Ngairo Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Go to a lady boy cabaret No need....your stil lhere.....perfect...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMG_UK Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 here i generally stick with what they're good at. i like several of the thai desserts but don't know what they're called. when i do have dessert it's usually mango with sticky rice--simple, and done right, amazing. good choice. I agree. Kidney beans, sweet corn, syrup and crushed ice do not make a proper desert in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbroker Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 9. Get a 'good' deal on a fake rolex now, i understand the "concept" of why some farangs go for bargirl - when they cant be able to get a good gf. so, simply get a bargirl. thats becasue its very easy and its just there available, it takes no effort. they can just have one. This is excellent insight but it's much deeper than that. This "concept" pervades everything. It boils down to how one chooses to spend (values) time. From how and where one lives to what one does or doesn't do to the various "hooker dating" rationalizations, as detailed in other threads. This, in a country where it appears at least that foreign males are in heavy demand by the local females versus the slightest effort. It is that slight effort, of course, which makes all the difference; effort equates to work and having something to offer the other party beyond 1000 baht. The issue is not the capacity to get a good gf. Or to enjoy life's finer things, however that is defined. The issue is whether it is even given serious consideration as an option at all, due to choice, ignorance or whatever. When the time comes for the conversation to progress past "Where you go?" "What your name?" "How long you stay Thailand?" "Where you stay?" "I go with you." there just isn't much to chat about. Which makes the bargirl and a certain foreigner type a perfect long-term match for each other. This is not my judgement on NguuMuu's top 10 or assessment of him personally. just like when they cant get a real rolex. simply get a fake one. :roll: Then critisize/demonize those that do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 It is that slight effort, of course, which makes all the difference; effort equates to work and having something to offer the other party beyond 1000 baht. The issue is not the capacity to get a good gf. Or to enjoy life's finer things, however that is defined. The issue is whether it is even given serious consideration as an option at all, due to choice, ignorance or whatever. Just a comment, dont know did you meant this sarcastically or not...doesn't matter because just noting in general that this kind of explanation sounded like most rationalizations of "getting" a gf, or man/female relationships that in "theory" could be rationalized down to economic transactions and effort. Economic theory of relationships or something. "Marriage is business", "in trad. western marriage, woman has all to gain, man all to loose when men provide the starting equity when a woman marries "up in the ladder" and man has half the money to loose and woman all to gain" etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispilok Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 It is that slight effort, of course, which makes all the difference; effort equates to work and having something to offer the other party beyond 1000 baht. The issue is not the capacity to get a good gf. Or to enjoy life's finer things, however that is defined. The issue is whether it is even given serious consideration as an option at all, due to choice, ignorance or whatever. Just a comment, dont know did you meant this sarcastically or not...doesn't matter because just noting in general that this kind of explanation sounded like most rationalizations of "getting" a gf, or man/female relationships that in "theory" could be rationalized down to economic transactions and effort. Economic theory of relationships or something. "Marriage is business", "in trad. western marriage, woman has all to gain, man all to loose when men provide the starting equity when a woman marries "up in the ladder" and man has half the money to loose and woman all to gain" etc etc. It's unclear to me whether vBroker was calling those who buy fake rolexes and date bargirls irrational for their choices or whether he disaproves of their values. (sorry this should be quoting vBroker's post but yours puts frames it in terms of rational choices which is a good way of looking at it I think.) I for one could care less about luxury watches. Does that make me "lazy", possessing the wrong values, or irrational? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsnow Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I for one could care less about luxury watches. Does that make me "lazy", possessing the wrong values, or irrational? I don't get it. But what would be your rationale in the first place of buying a fake watch? If your idea is to own something that shows off your wealth, then the fake one just wont do depending on the crowd o ppl you hang around with this fake watch (it can fool the joes in your local pub thus making you rich in their eyes but it won't fool anyone in hi-so ppl meeting ). If the point is to show wealth AND own a damn high quality watch, then the fake one wont do either. Hmm, I'd say you would be irrational to buy a fake Rolex in case you are not buying it for just the point of having a piece of stuff that shows you time. (Fake Rolexes are quite expensive watches to just function as time keepers, so on a second thought I would not accet