Just back from protest against my idiot government ... such brainless and useless PM

he'd better go cooking @ Chim Pai Bon Pai instead run the country to hell and lost a part of thai territory to cambodia (T_T)

these people love george bush!!!

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The George W. Bush Sewer Plant

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Published Tuesday 24th June 2008 17:47 GMT

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Here in the City by the Bay, twelve history-minded souls are working to establish a fitting monument to the presidency of George W. Bush. They call themselves the Presidental Memorial Commission of San Francisco, and they hope to secure Bush's legacy by putting his name on the local sewer plant.

If the group has its way, the George W. Bush Sewer Plant will make its debut in January when Dubya officially leaves office, and some supporters say the occasion should be marked by a city-wide ""synchronized flush"

San Franciscan Brian McConnell and a friend cooked up the plan this spring while downing beers at a local bar. "We thought of the Iraq War, New Orleans being left to hang out on a vine, and everything else," McConnell tells us. "And when tried to come up with a fitting tribute, this idea popped out."

The group began circulating an official city petition in May, and with help from over 100 active volunteers, they've now collected 8,500 signatures in support of their plan to rename the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant. That means the issue should be on the ballot when San Francisco voters hit the polls in November.

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George Bush is clearly not smart enough to run the country....maybe in the next 5-10 years it will be revealed who has really been making all the bad decisions.

obama most likey the worst choice for president i have seen. i dont think people will really realize how bad until its to late...i fear for my country with the choices avalable to americans. they will make bush look like a saint compared to whats coming

PM of Malaysia is more stupid.....I never talk about politic in my blog and now not only i talk bad about them in my blog, i even went for protest. Crazy me.....55555

I don't like Samak one bit, but he did not lose Thai territory to Cambodia. There are a lot of good reasons to protest against the Samak government, but this isn't one of them.

The International Court of Justice ruled long ago that the temple belongs to Cambodia. Do you respect the rule of law, or don't you? If you don't, then you're no better than Thaksin or the father or Muu Ham.

Here in Thailand, the rich and powerful have been stealing land from the poor for a long long time. Yet, how many people in Bangkok have ever gone to protest against the government for that?

How does your life, or the life of any Thai, change because the temple belongs to Cambodia?

Why must some people in Thailand be so incredibly selfish?

my advice...

you can talk about politics but can't talk about that temple...

Well post... Milk_Biscuit... ´éǨԵ¤ÒÃÇÃ

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the "there was a benefit in this between the great power countries which still always take the advantage from the poor countries."

When the French were ruling over Cambodia, then yes. But the International Court of Justice ruled on this case long after the French left, and it was a dispute between Thailand and Cambodia only. No big powers involved. And please bear in mind that to many Cambodians, Thailand is the big power bully next door.

I would agree that Thailand, because of the nature of the geography around the temple, has a reasonable argument that the temple is on Thai terriorty (but no argument at all that it is a "Thai" temple, it clearly is NOT).

But when two parties go to court, each has an argument to make. The court ruled that Cambodia's argument is a stronger one, and so ruled in favor of Cambodia.

Thailand and Cambodia are Buddhist countries. What do you think the Buddha would say about this dispute?

The temple is a material possession. Being angry over it, even to the point of being willing to shed blood over it, will only bring you suffering.

I agree with Loburt.

If Thailand and Thais do not back off this arrogant, nationalistic and condesending attitude towards Cambodia (and all it's other neighbours included), there will be a major public relations catastrophy awaiting Thailand.

Bullying those who are weaker or poorer may be the rule of thumb in the Thai society but it does not fly in the international community. Cambodia has already complained to the UN and international observers have been surveying the disputet site. As a consequence the Thai troops have been withdrawn from the Pagoda and have set camp in the adjacent jungle instead.

What makes Thais think they are the supreme race in this region and hence bully around all it's neighbors is beyond me. This temple dispute sure seems to bring up the ugliest side of Thai society, but mind you, the world is watching. You better rethink your attitude.

No worries p'Loburt and Khun Wagner... before that time Thai people will kill each others... and Cambodian gonna watch with surprising.

"Bullying those who are weaker or poorer may be the rule of thumb in the Thai society but it does not fly in the international community."

Oh, yeah?

"Bullying those who are weaker or poorer may be the rule of thumb in the Thai society but it does not fly in the international community."

Oh, yeah?

Not saying it doesn't happen but I am saying it is not condoned. It would be very hard for me to imagine the UN would disregard the ICJ ruling and side with the Thais just because it's a more powerful nation.

"Khun Loburt, Still?.great power + some cambodians + Thai big power bully (we didn?t talking about that long long time ago)."

