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Thaksin in Time


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Hi....I got an interview to review and learn some vocabs. This piece is so interesting.

Former Thai PM Thaksin: "I'm Calling It Quits"

Thursday, Feb. 01, 2007
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OPEN UP: Thailand needs a freer market, says Thaksin
JUN TAKAGI FOR TIME
Since he was toppled from power last September, Thaksin Shinawatra has been crisscrossing the globe. TIME's Southeast Asia Bureau Chief Hannah Beech caught up with Thailand's former Prime Minister on Jan. 25 in Tokyo, where they spoke about the military coup against him, the new regime in Bangkok, and what he intends to do with his life. Excerpts:

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Thailand's former leader, Thaksin Shinawatra, says that he is done with politics. But the coupmakers who ousted him fear a comeback
TIME: You've asserted that you and your old political party, Thai Rak Thai, were highly popular. Yet there was hardly any public outcry against the coup.
THAKSIN: It was the same with Thailand's 17 other coups. First, the people are shocked. Then they start to voice their concerns. And then they start to accept it, especially after it's endorsed by His Majesty the King. They're very disciplined. They obey. But they are watching what [the new rulers] are doing, and when they will return democracy to the people. People's tolerance is limited. Remark: Well-done Answer. But it is a bit surprised that he mentioned the King's endorsement of coup. Of course, the king seems to endorse coup gang. But that is not so obvious like stating: i love this coup. I am afraid this could lead to a popular attack: the lese majesty. Thaksin is so bold. The new government has been responsible for controversial policies—the capital controls in December, and the proposed changes to the Foreign Business Act that could limit overseas ownership of companies in Thailand. What do you think of such moves?
No one can adopt protectionism anymore. Thailand has to be ready for globalization—you cannot turn your back on it. Anything that reverses what is already very open will cause confusion and uncertainty. This is when investors pull out. Remark: Convincing. You've met with business leaders in Japan, which is traditionally the biggest foreign investor in Thailand. What did you tell them?
I said this is a hiccup for Thailand, to not lose confidence in the country, that democracy will prevail and that their investments will bear fruit. No remark. The junta has claimed that forces loyal to you were responsible for the New Year's Eve bombings in Bangkok. How do you respond?
I absolutely deny any connection. [Those responsible] must be brought to justice. Pointing a finger at somebody else, without evidence and investigation, is not right. Remark: Good. The junta also accuses you and your government of corruption.
The allegations are baseless. I asked very detailed questions about projects that went to the Cabinet for approval, and I shot down many of them. In all the previous 17 coups, corruption was one of the excuses. But some juntas ended up being more corrupt. At any rate, corruption will not go away in Thailand—it's in the system. Remark:  Even Thaksin's supporter knows that it is true. Nobody thinks that his government doesn't corrupt. The extent of corruption is disputed, though.Anyway, I am so surprised that Thaksin admits that his goverment corrupts in an indirect way here.You have criticized the junta for muzzling the media, but you were accused of doing the same during your time in office.
The press printed groundless information about me. The press should not print unless it has all the facts because this can hurt the reputations of others. So I criticized them; sometimes I used strong words. You did more than just express strong words. You slapped lawsuits on newspapers that printed things you didn't like.
That was the only way I could seek justice. But I never intervened in their activities or closed them down. How mature is Thailand's democracy?
Without democracy it's not possible for Thailand to prosper, because without democracy, we will not get the trust and confidence [of investors] to develop the country. If you look at the development of civilizations, the first curve of civilization is military, or the prestige game. The second curve is industrialization, or the wealth game. The current curve is the wisdom game—information technology. We have to compete in the wisdom game; we should not be competing in the prestige game. But [the junta] wants to bring the country backward. That is not good. You should take the country forward. Remark: It is not exactly the answer to the question.  Anyway, interesting. He thinks of Democracy as a means bringing prosperity to a country. Will you return to politics?
Right after I was ousted by the coup, I had mixed feelings. The negative feeling was that this was unfortunate for Thailand and its democracy, that the confidence I tried very hard to restore after the 1997 financial crisis would be lost. The positive part was, oh, I can retire now, I can have time for myself, for my family, I can meet friends and relax. Life is not that long, so if you can bring some happiness to yourself and your family, that's good ... I'm quite confident that if I ran [for election] today, I would win, [but] I have no political ambitions. I am calling it quits. No remark here.  I am calling it quits too.
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Hi....I got an interview to review and learn some vocabs. This piece is so interesting.

