Horizonte Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Horizonte - do you think the condition of the plane might have had some bearing on its ability to withstand the crash?Aren't there regulations that these kinds of things have to be checked? Is enforcement a problem? Microburst is most likely reason, thats why Americans do not land planes in Thunderstorms! in the US. we either do not land or we divert. This most likely is not the aircraft itself, but possibly it went through a microburst which may have caused a violent drop in altitude and hit the ground too soon. windshears are often more avoidable, the plane would have ballooned for a while before slamming into the ground. in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeJay Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 sory but read the facts before reaction pilot tried to abort the landing and take off again, probaly due to havy rain and seve winds he was swept of the runway just a question. how many hours of flights do YOU have ? imho it is still a pilot failure and has nothing to do with the state of maintenance ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I'm sure that if you work for the airline it is painful as you must feel some responsibility. Even if the airline is not at fault in any way, people you are transporting are in your care. And you've lost people (pilots, crew) too. But it is natural that people will start asking questions as to why it happened and speculating about answers right away. It's human nature. Yes, let's wait for the results of a proper investigation before making accusations or placing blame on anyone or anything. As far as I know, Mr Udom and the airline do have good reputations. It's a sad time for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2508 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Wot da bad news! Soooo horrible. RIP God bless you all survivors and hugs for all families. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammy Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 just a question. how many hours of flights do YOU have ? A wrong decision in a second could lead to a disaster. Either he has had 5000 hrs or 500 hrs. Pilots are no God.. thats for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afook06 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Don't travel in bad weather............. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce551 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Website to check to weather with satellite photos for Thailand. http://intranet.mssinet.gov.sg/marine/ Today's Sat. Pic. If I was weatherman 8) I'd say not good day to fly to Phuket, too many clouds, which means possibility rain mixed with squalls, squalls in Phuket this time of year can have very strong winds. Notice upper right side of photo, look likes Typhoon headed for Taiwan. The Typhoon is very low pressure center which tends to "suck" bad weather from Indian ocean to west coast (Phuket) of Thailand. So sad to hear about Phuket plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 imho it is still a pilot failure and has nothing to do with the state of maintenance ... Well, but was it pilot failure? We really don't know at this point. Considering how the weather conditions have been described, it's a fair question to ask if air traffic controllers should have been allowing planes to land at that time. There may be factors of which we are not aware. Best to wait for the results of the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Well me and a bunch of mates are effectively stranded at Phuket for the moment - here are a few of the rumours doing the rounds.... 1-2-Go is likely to come under a lot of flak as: (1) The plane - an MD 82 - was 24 years old and was doing 6 return flights a day from Bangkok to Phuket. (2) The pilot was Indonesian - arent all pilots on domestic flights supposed to be Thai? just how much experience did he have? Still on a brighter note it appears the emergency crews were on the spot almost immediately - people at the airport, though, had to wait around 4 hours to be told they werent going anywhere. Shame on Thai Airways who have supposedly raised the cost of their flight from Phuket to Bangkok - one way - to Bt5800 (doubling the airfare) to take advantage of the chaos. The airport should get back to normal fairly quickly. The airport will reopen at 5.00pm today but a lot of the backlog has been cleared by moving passengers from Phuket to Krabi. 1-2-Go has supposedly cancelled all flights for a week. Thai Airways meanwhile are advising travellers to check in as normal from 5pm today. Still as of now there are some 1,300 at the airport trying to sort out flights out of Phuket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 The Nation website said pilot was Thai and co-pilot was an Indonesian who had a lot of experience. I think one of the papers had said the plane was leased, and not anywhere near 24 years old. More like 12 or 14, or something like that. Can't be fun being in Phuket now, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 you have to be a real low life and a prick to be making jokes in a thread about a plane crash in which 90 people have died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 The Nation website said pilot was Thai and co-pilot was an Indonesian who had a lot of experience. Looking at the Nation website I would guess that the pilot - K.Montri - was Thai and that the Captain - Mr Ariff - was Indonesian... