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Stramash Newbie

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Google - Sinn Fein, Communist, Marxists.

Sinn Fein are Marxists.

So long as you accept Sinn Fein and the IRA are one.

hahahahahahahahah

mate you really need to read more than the Sun

Read the history of the IRA and Sinn Fein. Read why the troubles resurfaced in 69.

Read what happened 69/70 and how the old marxist leadership of Sinn Fein, WHO ESPOUSED EQUAL RIGHTS FOR CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT WORKERS,

were pushed out by the provisionals from then into the early 70's.

The old marxist leadership were against armed struggle - they wanted to use ballot box.

And Marxism does not have to equal communism.

If it hadnt been for Bloody Sunday, the original Sinn Fein might have kept the peace and achieved their aims through strikes and votes.

Read how catholics were treated in 1960's Northern Ireland - heard of apartheid (u probably supported it) Well we had it in Northern ireland in the 60's!!!!

You really are a Sun reading right wing uneducated bigot arent you???

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There is an undoubted marxist streak running right through IRA/SinnFein. Then again so have several senior Nu Labour politicians.

As for newspapers i only read them on the internet for the football and the Sun backs Nu friggen Labour.

Marxism, Communism and Nu Labour are so intertwined theyre as good as one.

As for being right wing i 100% believe in not having my life dictated to by the govt., working hard for what ive got, paying minimal taxes, and closing borders to almost all economic immigrants so yes that proudly qualifies me.

Back to the original point here is an article showing Americans allowing Sinn Fein to fund raise in the US. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm

Iain you really are a Guardian reading left wing apologist.

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Yes the truth is the truth, and the truth of the truth is Winston Churchill was not Prime Minister of England in the late 1930s, now truth man can you give me some real truth.

True.... Neville Chamberlain was.... He signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler along with Stalin. A lot of good it did, huh? He was forced to resign in 1940 bringing in Churchill. The USA was well involved in the war by then by suppling the UK and Russia with munitions, planes and whatever. Beat the uneducated down all you want... your choice. Your PM led you into that war. Your subsequent PM helped you win that war... With a little help from the guys that kicked you out of America :lol:

I was being facisous towards Hectic, everything youve wrote in your previous post is pretty much accepted as fact, Hectics statements are pretty much accepted as fcuken brainless.

Anyway youve Septics fancy coming over again and liberating us from the fascists of the European Union as it only took the germans and Frogs 60 years since WW2 to conquer US, its about the only time youve tasted victory in a war on European soil, may as well give it another try.

With the exception of my slip on the Churchill/Chamberlain mix up, prove your statement.

America did enter the war. The British Gov't did beg us to come over and help out. Lend Lease is a fact. Murmansk is a fact.

That you are ignorant of the history does not make it false. Ask John Keegan. Reference your own great leaders History of the Second Wold War. Which by the way was but the second world war of the 20th Century.

Here is some fcuken brainless Euro history for you. Europe has had a world war twice a century damn near since the fall of Rome. And some of you have the nerve to complain about Bush and Iraq. Bush is a novice compared to the great war mongers and murderers of Europe. You guys love to kill each other. It's been a mere 70 years since your last Global Death Dance. And everyone can tell that you are gearing up to do it all over again.

The only reason that Europe hasn't had another of it's global death parties is because of the Soviet Union and America. The US is the power of the West right now. But we are losing our influence.

Europe is stepping forward or attempting to do so. I give you 30 years before you guys start fighting again. Hundreds of years and you never got it right. But suddenly, your liberal socialism is going to bring you the wisdom to get it right now. lol Sure thing. Talk about fcuken brainless. And the thing is. You're in such denial that you won't see it happening until it's too late.

Thank You for Your insight in telling us stupid Europeans how we need the good old US.................. You are and will forever be the laughing stock of the world.

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1) I dont read the Guardian - its middle class tripe

2) yes, even when it is uncool to be left wing, i would describe my politics as left wing. always have always will be. But also realist and man enough to know that most facets of Marxism does not fit the modern world.

3) To say New Labour are entwined with marxism and communism is perhaps without a doubt the stupidest statement i have ever read on TF (and theres been a few). There is no real differencenow between Labour and Tory these days.

4) From the early 70s on, the Provisional Wings of the IRA and Sinn Fein were more marked by crime with a cause than any marxist dialectic. The Marxists were driven out after Bloody Sunday by the hardliners.

