chtz Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Like a lot of folks I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check?...Because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their butt, doing drugs, while I work. . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Please write your congressman & senator and pass this along if you agree Congressman Directory - http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Senators Directory - http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Ok, now PiAnts nervous breakdown, my dinner and the little one's bedtime stories are out the way, can give a more reasoned reply to your not well thought out idea. 1) Urine testing of employees is draconian, Orwellian and several other epithets ending in -ian that I cannot be bothered thinking of just now. Unless you are in a high risk job (pilot, neurosurgeon etc) they are a gross invasion of privacy and yet another example of corporate control. What if a person, at the end of a working week, and in the privacy of their own home, decides to smoke some weed. By the time they return to work on the Monday, there are no effects of the marijuana left, yet traces will remain in their urine for up to 28 days. Of course, to avoid getting caught, they could switch to heroin; out your system in around 48 hours so clear urine. Though of course they then may get addicted which will possibly not only affect their working practices, but their home life, family, finances and health. Now, fair enough if an employee?s behaviour gives rise to concerns by their superiors; then ask for a test to be done and, if positive, support that person into treatment rather than dismissing them from company. 2) So let's say the world goes a little bit mad and passes such ludicrous policies as you suggest onto the statute books. Do you think all of a sudden every drug dependant person on welfare/benefits is suddenly going to get straight and get a job? (Just thinking from a sociological perspective, never mind the world wide recession and current lack of jobs). No, what's going to happen is that, if not already involved in crime, they will become involved. (And also remember that by far the largest % of crime these days is acquisitive for drugs). So, the crime rate is going to spiral out of control, the government is going to have to vastly increase funding to law enforcement, and guess what Mr Taxpayer, YOUR taxes are going to see a huge increase from present levels in order to pay for that. And then, because of the increase in crime, all the insurance companies are going to make huge increases in the costs of insurance policies, so YOU pay out again. So rather than your current level of taxes partly subsidising welfare or benefits, instead you will make a meagre saving initially (if any; you really think the government will cut taxes? Or will they just say 'oh no, we now have to spend this money on x, y or z?? followed by a BIG increase in both taxes and insurance costs. Hey, that's a winning idea isn't it? 3) So, are you just going to give all drug users a blanket ban? Or are you going to try and differentiate between those who use substances as a psychological crutch due to some sort of trauma like sexual abuse or rape, and those who are just a waste of space and uses 'because they want to'. Is the urine test going to differentiate between 'recreational drugs' and 'hard drugs' or is your world so pristine and god-fearing that they all deserve to burn in hell. There is nothing worse in the field of substance use/abuse than someone coming up with or supporting ideas based on nothing more than a lot of moralistic self interest based twaddle. Wake up and smell the coffee!! Prohibition DOES NOT work, yet the ideas you propose/support actually tighten the noose of a long failed policy round the already suffering neck of logic and common sense. How about we do something that might actually work? Controversial idea I know; trying out a policy that may, in time achieve something. Let's start with drug education; instead of filling kids' heads with patronising semi-truths and fallacies that, in 2008, they can discover are utter **** with a click of a mouse, let's be honest; let's talk about dangers and non dangers in a completely truthful way. So that should start cutting the number of new drug users, so let's turn our attention to the existing ones; let's get them into maintenance and support programmes so that when they are at the right place in the cycle of change, they are already involved with a system that they trust and that will help them to get rid of their dependency. And by doing all that, we are also reducing the illicit drugs on the streets; organised crime is hit financially, acquisitive crime drops very substantially, therefore police can chase more real criminals rather than pot smoking kids and old hippies scoring some tabs of acid. You will NEVER achieve zero drug use, but it can be cut by huge percentages, and the follow on effects are many and positive. And hey, who knows, follow that path and you may REALLY be in with a chance of a tax cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 why you worried about others piss ant. Dam facist pecker checkin snapper watchin perverts sheeeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 why you worried about others piss ant. Dam facist pecker checkin snapper watchin perverts sheeeez Eagle...have you been imbibing of some good old sippin whiskey or other ahem substances? You seem to have lost your usual eloquence this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbes Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Is the OP working for 'Golden Showers Video Int.' by any chance?! 8) :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Is the OP working for 'Golden Showers Video Int.' by any chance?! 8) :twisted: Either that or The Startled Ostrich Corporation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 why you worried about others piss ant. Dam facist pecker checkin snapper watchin perverts sheeeez Eagle...have you been imbibing of some good old sippin whiskey or other ahem substances? You seem to have lost your usual eloquence this evening no I just get pissed when someone wants to see everyone pissin in a cup cause he has too. I hear people bitchin about those welfare lazy asses ,but alot of the people on welfare have no choice. I'm more concerned about the rich pigs like Bush and Cheney ripping us all off when they are already rich. Feed them pigs to the poor i say and I'm sober here....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 why you worried about others piss ant. Dam facist pecker checkin snapper watchin perverts sheeeez Eagle...have you been imbibing of some good old sippin whiskey or other ahem substances? You seem to have lost your usual eloquence this evening no I just get pissed when someone wants to see everyone pissin in a cup cause he has too. I hear people bitchin about those welfare lazy asses ,but alot of the people on welfare have no choice. I'm more concerned about the rich pigs like Bush and Cheney ripping us all off when they are already rich. Feed them pigs to the poor i say and I'm sober here....... cool - as u will have read in my post, we are reading from same page mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 why you worried about others piss ant. Dam facist pecker checkin snapper watchin perverts sheeeez Eagle...have you been imbibing of some good old sippin whiskey or other ahem substances? You seem to have lost your usual eloquence this evening no I just get pissed when someone wants to see everyone pissin in a cup cause he has too. I hear people bitchin about those welfare lazy asses ,but alot of the people on welfare have no choice. I'm more concerned about the rich pigs like Bush and Cheney ripping us all off when they are already rich. Feed them pigs to the poor i say and I'm sober here....... cool - as u will have read in my post, we are reading from same page mate... yea people but into the whole drug war BS. Most drug users are not robbing and killing people just doing. Mind your own business and stop listening to propaganda trying to support laws with false info. If they really gave a **** about using laws to save lives cigarettes and alcohol would be illegal. Its about health after all isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Nope it's about tax - cigarettes and alcohol earn billion sin tax whether there or here - and every freakin governement are right in the pockets of the brewers and the tobacco giants... if you couldnt grow it yourself, they would legalise weed tomorrow, it would be made by the tobacco giants and they and the govt would take a big fat profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Nope it's about tax - cigarettes and alcohol earn billion sin tax whether there or here - and every freakin governement are right in the pockets of the brewers and the tobacco giants...if you couldnt grow it yourself, they would legalise weed tomorrow, it would be made by the tobacco giants and they and the govt would take a big fat profit its all about money I know anyway you look at it money rules :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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