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/09/17/headlines/headlines_30049142.php I think one of the papers had said the plane was leased, and not anywhere near 24 years old. More like 12 or 14, or something like that. http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=09162007%AE=HS-OMG&airline=One-Two-GO+by+Orient+Thai To the best of my knowledge the plane was originally delivered in 1983 (see above). It is however leased to 1-2-Go and I believe it has only been in service with them in Phuket since March of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 you have to be a real low life and a prick to be making jokes in a thread about a plane crash in which 90 people have died. Loburt, I already know you don't like my comments. I also think you have to be quite a mod to suggest I should be one of the dead in Iraq, that wasn't good manners either. Your comments to the writer of that journal, and others, justified my comment to you. Why don't you go write another one of your pretentious and psychotic journals (I know you think it's art, what a laugh) where you don't allow any comments so people can't tell you how insane you are. You attack everyone with such contempt, but you don't have the guts or the decency to show yourself on the site. Coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I think one of the papers had said the plane was leased, and not anywhere near 24 years old. More like 12 or 14, or something like that. http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=09162007%AE=HS-OMG&airline=One-Two-GO+by+Orient+Thai To the best of my knowledge the plane was originally delivered in 1983 (see above). It is however leased to 1-2-Go and I believe it has only been in service with them in Phuket since March of this year. '83 seems pretty old. But don't these planes have to pass inspections? And the other question would be, did the age of the aircraft have an role or impact on what happened? Maybe, but not clear at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Sad news indeed. Thoughts and warm wishes to the survivors and the bereaved. This kind of accident (be it 'plane, train or bus) is not wholly uncommon globally but unfortunately the risks are still there however small. Well it also depends what region you're flying in: Indonesia for example has an atrocious record .So bad in fact all airlines ,including Garuda (the national airline) has been banned from flying into the EEC.Fly Adam Air and you might as well sort out the will before you fly. Looking at those Thai Orient/1-2 Go aircraft when taxi-ing at BKK makes you shudder.What a heap of crap those planes are .... Still its perhaps prudent/respectful to wait for the investigations to finish before jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 '83 seems pretty old. But don't these planes have to pass inspections? And the other question would be, did the age of the aircraft have an role or impact on what happened? Maybe, but not clear at this point. If you look at the history of this plane it isnt really the sort of plane that you would like to fly on... http://www.bkkok.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2694 First commissioned for TWA in 1983, then transferred to American Airlines in 2001 and then, in April 2006, stored at Roswell... Now Roswell is a 'Boneyard' - it is where you send planes to die or get chopped up into little pieces and used as spare parts. Somehow this plane got 'resurrected' from Roswell in March of this year and brought to Bangkok/Phuket for a 6 return flights a day schedule.... I just wonder at Bt1300 for a return flight... just how big the corners these airlines are cutting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 '83 seems pretty old. But don't these planes have to pass inspections? And the other question would be, did the age of the aircraft have an role or impact on what happened? Maybe, but not clear at this point. If you look at the history of this plane it isnt really the sort of plane that you would like to fly on... http://www.bkkok.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2694 First commissioned for TWA in 1983, then transferred to American Airlines in 2001 and then, in April 2006, stored at Roswell... Now Roswell is a 'Boneyard' - it is where you send planes to die or get chopped up into little pieces and used as spare parts. Somehow this plane got 'resurrected' from Roswell in March of this year and brought to Bangkok/Phuket for a 6 return flights a day schedule.... I just wonder at Bt1300 for a return flight... just how big the corners these airlines are cutting.... It doesn't sound good, I have to admit. But once again, we don't know at this point whether or not the age and/or condition of the plane had anything to do with what happened. Remember, we did have a Thai Airways plane crash in bad weather at Surat Thani airport and that plane did not come out of a bone yard. When something like this happens, it seems we often find that several things went wrong. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizonte Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I want to fly ISAAN AIR the som tam will relax the turbulence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duanja Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 president of airline first told it was about 12-13 years old. But infact it was reavealed to be 24 years old. http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-md80-49183.htm AC Type: McDonnell Douglas MD-82 Reg: HS-OMG cn: 49183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 in patong, at the time of the crash, there were gale force winds and heavy rain. if the same conditions were present at HKT at the same time then air traffic should have been re-routed or advised to circle until conditions improved. one thing, however, is that when the winds hit patong, they seemed to come from nowhere. calm one minute and the heavy winds and torrential rainfall the next. if the pilot was in the middle of making his landing when this front hit, who can blame him? if he attempted the landing in the midst....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizonte Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 so what 24 isnt an old plane, NW flies Diesel 9s at like almost 40 years old in the US and they work just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammy Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 so what 24 isnt an old plane,NW flies Diesel 9s at like almost 40 years old in the US and they work just fine Hahaha yes, 24 is considered a young plane as i have known some airline (in Malaysia) has the planes aged about 30-40 years old flying up in the sky now. Some even older than Captions and Pilots themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I'm curious as to how the investigation will be handled and by WHOM. You know, I hate to say something like this, but, if the investigation is purely locally handled it wouldn't surprise me if they try to put all or most of the blame on the Indonesia pilot, instead of asking why planes were given permission to land in those conditions. I hope it doesn't turn out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 what was the previous accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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