Hip-Hop Music

[MisterMatlock]

God bless you dude. You hit the nail on the head. I'm getting sick of hip-hop/rap sounding like a broken record... The majority of that genre now is just copying and pasting... I really liked your mention of De La Soul. ;o) "Zulu Nation" forever baby.

[MisterMatlock]

I've always been a fan of Del... Regardless of his connection to Ice Cube. Yes, I know it's a long way from "couple of years"... I've also enjoyed DJ Quik.

[MisterMatlock]

Gotta check that out for myself. People are still surprised by some of his stuff from the early 90's or so... Still sounds tight now. There's nothing better for balling. What ever happened to Del?

[funfarang]

oh, and I was extremely disappointed by the hip-hop scene in Thailand. I couldn't find any albums beyond those of the most commerical artists, and all I ever heard being played was the same artists.

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what cracks me up is that they are still playing "jump around" from house of pain and this shitty "warm it up chris " from kriss kross. but have you ever heard any woo tang klan in clubs here? not even a booya tribe . lol

[MisterMatlock]

Would be interesting look up... In the meantime, I'll look up DJ Quik's latest... Funny thing is that I hate most rap. I'm a country or blues fan... I can't stand mediocrity. Probably the same as most people. Can only appreciate the standouts.

[MisterMatlock]

What's wrong with playing music that entertains in venues who sole purpose is to enterain a certin clientele? Good busniess as far as I'm concerned... Do you really think the audiences they're playing for would rather hear something obscure?

[MisterMatlock]

If you're into "proper" country, than cars and drinking is a prerequisite... I like Junior Brown, Johnny Cash, Hank Williams Sr, Big and Rich (minus Cowboy Troy)

[funfarang]

What's wrong with playing music that entertains in venues who sole purpose is to enterain a certin clientele? Good busniess as far as I'm concerned... Do you really think the audiences they're playing for would rather hear something obscure?

yeah but playing songs that are over 10 years old when everyday there are new tunes going out , excuse me.

also i don't think that wu tang klan is "obscure" and i don't think kriss kross could be labelled hip hop.

i don't ask them to play " you must learn" from KRS One but they could just innovate a little , its not demanding too much i hope .

look at santika , they could play a CD each night it wouldn't make any difference , the same songs in the same order every single day.

and the sihk DJ at santika is the worst DJ on earth by the way.

[MisterMatlock]

What is wrong with playing tracks that are 10 years or older? I don't see too many people who have problems with "Doggystyle"... or "America's Most Wanted"... You're talking about a matter of taste. I'm not saying you're wrong from my point of view, but this is music that many people don't seem to mind.

[funfarang]

the poor taste of the most people , problem they don't have the choice .

they are fed the same **** over and over and they know only this ****.

there is no or very low musical culture amongst the clubbers in bangkok , they don't choose a club for the musical quality but for who goes there and how many benz are in the front . if clubbers were more picky there would be good quality tracks playing at clubs , but everywhere you go in BKK you hear the same hip hop songs and the same electro tunes over and over ( mind that the electro scene is more versatile) have you ever been in narcissus? 3-4-5 years old trance, nothing new. at least astra is bringing in carl cox soon

if i reason like you in 10 years they will still play the same tracks "because-people-like-to-dance-on-these-songs" . sad

[funfarang]

Done imaginatively, mixing old hip-hop records together can equal a great night out. My favourite DJ in the UK, DJ Yoda, is brilliant at sticking a bunch of older tracks together and making them sound new..

i totally agree

BTW, it's Wu-Tang Clan, not "Klan".

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mea culpa but i'm not too much in the hip hop scene myself

I was at Green Mango on Koh Samui when they played "Jump Around", followed by "Boom Shake The Room". As I walked to the toilets I was saying to my friend that all they needed now was "Jump" by Kris Kross and they'd have completed the most unimaginative and wack mix of music ever. As I was urinating, what came on....."Jump". Congratulations to that DJ, how totally uninspired.

you got exactly to the point i wanted to make , and they do it also in all the so called hip hop venues in bangkok, EVERY SINGLE FREAKING NIGHT

[MisterMatlock]

You've changed the topic... "Hip Hop" venues/bars should probably try to provide their clientele something other than the tired selection that is customary in the gogo bars. MANY older tracks can be replayed and will sound fresh and new to ALL ears. Favourites never ever get old.

