sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/08/02/ap2923464.html Cash for the dissidents. My bet: they have also definetly plans to "help stabilize the Cuba after Fidel by moving in friendly troops, you know, just up hold the peace and security, same way we stabilize and up hold the peace in Iraq". Just because American politicians are so nice, you know. ;-) And no, this is no anti-American rant, just that since the bay of the pigs incident, American POLITICIANS have been keeping up the "horrible beast image" in the minds of the American public, demonizing the whole country of Cuba and keeping it as a hostage for soon 50 years. ps. My second bet: after the "friendly neighborhood peace troops" are in place, there is also McDonalds and all the oil companies present there. You know, just to uphold the peace... And give some familiar food for the troops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Beautiful country so much character and life. Havana is possibly one of the most amazing cities in the world. It is like stepping back 40 years. If u get the chance go before Castro dies, because no doubt the whole place will change and become an extension of over commercialised American tourist spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand? I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand?I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. Exactly my point thanks for confirmation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Beautiful country so much character and life.Havana is possibly one of the most amazing cities in the world. If u get the chance go before Castro dies, because no doubt the whole place will change and become an extension of over commercialised American tourist spots. So true. Friends have been there multiple times, because of the salsa scene there. Oh, and also, most traveling forums and programs say the same thing: go there before it is too late. Cuba was very popular among American tourists before the coup that led to the communist leadership. Was it bad or no, the american tourism? Of course not! Not more than any tourism to any country (which means, bad & good things to economy and environment :-)) -------- And no doubt, Castro was very bad choice as a leader. And definetly, Americans at the most hottest time of the Cold War, had reasons to be very scared, but my point was: As in many other cases, bad leader led to the fact that the civilians suffered most: the trade embargo has kept medicine and foreign help flowing into the country so many unnecessary years. Has it really been necessary to keep this "devil image" alive? Knowing how "dissed" Castro is in foreign, international politics for so long time already. I dunno. But is it so far fetched to suspect, that American peace keeping troops will step into the game when things fall apart? I doubt. USA has already military force there, and I bet they want to protect Guantanamo when things go crazy. And that was the issue I just wanted to raise. Not to bash. Oh, and unfortunatly Castro has brother, so yeah, except no changes when Fidel dies...UNLESS, fingers crossed, there will be a natural uprising of the people to change leadership, without (much) bloodshed (like a velvet revolution...) AND without foreign help. (Forced change from outside, isn't genuine...One should not force change that should rise from the people of independent country?) And is there no doubt that big companies are just waiting to get to those markets and take over Cubas domestic sugar, oil and gas production? Like we haven't seent that happen before. ;-) There is too much to loose and secure for the American domestic policy.The question of illegal immigrants and unstability Castor's death creates not being the least issue. This was mentioned in the article several times. <quote> I gotta admit, though, that this is the first time I've seen America bashed on the basis of a pessimistic alien's idle speculation on a scenario predicated on the death of someone who's still alive. <end of quote> I just kind of put together some things and speculations read and discussed. For example: the article here says that Us government has been long time making plans to prepare for Castro's death (not to mention all those times CIA tried to make this death occur a bit faster LOL)! So, was it just me who has been "pessimisticly" discussing this subject. I didn't think it was bashing, because I just referred to neutral truth that is all open and out there to read? I am sorry. And Prozac, yeah, maybe, :-) after all, all current crisis in the world, I think Berlin airlift -thing should be done to all corners of the Earth at this moment, to calm down people a lot! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand?I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. Exactly my point thanks for confirmation Well, it's not a confirmation if you think the Americans had much to do with the over-commercialization of Thai tourist spots. Thais, more than anyone else, are responsible for that. And if they learned much from outsiders or had much help, it mostly came from Europeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 "help stabilize the Cuba after Fidel by moving in friendly troops, you know, just up hold the peace and security, same way we stabilize and up hold the peace in Iraq". Is this a quote that you pulled out of your ass or is this something that I missed in the Forbes article? And no, this is no anti-American rant Bullsh*t. The chances are that, if Castro dies and his brother steps down so that democracy could come to Cuba, the United Nations would step in to monitor any electoral process and help to stabilize the country by providing an international peacekeeping force, human rights advisors, UNICEF and WFP workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 La Cosa Nostra. it doesn't exist. just ask them. and j. edgar hoover, if he were around :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand?I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. Exactly my point thanks for confirmation Well, it's not a confirmation if you think the Americans had much to do with the over-commercialization of Thai tourist spots. Thais, more than anyone else, are responsible for that. And if they learned much from outsiders or had much help, it mostly came from Europeans. I used your comment as a good example of how over commercialsism spoils so much of what is natural. My parents went to sleepy places like Koh Samui and Phuket in 1982 and cant believe they way it is now. My point being Cuba is an amazing place and much of its character will go once the western commercail world (in this case americans) steps in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Americans will step in to the tourism sector, for sure. But so will a