Former Thai PM Thaksin: "I'm Calling It Quits"

Thursday, Feb. 01, 2007
thaksin_interview.jpg
OPEN UP: Thailand needs a freer market, says Thaksin
JUN TAKAGI FOR TIME
Since he was toppled from power last September, Thaksin Shinawatra has been crisscrossing the globe. TIME's Southeast Asia Bureau Chief Hannah Beech caught up with Thailand's former Prime Minister on Jan. 25 in Tokyo, where they spoke about the military coup against him, the new regime in Bangkok, and what he intends to do with his life. Excerpts:

Related

Thailand: Thaksin's Giant Shadow

Thailand's former leader, Thaksin Shinawatra, says that he is done with politics. But the coupmakers who ousted him fear a comeback
TIME: You've asserted that you and your old political party, Thai Rak Thai, were highly popular. Yet there was hardly any public outcry against the coup.
THAKSIN: It was the same with Thailand's 17 other coups. First, the people are shocked. Then they start to voice their concerns. And then they start to accept it, especially after it's endorsed by His Majesty the King. They're very disciplined. They obey. But they are watching what [the new rulers] are doing, and when they will return democracy to the people. People's tolerance is limited. Remark: Well-done Answer. But it is a bit surprised that he mentioned the King's endorsement of coup. Of course, the king seems to endorse coup gang. But that is not so obvious like stating: i love this coup. I am afraid this could lead to a popular attack: the lese majesty. Thaksin is so bold. The new government has been responsible for controversial policies—the capital controls in December, and the proposed changes to the Foreign Business Act that could limit overseas ownership of companies in Thailand. What do you think of such moves?
No one can adopt protectionism anymore. Thailand has to be ready for globalization—you cannot turn your back on it. Anything that reverses what is already very open will cause confusion and uncertainty. This is when investors pull out. Remark: Convincing. You've met with business leaders in Japan, which is traditionally the biggest foreign investor in Thailand. What did you tell them?
I said this is a hiccup for Thailand, to not lose confidence in the country, that democracy will prevail and that their investments will bear fruit. No remark. The junta has claimed that forces loyal to you were responsible for the New Year's Eve bombings in Bangkok. How do you respond?
I absolutely deny any connection. [Those responsible] must be brought to justice. Pointing a finger at somebody else, without evidence and investigation, is not right. Remark: Good. The junta also accuses you and your government of corruption.
The allegations are baseless. I asked very detailed questions about projects that went to the Cabinet for approval, and I shot down many of them. In all the previous 17 coups, corruption was one of the excuses. But some juntas ended up being more corrupt. At any rate, corruption will not go away in Thailand—it's in the system. Remark:  Even Thaksin's supporter knows that it is true. Nobody thinks that his government doesn't corrupt. The extent of corruption is disputed, though.Anyway, I am so surprised that Thaksin admits that his goverment corrupts in an indirect way here.You have criticized the junta for muzzling the media, but you were accused of doing the same during your time in office.
The press printed groundless information about me. The press should not print unless it has all the facts because this can hurt the reputations of others. So I criticized them; sometimes I used strong words. You did more than just express strong words. You slapped lawsuits on newspapers that printed things you didn't like.
That was the only way I could seek justice. But I never intervened in their activities or closed them down. How mature is Thailand's democracy?
Without democracy it's not possible for Thailand to prosper, because without democracy, we will not get the trust and confidence [of investors] to develop the country. If you look at the development of civilizations, the first curve of civilization is military, or the prestige game. The second curve is industrialization, or the wealth game. The current curve is the wisdom game—information technology. We have to compete in the wisdom game; we should not be competing in the prestige game. But [the junta] wants to bring the country backward. That is not good. You should take the country forward. Remark: It is not exactly the answer to the question.  Anyway, interesting. He thinks of Democracy as a means bringing prosperity to a country. Will you return to politics?
Right after I was ousted by the coup, I had mixed feelings. The negative feeling was that this was unfortunate for Thailand and its democracy, that the confidence I tried very hard to restore after the 1997 financial crisis would be lost. The positive part was, oh, I can retire now, I can have time for myself, for my family, I can meet friends and relax. Life is not that long, so if you can bring some happiness to yourself and your family, that's good ... I'm quite confident that if I ran [for election] today, I would win, [but] I have no political ambitions. I am calling it quits. No remark here.  I am calling it quits too.
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You're editorializing on the Time piece is out of place Duanja. Thaksin's words speak for themselves. We all know lies when we read them.

All you are doing is proving what a fool you are.

What do you have to say about the airport, Duanja?

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Duanja- interesting articles even more interesting comments

CiaranM- True, Toxin is a very immoral and unfit to lead and no one what so ever should trust what he is saying. BUT He does not break the law (Well the Junta has been trying very hard to convict him since September coup)

Note to Loburt- Is it all right now to openly discuss about political situations in Thailand now?, Consider that there was an earlier announcement from the admin asking not to talk about political situations

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If you think a leader who murders 2,500 people; causes a low level insurgency in the south that was dying to explode into an orgy of violence; robs the country blind; allows his ministers to steal 30% of the money used to build a new airport and then the airport falls apart four months after it opens; makes physical threats against journalists; does nothing while human rights lawyers, environmental and community activists are taken out and murdered by his police; and is a complusive and chronic liar, is some sort of hero, then you are a fool.