this rationale either ) Damn it, back to irrational watch buyer you! Anyway, as I said it too, I did not know vbrokers intention if he said in serious "thought possibility" or just sarcastically, but nevertheless, there is "school of thought" that could indeed find a rationale for using the services of women of dubious profession (or rationale or irrationale for marriage or dating to that matter). If this "rationale" is just "self-explaning to yourself" for generally not accepted behavior...that's another thing. TOP 10: Go to watch the annual soccer match between Chula and Thammasat. Attend a muay thai course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispilok Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I for one could care less about luxury watches. Does that make me "lazy", possessing the wrong values, or irrational? I don't get it. But what would be your rationale in the first place of buying a fake watch? If your idea is to own something that shows off your wealth, then the fake one just wont do depending on the crowd o ppl you hang around with this fake watch (it can fool the joes in your local pub thus making you rich in their eyes but it won't fool anyone in hi-so ppl meeting ). If the point is to show wealth AND own a damn high quality watch, then the fake one wont do either. Hmm, I'd say you would be irrational to buy a fake Rolex in case you are not buying it for just the point of having a piece of stuff that shows you time. (Fake Rolexes are quite expensive watches to just function as time keepers, so on a second thought I would not accet this rationale either ) Damn it, back to irrational watch buyer you! Well I wear a casio But...maybe the fake rolex buyer does just want to impress his mates down at the pub. Elitists can have a good scoff at him but can you say he is behaviing irrationally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NguuMuu Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I'm really confused about how my comment got related to bar girls. I think it's a terrible analogy to use if you're trying to get an understanding, but anyway I would like to add something else: Maybe some of your aren't familiar, but one of the big appeals of fake watches is simply the quality of the fake! Trust me, many people (not all of course) -- at least that I know -- will readily admit they have a fake watch and show off the quality of it. I could buy a fake watch in NYC for $5 no problem, but that is generally much lower quality than one from Patpong which would be about $30-$40. And even then, I have seen some shops which have very high quality fakes (pratunam area) going for $200 ++. I don't know much about watches, but the quality is noticeable. Not to mention many people think rolexes, omegas, etc look way better than low end brands such as casio. Also, I don't think all the owners of fakes really care so much whether they have the rolex brand....it's more a factor that they have a great looking watch. Now I am not denying that there are many people who buy the watches simply to give off a false presnetation of themsleves, I am just trying to show there may be some other customer segments. **You can replace the word watch with almost any other fake item in the paragraph above And for the record, I don't wear a watch at all. I never have purchased a watch of any kind, and certainly not a fake rolex. Despite that I see no problems in owning one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I'm really confused about how my comment got related to bar girls. I think it's a terrible analogy to use if you're trying to get an understanding u r obviously new here .... once u've been around a while u'll get used to these threads veering off topic ... all part of the fun of TF ..... i think !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbroker Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 ...dont know did you meant this sarcastically or not...doesn't matter because just noting in general that this kind of explanation sounded like most rationalizations of "getting" a gf, or man/female relationships that in "theory" could be rationalized down to economic transactions and effort. No sarcasm. If one wishes to attract a self respecting woman, chances are one will have to bring something to her table. For some guys, this is effortless; it comes naturally through years of practice and habit. For others it is more of a challenge. The point is you have to bring something and this involves effort or work. If you have/bring nothing (confidence, charm, appearance, intelligence, work ethic, humor, conversation, wit, etc.) it is just easier and convenient to buy the service. The service provider only expects cash. The problems may arise later when the service evolves into a relationship. Then the rationalizing starts. Quite amusing. What is missed here is in the long run it is LESS work to date a normal girl versus a bargirl, taking everything into consideration. The instant gratification guy tends not to bother to look much beyond what's happening now and therefore can't or won't register that. Again, apparent time and effort expenditure. After all, if you don't respect yourself, how can you be expected to respect anyone else? It's unclear to me whether vBroker was calling those who buy fake rolexes and date bargirls irrational for their choices or whether he disaproves of their values. I attended university with a current friend. We both wore Rolex knock offs then (called them Prolex) aspiring one day to own the real thing. Today he earns something like U.S. $500,000 and only when his 40th birthday arrived in '05 did he stop wearing knock offs because he received a real watch gift. Prior to