MAD DONNA BUYS A BABY

[sigmundyfruedy]

Am I the only one outraged and disgusted that we have reached the level that babies now truly are just another commodity.

It is clear now that if you have the resources you can aqquire a baby and have your assitant collect it for you.

Is inter country adoption wrong? [i strongly feel it is] Is this as is claimed now just asset striping? When was the last time a Black African woman was able to adopt a nice blond white boy from a rich western country?

I AM SO DISILLUSIONED WITH THIS LATEST CASE - THAT OTHER NUTTER CELEB: JOLIE BEING ANOTHER IN A LONG LIST OF EXAMPLES OF THE REDUCING OF BABIES AND HUMAN BEINGS TO BEING ACCESSORIES

[DocDre]

So I suppose Jolie's baby (first one) would have been better left in Cambodia to grow up in an orphanage? My aunt adopted a child from Cambodia and she's doing really well in Canada.

If perchance Jolie, wasn't a rich, movie star, and was an "average" person, would you be so critical?

[English_George]

The Doc's got a point, but i see what you mean Freudy. It's a tough issue because there are certain elements of celebrity involved with the whole media circus that encircles these types of stories. Moreso i would say in the case of Madonna, who, despite being one of the most influencial 'pop' artists of the 20th century, is a bit of an attention seeker. Which I sympathise for her about because her whole persona is 'me, me, me' but that is built from her celebrity..........who's to say that we wouldn't all follow the same path if destiny had dealt us the same hand?

It's wonderful for the child, who will now be famous and wealthy. However.....saving one child is not the answer to the problem. Maybe building a charity or a foundation to help many children would be more productive. I say this because I'm sure her reasons for adoption were to 'give the child a better future', but whilst painting the child she is also painting herself. Her shock value attraction is waning with age and I feel she still lusts after the image she built when she was a sex symbol.

Her recent adventures in leotards showed that she still wants that image and is trying not to accept her age.

She enjoys the limelight........we all know that........why did she change her religion? Then complain when people reported it???

Fame is addictive and she's been on the pipe for many years.......IN MY OPINION

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[VanillaVodka]

Why is it that when Jolie did it (twice) she was a bloody saint? And when Madonna wants to do some good (which she has countless of times) and giving a child an opportunity he could never has otherwise dreamed of.....she's a baby buyer.

Why? Cos she's a material girl???????

Get a life and leave her and the baby alone.

[sigmundyfruedy]

So I suppose Jolie's baby (first one) would have been better left in Cambodia to grow up in an orphanage?

A silly and facile point made too often my the army of rationalists and apologists for buyers of babies.

We can never know for sure what might of become of that child if left to its own destiny but in any event if there was such concern for that child then it would have been a trivial matter for Jolie to have assured a secure future without her having to aquire the baby.

There are an number of alternatives which refute the notion that is was for the babies benefit? It may be a byproduct of the needs of jolie being satisfied but the point is that it is all about what Jolie wanted and her needs and wants not the child.

if I was a single guy who came across a beautiful young homeless woman, would it be ok if I had them coe live with me coz I could take care of them and love them [lets say not physically]? and that example is of an ADULT not a helpless CHILD.

My aunt adopted a child from Cambodia and she's doing really well in Canada.

What has that to do with anything? Does it mean that you agree with inter country adoptions? just because your aunt may indeed be a very nice person and AS A BYPRODUCT the child is doing well. How will she [the child] feel when she is an adult and stripped of her cultural heritage connection/indentity.

Who is to say that she would not have been better off left in her own world? maybe if all such ppl put the time and energy into imroving the lot of people in the poorer countries [fair trade] then there would not be the gross inequality and poverty that allows one group to aqquire babies from another?

If perchance Jolie, wasn't a rich, movie star, and was an "average" person, would you be so critical?

No less so. The difference is that with these crazy celebs [and yes they are all pretty much crazy] we know about it! Also they get to use and abuse the media attention when it suits them and often they circumvent normal rules and procedures that us common folk have to abide by.

Nevertheless to my mind it is still very wrong and regrettable to have any adoptions let alone inter country adoptions as it always ends up being about money and the abuse of it at the expense of those that dont have it. or as I mentioned above it is all about satisfying a need of the would be adopter and not the child. If the child does well it is purely a bonus!

[sigmundyfruedy]

The Doc's got a point

A totally spurious and superfical point.

It's wonderful for the child, who will now be famous and wealthy.

Exactly the sort of evidence that proves my point. What THE HECK KIND OF ASSUMPTION IS IT THAT SAYS JUST COZ U ARE RICH AND FAMOUS ur somehow better off. There is more than enough evidence that the rates of unhappiness and well being for these people are alot less then the normal folk!