lot of other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Americans will step in to the tourism sector, for sure. But so will a lot of other people. there is already a large international tourism sector there. america will have to play catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 "help stabilize the Cuba after Fidel by moving in friendly troops, you know, just up hold the peace and security, same way we stabilize and up hold the peace in Iraq". Is this a quote that you pulled out of your ass or is this something that I missed in the Forbes article? Out of my ass. That was a definite sarcastic comment. Because hopefully, IF things go crazy, and USA sees it necessary to secure the area, politicians will send this time enough troops to Cuba, and not make the miscalculation (?) as in Iraq. Not enough peace keeping troops early on in Iraq I have understood was one of the reasons it got more messy? What is your insiders take on this i_love_somtam? Because, not enough police or peace keeping troops in time of turmoil and disturbance, bad thing right? The chances are that, if Castro dies and his brother steps down so that democracy could come to Cuba, the United Nations would step in to monitor any electoral process and help to stabilize the country by providing an international peacekeeping force, human rights advisors, UNICEF and WFP workers. Oh, hopefully! That would be a dream come true to the whole Cuba! And a true people's revolution would happen. If UN got any teeth and balls and power to do this securing...:? But realistically, who will be there faster: UN or USA? And Castro's bro giving up power...:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Americans will step in to the tourism sector, for sure. But so will a lot of other people. Again , i agree 100% and your conforming what i am saying. The difference between now and a possible post Castro is at the moment Americans, by their own choice, are absent. It?s on their door step and perfect new destination. I?m sure given the chance they will come in the 1,000's to visit this mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Americans will step in to the tourism sector, for sure. But so will a lot of other people. there is already a large international tourism sector there. america will have to play catch up. And unfortunatly the tourists money is going into wrong pockets. It is totally government controlled. Tourists pay extra so much (hmmm, tourist price vs. local price, sounds familiar ) Locals working in those most expensive resorts etc..., and others, the little foreign currency flowing in to the country, isn't really trickling down to the layman's pockets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand?I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. you mean, moving *back* in don't you? after all, it's been a few decades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee_Moose Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Had some mates who went on rugby tour to Cuba recently. I dont know how much rugby they played but it sounded like a great tour. Although, what goes on tour, stays on tour. It would be a crying shame if the place became open to all. Canadian tourists love going there cuz its the only place in the Carribean where they can get peace and quiet from loud tourists. Know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 America is barely even concerned about Cuba, except for all the Cubans living on the east coast praying for Castro's death, we have no trade and no political ties to Cuba. Our politicians do demonize Cuba in regards to its Human Rights record, which is abysmal and deserves every ounce of criticism it gets. As for holding Cuba hostage, get a clue, Castro is the one who murders his own citizens when they try to flee the island for America or any other country, Cuba is currently the world?s largest prison. True. And the reason ofcourse of no political and trade ties is obvious. But there is no reason to believe that there would not be economical interests in the area after the fall of communism as it currently exists in Cuba. It will be left to seen, to what extent that will happen. Because there is no doubt that Castro WILL eventually die. Fingers crossed, his brother won't take over (yeah,, sure)... Maybe after fall of Fidel Castros dynasty, maybe they "go China"...(I doubt) "Funny" comparison comes to my mind: could China be called the worlds largest medium security prison, if Cuba is worlds largest high security prison? www.hrw.org http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Business/060706_cuba.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Uh... FYI.... Most Cubans are not happy with their current government but are powerless to change it. The US will not send any forces into Cuba but will reinstate diplomatic ties should a non communist government take root. The US will provide economic support and yes 1,000's of Americans will flock there to vacation, I hardly think the influx of US dollars would be damaging to the Cuban economy. I know they are not happy with it. They just cope. :-( Beautiful, touching movie to watch: Havana Blues. If you just get your hands on it, full of good (rock & modern cuban) music and watch it with someone special (it is also very touching movie). Modern day Cuba. ---- Oh, I wish those tourists influxing the country wont be a) sex tourists looking for Cuban a*s or just getting their hands on those currently illegal Cuban cigars. But, uncontrolled, fast change...creates lots of illegal ways to profit. Example of economy that came down fast and suddenly and then started growing vastly, and it's side effects, is Russia, full of business men who profited buying old governmental companies under price or cheating their new fortune some other way. :-S It will be hard time for cubans even if only thing happening is Castro's bro taking power...My guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Over-commercialized tourist spots? Have you been to Thailand?I'll tell you who already has big plans to move into Cuba in a big way after Castro's death: La Cosa Nostra. you mean, moving *back* in don't you? after all, it's been a few decades... Yes and no. From what I've read (and don't believe everything you read) it's the Italy-based La Cosa Nostra that is already laying the groundwork to move in. I don't recall that being their turf before. I'm sure, however, that some Stateside "families" are also planning on a homecoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Cuba is currently the world?s largest prison. Don't tell the Australians, you know how competitive they get :shock: Sorry...this post is unrelated to the topic but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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