this I would ask if he felt apprehension wearing a fake watch while meeting colleagues wearing the real thing. It didn't seem to matter to him. To answer the question, it all depends on perspective and the individual. Very few things are absolute. I for one could care less about luxury watches. Does that make me "lazy", possessing the wrong values, or irrational? I don't get it. Of course not. It's not about luxury goods. Someone with limited physical possessions may be rich in many other things. On the other hand, history is rife with suicides who, on the surface appeared happy with all their luxury possessions. It's all about who you are i.e. what your mindset is, who and what you place value on and spend time doing. The comments were based on the poster's (venus) I thought intuitive correllation between someone projecting something false (Prolex wearer) and someone rationalizing a "false" relationship. It is neither a strict rule nor does it apply to everyone. Get it now? Elitists can have a good scoff... So Rolex, Omega, Vacheron, Cartier, Mercedes, Ferrari, Armani, Versace, etc. owners and consumers are all scoffing elitists? I know you didn't say those exact words but it can be construed that way. No doubt some are elitists. But if someone referred to a pauper as a loser for nothing other than lack of money or possessions than I might think the person making the observation to be the loser. Or lacking in enough information to make such a sweeping statement. Thanks for making my point for me. There is nothing "wrong" with the top ten list above. Again to venus' point, if your visit to BKK is once and one week, chances are many of the items would not be worth the time versus other alternatives. If you live or visit there often, it is a different story. Perspective is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispilok Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Of course not. It's not about luxury goods. Someone with limited physical possessions may be rich in many other things. On the other hand, history is rife with suicides who, on the surface appeared happy with all their luxury possessions. It's all about who you are i.e. what your mindset is, who and what you place value on and spend time doing. The comments were based on the poster's (venus) I thought intuitive correllation between someone projecting something false (Prolex wearer) and someone rationalizing a "false" relationship. It is neither a strict rule nor does it apply to everyone. Get it now? . Yeah I get it. You explained it very well. I have to say though, I don't really see the connection between the fake rolex wearer and the bar girl dater other than they are behaviors it seems some people don't approve of. To me, your college buddy is probably more typical of the fake rolex wearer. He's not trying to project something false. He just thinks its a nice looking watch that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberus1264 Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 I'll be right next to Wallace.....Burp...( ooooops ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deester Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 only 1 thing ~ drink till I die ~ only 1 thing ~ eat till I die ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 only 1 thing ~ drink till I die ~ that 400 baht "drink all u can" offer is made for u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_lung Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 only 1 thing ~ drink till I die ~ Wanna bet on who dies first, Wallace? Well, if I die first, good luck on getting me to pay up! lol Admittedly I can't keep up with yout beer intake. But for an old fart, I do pretty well! You don't have to worry until your liver turns green like mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 I'm really confused about how my comment got related to bar girls. I think it's a terrible analogy to use if you're trying to get an understanding, but anyway I would like to add something else: i have said a word "concept", havent i ? :roll: the same concept - easy, zero effort, & lack of respect. i would consider to date a man who wears a caiso rather than a man who wears a fake rolex. to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizonte Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Trigger a Coup Do a Leveraged Buy-out of TG/PG/FD/OX and leave with a Golden Parachute Start my Restaurant Chain Oh well so many things Id do in BKK before I die, but most of all one thing Find a successful career in BKK and get a work permit and have a nice place to live and do well in my new job in BKK. that would be what I want to do before I die. Get a decent job in BKK. (pretty impossible due to my disability) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). now to me this is just crazy (not something i'd usually say about something posted by Venus). how can u possibly equate buying a fake rolex (or whatever) with paying a hooker for sex !