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Loburt, you don't understand the point.In Time, Thaksin doesn't lie.How can he lies that he corrupts.

He even reveals, or connotes, that he corrupts.And he points out that the coup is MORE- CORRUPTED.

And he convinced that corruption is in the system.Corruption will not go away in Thailand, according to Thaksin's opinion.Another interesting point is that Thaksin acknowledges that H.M. endorses the coup.

And if Thai people do not vote for him, he could not make a comeback.

Those coup advocates are so clever like Loburt.They shut the voice of difference, the thai majority, by labelling them foolies.I do not want to cover up my fool, and my stupidity. For example, about the cause of event in the south.I do not know who is behind it, and who should be blamed.I know that it is complicated. Some people suspect that the anti-Thaksin has something to do to instigate the terrrists. (Prem Tinnasulanond, Sondhi come from the south) And the coup gang does not investigate much about the Gruse event because it involves the military commander.

However, Government under Thaksin realized that they went in a wrong direction, perhaps because of critics from abroad. Fearing that it will appear that Muslims are abused by the government, the government did not do what it should to prevent harm from thai people living in the south. For example, when the soldiers were kidnapped in a village for one or two days, and tortured to death. The commander dared not to break into the village.And Kru Juling, she was hit by villagers in her school. A Group of women wearing hijabs breaked into the school to batter down non-Muslim teachers.The commander during Thaksin dared not to break into the school to rescue the teachers in time.

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Continued...(my internet does not allow me to post a long answer at the same time)

I also think the extra-juidical killings is unacceptable. But the point is the majority of Thai support for it.

They voted for it. Two times. But you have to understand that the drugs are very bad problem in Thailand. They even sell drugs to kids in school. Moreover, Thai people are o.k. with death sentence, so people allow it thinking that police should be authorized to kill the gangsters during the confrontation. Anyway, I think now all politicians got one lesson about launching extra-juidical killing.

By acknowledging all of the bad policies during Thaksin, staging a coup is no way a solution to it, in my opinion.

They just use it as a pretext to seize power. And it proves that coup does worsen both politics and economics.

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I belong to a number of forums online, and it seems there is a general policy. If you don't like what you read, say so, but DON'T put other people down. Some may agree with others, some may disagree, BUT - everyone is entitled to their own opinions - after all - that's what democracy is about - isn't it?

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And this is my opinion about the new airport as Loburt request it.

Firstly, I do not want to conclude anything about the construction. I have no knowledge about construction. I am not sure how serious it is. Cracks right after construction are possible, but reliable professionals should check it to find the cause that contribute to it.

Anyway, i am sure one thing that goverment should not pay more Baht for repairing involved.

But the coup just approve 3,000 Baht for the repairing.

To give a light to the point.I want to compare private business with national assets.

In business, there are brokers. Getting percent from selling houses, condos, lands etcs.

They are treated like professions. What happen when the house falls apart right after the buyer move in?

The brokers should be responsible? No. The broker gets away with it. It is the company who makes the construction, and the engineer.They will be in charge of it.

It is a Thai custom that politicians think of themselves like brokers who sell a land, a condo. They get percentage from signing the contracts. So I have no doubt about politicians get extra- money from this project (as I have no doubt why Gen Surayud possesses 90 Millions Baht assets. But that does not mean that they should build the airport bad. As the building should not fall apart just because there are brokers who benefits from selling.

So, if the airport is in that bad condition. (which I am not sure if it is that bad, coz cracks are possible small errors)the coup government should not pay any Baht to repair. They should sue the company involved

for compensation. And if possible, squeeze the company about the bribe involved.

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so many holes in his lies....toxin says that because things can'rt be substanciated against him, he didn't do them?

**** Moreover, Thai people are o.k. with death sentence, so people allow it thinking that police should be authorized to kill the gangsters during the confrontation.???*****

total bullsh*t!

there was no confrontation!!!!!!!!

1000's of people died from the "death squads" that hunted down the ya ba dealers.

the squads walked in...shot the dealers immediately ...no confrontation...and lied about it later (when they even had to LIE at all!)

if thai people endorsed it, they would clap hands and not ask if it was a correct action.

and the same time the dealers watching TV or sleeping, got shot in the head, so did all all the potential witnesses, including children and innocent relatives.

don't get me wrong...i am not saying that those kind of drugs are good..(they are not).but too many innocent people were killed to "keep up the quota" of some political gambit.

as a disclaimer, i am not saying any particular governmet is bad.

i am saying they ALL are bad.

(i worked for the government, and have some insider secrets)

it doesn't matter who is in power anywhere.

"the game is the same...only the faces change"

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