More likely the kid will be screwed up in the head and his life willnnever be his own having had his anoynomity taken away at the very outset of his life.

[sigmundyfruedy]

That kid's own father was in favour of the move.

That is not at all clear as we never spoke to the father and dont know what actual alternatives he was presented with. In anyevent he had been cycling many miles to see the child at the weekends - harldy the act of someone who had abandned the child. Now lets supose someone said they would pay for the cost of the child etc would the Father have said no to rasing his own son without the financial worries of his situation and the situation that pertains in the country?

Madonna has the money and time to devote to giving that kid more opportunities than he would ever have had otherwise.

Well apparently not the time! It was the assitant to had the baby at the airport and whisked him away. And ur saying money is a reason to make everything ok! Ok then yiou agree that is ok to buy babies. fair enough we just disagree about that then.

Once the initial media glare fades, the kid may even have a chance for a fairly normal upbringing.

Are u nuts? Normal wiht that fruitcake mad donna? Like most clebs of that ilk she is only inches away from insanity. those ppl dont live in the real world they create their own little world.

The kid had family there, but none of them stepped up and offered to take care of him, so what's so wrong with it?

If it is true that the family did not take care of him and put him in home etc what has that to do with us? Its Malawi! thousands of miles from the UK or USA with little or no connections. Now if you are in the market for a baby and you wanna buy one then apparently malawi is worth a look! just a question of money! And that is whats wrong with it! Humans become comodities and acessories by such attitudes.

[The_Limey]

Goodbye cruel world

[The_Limey]

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[i_love_som_tam]

Who is Madonna? :?

[sigmundyfruedy]

Why is it that when Jolie did it (twice) she was a bloody saint?

According to who? I try to not pay attention to the lives of these crazy celebs and would be hapy if I never heard anything of their lives. However they sometimes do intrude on my life as I do wathc TV and well thye are often in the news.

To my mind this jolie is just as much a nut as mad donna and no less selfish. If i had my way I would have her mind a cat! Lret alone another human being.

And when Madonna wants to do some good (which she has countless of times)

Just coz someone has the capaicity to do some good that celbrity gratns them hardly qualifies for much of anything. I imagine you or I do far more good as human beings than that self absorbed nut job will ever be able to. Sure if I had a few 100 million I reckon id do a hell of a lot of good alright.

and giving a child an opportunity he could never has otherwise dreamed of.....she's a baby buyer.

Well there is little doubt that she circumvented the adoptions laws of that country and as she gave a few million [MONEY] to some sort of body/organisation there i think it not unreasonable to equate this as more or less buying a baby.

She wanted a black baby boy and she got one! Never mind that she lives in a country thousands of miles from malawi etc.

Why? Cos she's a material girl???????

Get a life and leave her and the baby alone.

well there is that too! by her own words thats what she is, but i tend to have no interest in her words so we will ignore that. Its only show business

As for leaving her alone? happy to do so but it doesnt change the facts of her being a baby buyer.

To my mind its a kinder more gentler form of the slave trade as in the child is now more or less the property of mad donna and wont be free till 18 or until mad donna gets bored with the chid and concept.

[sigmundyfruedy]

Who is Madonna? :?

You will note i never mentioned that name

I said MAD DONNA

Surely we all know a mad donna

[sigmundyfruedy]

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well said!

[PosH]

What if you are one of those orphan .

And someone famous or just a normal people willing to adopt you . Would you prefer to stay in an orpahnage or would you go with them ?

I mean I've worked on a lot of cases of people here in NY adopting a child from some other part of the world . Just that they are not famous enough to have their story of how much money they have paid to get the child into the states . How hard do they have to go thru all the paper works , the lawyer , the immigration and a lot more on the news .

It's not easy , could take forever and alot of heartache . I wouldn't call it buying and selling as we all knew kids need love , caring and alot more . They won't get any or enough of that when all the people who's working in an orpahnage have to take care of ton of kids in the same time .

I'd say , it doesn't hurt anyone and the baby would be a lot more happy then it should be okay . In fact , it's great ...

Go blame to those who keep on making babies when they can't even take care of one and let the child deal with the whole world all alone ..

[marky12345]

Theres over 4000 orphans in the UK (where she lives) waiting to be adopted she could have helped one of them, and gave the 100,000 pound she must have spent on her entourages plane tickets to get to Africa to the father of the little black boy.

It doesnt look as good to the worlds cameras to help a rich priveleged western orphan.