[funfarang]

well, true i deviated the subject a little , but donmegakai found the words for what i wanted to say better than i did

[MisterMatlock]

Isn't it wonderful how a DJ can take two tracks that aren't worth wiping your ass with and turn them into something that you laugh about? That's one of the joys of a great hip-hop club. Putting two previously unrelated tracks into something that you can love.

[MisterMatlock]

I doubt being "black" is going to guarantee great hip hop... The same stereotype can't guarantee great blues music. My favourite blues musician is white... Oh my Lord.. What a fallacy... But you're right. Hip hop can deliver a certain "je ne said quoi" as far as dancing and rhythm.

[HoyPare]

I think Nas said something similar to "Music should make you laugh, cry, scream, chill, whatever. As long as you feel something." Thats exactly why I love HipHop. I think over the years, I have grown in my musical tastes. The same could be said about backpack or underground hip hop. One artist/producer/(hell he does everything) that comes to mind is Madlib. I love how he fuses Hip Hop and Jazz and is able to create something like no other. Others that come to mind: MF Doom, Pigeon John, Mos Def, Del the FH, J5, Blackalicious, Atmosphere, etc etc.

[robbie36]

You've changed the topic...

Actually he is very much on 'topic'. The original thread is about the prevalence of hip hop music in clubs in Thailand. It is important to differentiate between 'hip-hop music' and the clubbing scene.

Personally I have never liked hip hop but, if I did like hip hop, I would still hate to go to the Bangkok clubs that play the same standard hip hop anthems night after night.

I am sure this 'cliched hip hop' scene can be just as irritating to people who like hip hop or do not.

[jay24]

Mr Dm why even bother...people who weren't teens/young adults B4 89' and outside of the US will (IMO) NEVER understand True Hip Hop...I just don't believe it possible. Hey do you know where ED O.G. is? His kid's looking for him....LOL

its true that many dont get it right and for example in germany we have now teens that think hip hop came from germany hahaha. but i wouldnt say that in general especially in some areas in europe like paris or also berlin hip hop is still kind of true with breakdancing, graffiti, beatboxing, mcing und djing still all together while in america hip hop is more or less mcing now and thats it. we also had kids doing breakdance in the early 80s and some of them also started mcing in german at that time.

i guess you can say it is not true in that matter that its not english but the spirit of hiphop some people have in europe is pretty true in my opinion.

for example for some of the dopest beatbox stuff thats out there check some tracks of saian supa crew

http://www.saiansupacrew.com/

[neillyperrfekt]

I think Nas said something similar to "Music should make you laugh, cry, scream, chill, whatever. As long as you feel something." Thats exactly why I love HipHop. I think over the years, I have grown in my musical tastes. The same could be said about backpack or underground hip hop. One artist/producer/(hell he does everything) that comes to mind is Madlib. I love how he fuses Hip Hop and Jazz and is able to create something like no other. Others that come to mind: MF Doom, Pigeon John, Mos Def, Del the FH, J5, Blackalicious, Atmosphere, etc etc.

I couldnt agree more. Blackalicious and a group called ozomatli are amazing live.

[CocoaBrotha]

Hip hop went through a total stage of positivity and then it transformed into gangsta rap and then it got commercial. Hopefullysoon, it goes back to that positive side where we can start communicating and saying something through our music. It's coming.................soon.

When you can choose to play a record that says pop your ass or a record that has some kind of positive message or knowledgeable subject, it's easier to accept the ignorance than put out something that has some thought process to it. The guy who just does ignorant music wins the awards and gets the millions of music sales and that becomes defeating after a while.

But to talk about the ol school cats, I like Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, X-Clan, Whodini and the list goes on.

P.S....Who wanna Battle!!!

[Lilguyy72]

I didn't state that hip-hop was better then (although it was) I just said people born after a certian date WILL NOT understand True hip hop especially ones that aren't american..that's my opinion..not a fact, I could be wrong won't be the first or last time; just don't see it as possible. All the artist/performers touring overseas you named that you state as being "True" hip-hop are all over 30 years in age, so that just proves my b4 89' comparrisson also ALL of them are AMERICAN.