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NguuMuu Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 the same concept - easy, zero effort, & lack of respect. This still makes no sense. How would owning a fake rolex imply that you are lazy and lack respect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). now to me this is just crazy (not something i'd usually say about something posted by Venus). how can u possibly equate buying a fake rolex (or whatever) with paying a hooker for sex !!! have to agree. paying for a shag certainly has its detractors, and isn't for all. i'm not a fan myself. HOWEVER, one thing it is, is honest. it certainly CAN be done without anyone deceiving anyone. i'm not interested in singing along but i can respect that. wearing a fake watch is likely, inadvertantly or otherwise, to decieve someone. it's pretty harmless; worrying seriously about it is a sign of insanity (unless you work for, or have stock in, one of the overpriced bling watch companies). however, if you modify what she slightly to focus on someone who DATES bargirls, and take out the part about getting shags--then i think it's a more interesting and apt comparison. some fake rolexes are better than others; think about those farrangs you see in decent restaurants with obvious fake rolexes i mean obvious bar girls in tow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanUsa Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). now to me this is just crazy (not something i'd usually say about something posted by Venus). how can u possibly equate buying a fake rolex (or whatever) with paying a hooker for sex !!! have to agree. paying for a shag certainly has its detractors, and isn't for all. i'm not a fan myself. HOWEVER, one thing it is, is honest. it certainly CAN be done without anyone deceiving anyone. i'm not interested in singing along but i can respect that. however, if you modify what she slightly to focus on someone who DATES bargirls, and take out the part about getting shags--then i think it's a more interesting and apt comparison. some fake rolexes are better than others; think about those farrangs you see in decent restaurants with obvious fake rolexes i mean obvious bar girls in tow... Big problem about paying for a shag, the guy is paying for having fun, the girl is "going through the motions" to get the Baht, so no balance. If the girl I'm with isn't having fun, then I'm not interested. No amount of Baht will make a girl interested in a guy. Of course there are girls out there who try super hard to "act" interested if enough Baht is shoveled their way. Bad Girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_blueeyes Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I'm really confused about how my comment got related to bar girls. I think it's a terrible analogy to use if you're trying to get an understanding, but anyway I would like to add something else: i have said a word "concept", havent i ? :roll: the same concept - easy, zero effort, & lack of respect. i would consider to date a man who wears a caiso rather than a man who wears a fake rolex. to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). I'm trying to see where you're going with this....I can sorta understand what you mean if the motivation of the fake Rolex-buyer is to own an expensive watch, but since he can't be bothered to save up enough money to buy the real thing goes for the fake one. Kinda like the guy who is too lazy to look for a real g/f paying for sex? If this is what u mean...then i think i understand. On the other hand, as other ppl pointed out, there are lots of other reasons to buy a "fake" good. The watch i wear was purchased in vietnam for $3, and in my opinion there is nothing *fake* about it since it REALLY tells the time!! Whats more its a damn good looking watch. It does say "rado" on it, and since i doubt it was manufactured by rado then it is a knock-off....but personaly i couldnt care less about the label, even if it had no label at all i still would've bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 to me : someone who supports fake products (just for the sake of having them) is not better or not diffirent from someone who dates bargirls (just for the sake of getting some shags). now to me this is just crazy (not something i'd usually say about something posted by Venus). how can u possibly equate buying a fake rolex (or whatever) with paying a hooker for sex !!! have to agree. paying for a shag certainly has its detractors, and isn't for all. i'm not a fan myself. HOWEVER, one thing it is, is honest. it certainly CAN be done without anyone deceiving anyone. i'm not interested in singing along but i can respect that. wearing a fake watch is likely, inadvertantly or otherwise, to decieve someone. it's pretty harmless; worrying seriously about it is a sign of insanity (unless you work for, or have stock in, one of the overpriced bling watch companies). however, if you modify what she slightly to focus on someone who DATES bargirls, and take out the part about getting shags--then i think it's a more interesting and apt comparison. some fake rolexes are better than others; think about those farrangs you see in decent restaurants with obvious fake rolexes i mean obvious bar girls in tow... now listen up. I said "easy, zero effort, & lack of respect." :roll: I'm trying to see where you're going with this....I can sorta understand what you mean if the motivation of the fake Rolex-buyer is to own an expensive watch, but since he can't be bothered to save up enough money to buy the real thing goes for the fake one. Kinda like the guy who is too lazy to look for a real g/f paying for sex? If this is what u mean...then i think i understand. at least, someone listens and gets the point. hmmmm cant wait for my son to starting talking - then i can start to learn how to speak good english. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 the same concept - easy, zero effort, & lack of respect. This still makes no sense. How would owning a fake rolex imply that you are lazy and lack respect? ermmmmmmm and how old is this bloke ? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 What's wrong with wearing fake ... (whatever item) and/or going out with bargirl !!! . sometimes, its best to say nothing at all. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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