discussed to varying lengths in several threads, they really should go together as the Iranian president has thrust the ongoing idea that Israel needs to cease to exist. Iran having nukes under Khatami would be one thing. Under Ahmadinejad is another. But it is worth noting that Mahmoud does not have the final say in what happens in Iran and I only pray the people of Iran will wake up and see the hopelessness of this situation and make a change from within. And it stands to reason that neither the United States or any nation within Europe (save for France) will allow any nation to possess a weapon that would be used to completely obliterate their strongest ally in the region. Let the America bashing begin...come on... I have seen the idea of just letting Israel be sacraficed for the greater good. How obsurd is that? And for what? So a completely fabricated race can establish a completely fabricated nation? (their leaders said it, i am using it as reference) Off-topic, but keeping with the theme... I can find at least five instances in the qu'ran where it is explicitly stated to kill the infidels (read: christians and jews) and if someone could locate just ONE instance in christian texts (read: new testament) where the mention of killing anyone is put forward, I am interested to know. As for Islam being disgraced by only a few bad apples and made to look bad by their actions, I am not so sure. The WORLDWIDE protests over a few CARTOONS help set the wests perception of muslims as a whole. If someone drew unflattering cartoons of the christ -and it has happened- maybe people will get a chuckle, write a letter, be a little miffed. But it is a safe bet that no embassy will get attacked, no one will be kidnapped or beheaded over it. The US has been accused of war crimes such as bombing civilians and making POWs do college-style hazing rituals. First, the enemy does not fight in accordance to the rules of combat as outlined by convention. They are not an organized or recognized army and they fight and hide among civilians while shooting at military targets. As witnessed in 1993 in Mogedishu, the US military takes great pains in eliminating the threat to civilians when fighting in an urban setting. And we know what happened then. If the US was to fight on the same level as al qaeda or any other known terrorist organization, it would be interesting to see and read the reactions of the people then. Also, if they would stop using children as suicide bombers and shields, then maybe the PR on their side would change. Let the America bashing commence