I am truly sorry you lost your brother to the quick, that has nothing to do with hip-hop...nigg*'s get shot everyday..and I'm sorry these website kids can only relate to you in that aspect. You wanna convince me of overseas heads... you can't, hip-hop is over for me cuz I'm considered an old man in the culture now (as you will be soon too). Hip-hop is created by youth for youth (it probably has expanded to overseas countries but you guys are always behind us anyway and most foriegn groups I heard are pure ass..any monkey can make a beat only a MC can rhyme, maybe that's why they always collabo with an american artist for broader appeal..whatever..who knows).

Now you being a 10 year old white boy in the UK I find hilarious! I didn't have to wait til I was 10... it was ALWAYS around me. No need to search.. all I had to do was wake up that day. ..cuz you missed it all. Run-DMC at madison square, LL vs Kool Moe in philly, Boogie Down and the Juice Crew (well Kane, Biz and Masta Ace) in Detroit and countless other concerts..I was at these events IN THE US as a teen/young adult and you gonna attempt to tell me about hip-hop? Don't go mentioning Talib, Mos Def, Suppernatural or any of the old soundbombing crew to me cuz I already know and HAVE known..I live in the states you think you gonna hear about an american artist b4 me..not likely.(yes that MF Doom is hott, always has been ever since he was "gas facing" with 3rd Base but it's ancient..too bad his label delayed that release for all those years and funny how it holds up to todays so called hip hop). I mean no offence as I can see you got luv for the culture..but attempting to discredit me or point me toward hip hop won't EVER work....it's the only thing I know better than myself.

Hip-hop today has changed it's not what I'm used too cause I'm out of date..it speaks to teens (as it should) and is now dominated by the South. I wasn't into it at first (I'm and old school true east coast head) but when you LISTEN to rappers like T.I.; Lil Wayne and Young Jeezy (just to name a few) they are relating to you what the block/hood is like all over america. Sure they have a lot of BS songs about girls,money and extravagent travels..but to me one song that I can relate to is worth 10 of the other (which is saying alot cuz most rappers are all flash today). Kanye is the new truth and has been for at least 8 years... sincere in all he rhymes; glad he could add some beats to Common's rhymes so people would get caught up and ACTUALLY listen to him for once.

Well I have no clue what I'm ranting about now...I don't even know why I started this post..maybe cuz I'm pissed about my utility bill and my girlfriends lack of decent BJ skillz...mainly I just wanted to joke with Mr. Dm (now the Cocoabrother..) about Ed O.G. and he hasn't replied yet...what you no like joke? Heh OUT!!!

[HoyPare]

Anybody like Roni Size? Not really hip hop, but it has many elements from it. My friend just got me into him.

[VanillaVodka]

What's the fuss??? Music is music. Why you like it and the other people don't is like asking "What comes first....egg or chick?"

I do agree hip-hop has somewhat become a trend. And that clubs over here suck azz! Playing the same tunes over and over. Kids get fed the same shite every time they step in the clubs. But some will get educated by that if they reach out and find more music to listen too. Some are just happy to listen and dance to the same shite and when the new music trend takes over hip-hop....they will happily move on to that.

Such life. I would have to make music

[CocoaBrotha]

when the new music trend takes over hip-hop....they will happily move on to that.

It will be a loooooong time when that happens!.

Hip Hop is the cultural voice of people of the world so it will be a long time when another musical style comes along.

[Undercover]

Re hip hop:

1. My biggest complaint about Thailand (and it's true whether you're talking about hiphop, pop or techno, which are pretty much the only choices you have here) is that you hear the same ******* 10 songs in every club, city, village or moo bahn. I mean it's amazing. It's like there's one Cd that's issued to every DJ in the country.

2. The origins of Hip-Hop aren't much different from the origins of rock n roll or any other musical trend and people's reactions to it are much the same. 20 years ago it was fresh and exciting. I can remember going to underground hip hop bars in New York 22 years ago when it was in its infancy and it was exciting and real and great. Now 20+ years on, most of it is overproduced mindless crap - big surprise. It isn't any different than rock n' roll in this respect.

3. As far as hip hop being "the cultural voice of the people" well I don't know about that. It will be until the powers that be in the music industry decides something else will sell better or until its so diluted that its completely uninteresting (think of rock n roll circa 1988) and people want something new.