5) agree with you totally about NORAID. But in 1 of your previous posts, you equate NORAID with America. This is flawed and wrong. And if you take the timeline back in time, the reason there were so many Irish settlers in America was because of oppressive and corrupt use of people and land in Ireland by English landowners. Sort of like USA backing Bin laden in the 80's and him coming back to haunt him.

6) I do not and have never supported the techniques employed by the IRA since 1970. Before that, any targets were legitimate targets; soldiers, train lines etc. I may support the principle of their cause, ie a united Ireland, but in no way the methods employed. They were murdering bastards at the end of the day, though of course you neglect to mention the atrocities committed by Loyalist paramilitariies, often with the collusion of the security forces.

(since Google seems to be your god, stick Shankhill Butchers into your wee magic box)

In fact, especially in the 1980s, it was often the case that republicans and loyalists met to discuss drug deals and other criminal activites. ergo; they were all scum.

7) I fully support the right of any man, woman or child to be given asylum in our country IF they are in danger of their lives or being tortured in their own country because of political, religous or sexual beliefs. I do NOT support the right of people to come here just because they will earn more money. So I am left wing and you are right wing but we both oppose economic refugees.

What you have to remember is that for centuries, we bled our Empire dry of resources, both natural and human. So I think we owe a bit of a debt back

8) I am proud of my history as an activist. As part of AFA (anti fascist action) I have targeted BNP members and made sure they wouldnt be carrying out hate attacks. I was on the steering committe for Strathclyde Anti Poll Tax Federation who spearheaded the fight and eventual victory over the poll tax.

I dont get involved in campaigns because of the badge or t shirt or because The Guardian says it is cool to do so (again middle class twaddle rag)

I get involved because I belive it is the right thing to do in that case.

9) If you really want to comment on something (and I would fight for you right to do so) at least learn the truth about it first.Not what you heard down pub or read in tabloid or online. Read the background first

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3) To say New Labour are entwined with marxism and communism is perhaps without a doubt the stupidest statement i have ever read on TF (and theres been a few). There is no real differencenow between Labour and Tory these days.

It was said to highlight my disdain for them, but it is a fact that several leading Nu Labour politicians were communists. http://www.news-alliance.com/new_labours_communist_red_brigade.html

Yes i agree there isnt too much difference between the Tories, Labour or the Libs.

Labour have many totalitarian ideas, such as ID cards the same ones used in freedom loving nations such as Singapore, Hong Kong, using GPS to track all cars to avoid paying fuel tax, the largest DNA database in the world, all medical records on 1 database (good idea IMO if used correctly), the most CCTV cameras per person in the world, almost doubling the prison population in 10 yrs, im sure there is more but cant think as ive read the Mirror, Sun, Star and Sport from back to front today, then drank 12 pints with the darts team whilst talking of nothing else other then Polish immigration so i cant think.

PS All my family voted labour, they consist of ex miners, ship yard workers, bricklayers, carpenters, what youd call the core Labour voters now theyd quite happily vote BNP. You and the Anti Nazi league want to beat them up?

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I was on the steering committe for Strathclyde Anti Poll Tax Federation who spearheaded the fight and eventual victory over the poll tax.

Whilst it looked like a good day out, the differences between the 2 are minimal, however its good for someone earning 70k a year living in the same priced residence as a 20k a year builder.

A true victory for Socialism and anarchy that was.

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1) 4) From the early 70s on, the Provisional Wings of the IRA and Sinn Fein were more marked by crime with a cause than any marxist dialectic. The Marxists were driven out after Bloody Sunday by the hardliners.

9) If you really want to comment on something (and I would fight for you right to do so) at least learn the truth about it first.Not what you heard down pub or read in tabloid or online. Read the background first

Youve agreed with the initial comment i made that there is a Marxist streak running through the IRA Sinn Fein.

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aye cos lots of people who earn 70k live in the same houses as those on 20!!!

Anti Nazi League were assholes - a front for the SWP, who were, at one point controlled by Moscow.

Dont blame your family for turning their back on Labour. They did betray those they were set up to represent, and Blair was probably several degrees right of Thatcher.

But again you always equate communism with socialism and there are fundamental differences and, as I said a few posts ago, while theoretically there are many favourable aspects to socialism, many of those dont fit in our 21st century society. But what does hld true is that thefat cats and company presidents who take huge wages and bonuses even when their company does **** should be taxed to the hilt.

Nuff said. off to bed

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