Milk Biscuit, I'm not talking about a long time ago. Many Cambodians regard Thailand as a big power and a bully to them TODAY!!!! So do the Lao people.

I must admit that I don't know very much about the Lum Nam Moon (and it's very interesting that a Google search returns NO entries concerning these people).

But where did you learn this history? In a Thai school?

Because in all the debates and articles I've read over this, those written by Thais and foreigners, make no mention of this group.

The temple is obviously built in Khmer style. While there are other such temples in Thailand, they were built when the land now called Thailand was part of the Cambodian/Khmer empire, and Khmers lived where those temples were built.

"Not saying it doesn't happen but I am saying it is not condoned. It would be very hard for me to imagine the UN would disregard the ICJ ruling and side with the Thais just because it's a more powerful nation."

Oh, yeah?

Let's, just for arguments sake, say Thailand is a strong ally of China, and Cambodia is not. Thai troops occupy this temple.

What do you think the chances are that "the international community" will do anything about it? Even when it comes to passing a UN resolution saying the Thais should respect the ICJ ruling?

Some countries will condemn Thailand. Other countries will complain that those countries are being too critical and that everyone should just mind their own business.

whatever ... the protest still goes on

Sure you are right. China has a veto right in the UNSC which it has used in numerous similar cases. Mainly to make sure the principle of non-interference in a sovereign country's internal matters is upheld. China sure has vested interest to keep it that way.

Of course it's all about politics but just because a ruling cannot be passed it doesn't mean that a majority does not condemn the action. USA has used it's veto right many times for similar purposes, as has Russia.

Take Burma for example. Just about every nation condemned the actions, or inactions, of the Junta after Nargis. However a few nations with vested interests in Burma, including Thailand, refused to do so. Certainly not because they don't think it was deplorable but because of politics, money.

How people feel about certain actions and what kind of actions can actually be taken on the international forum are sadly 2 separate issues. I don't think there's much sympathy for the Burmese Junta in people's minds and hearts, regardless of what resolutions have or have not been passed.

If Thailand was to invade Cambodia and seize Preah Vihear, I'm not sure what would happen. US needs Thailand as an ally in SE Asia and China has strong ties with Cambodia. If, as you say, China was siding with Thailand, then it would certainly complicate things. That would make 2 nations with a veto right in the UNSC likely to take a stand on Thailand's side.

I'm not daydreaming about fairness and justice prevailing but I am saying that in people's minds a stronger nation bullying a weaker one on a subject long ago ruled by ICJ is not accepted.

It will certainly tarnish the reputation of Thailand and being a major tourism destination, it may take it's toll on tourism revenues. Fear of lost foreign revenue seems to be the only warning sign Thailand cares to heed to.

" whatever ... the protest still goes on "

Trust me, I'd be the first one to protest against Samak if I was not a foreigner and wouldn't have to worry about my visa status. However, as Loburt said too, this Preah Vihear issue is not one of the subjects to protest against him for.

He called the 3 thais that invaded Cambodia insane. On this rare occasion I happen to agree with Samak. Actions like that can have horrible consequences.

Your comment seems to suggest you are just protesting for the kicks, nevermind considering such annoying details like facts. I sincerely hope you will rethink your stand and reasons. Remember that the individual is intelligent but the masses are stupid.

Thailand's reputation would certainly be damaged if it invaded to take the temple.

I don't think Thailand will do that.

However, sometimes commanders on the ground (or higher up) have motives (and more to gain) closer to home, and those can trump concerns over international reputation.

come and find more FACTS at protest si then u will know la x

and i dont expect farang will understand (all the kick of) this protest

oh by the way its more like hidden agenda between Hunsen and X PM Thaksin ... have u ever heard abt all this shitty fact?

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Yes, walencia, we've heard about the so-called hidden agenda between Hun Sen and Thaksin. Unfortunately, there is no proof that there was any such "deal" and previous governments besides Thaksin's recognized Cambodia's ownership of the temple.

I'm so sorry you think only Thais can understand this issue or know all the facts. That's a very bigoted view, and shows what a small, closed mind you have. You need to grow up.

I could take the same view and tell you that, as you are Thai, you're not capable of understanding American politics, and so your support of Barack Hussein Obama is a sign of your stupidity.

But I wouldn't do that.

There was a good article in today's The Nation by Pridiyathorn Devakula which sheds some light on some aspects of this dispute in which Cambodia hasn't acted properly either. As I wrote earlier, the Thais have some legitimate arguments, particularly about the land around the temple, but the ICJ ruled that Cambodia's arguments were stronger. And it clearly is a temple built by Khmers.

You've heard of courts and international law, haven't you, walencia? Are those things we falangs can expect Thais to be able to understand?