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Child abuse in Ireland !!


CiaranM

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it's difficult to put into words how angry i am at the reports in ireland of the systematic and widespread abuse of children in care over the last 50 or 60 years !!! but what really makes my blood boil is this wanker Nichols, who will today be installed as the archbishop of Westminster, talking about the courage of these monsters who abused these kids !! not forgetting that the catholic church knew about this abuse for years, but instead of confronting and tackling the issue they covered it up !! mind you Nichols hasn't exactly got a hard act to follow as head of the catholic church in england and wales as he's replacing Murphy O'Connor who helped priests who abused kids escape justice ... and in fact enabled them to carry on their abuse in new parishes !! i am ******* FUMING !! as it also appears NOBODY will be charged with any offences !! 

Clergy who admit child abuse 'courageous', says Catholic archbishop

 The new leader of Catholics in England and Wales has provoked outrage after describing members of the clergy who admitted abusing children in their care as courageous for facing up to their past.The comments by the Most Rev Vincent Nichols follow the release of a report that revealed Catholic priests and nuns terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the continuing beatings, rapes and humiliation.In an interview broadcast to be broadcast tonight on ITV's News at Ten, Nichols said: "It's very distressing and very disturbing and my heart goes out today first of all to those people who will find that their stories are now told in public."Secondly, I think of those in religious orders and some of the clergy in Dublin who have to face these facts from their past, which instinctively and quite naturally they'd rather not look at."That takes courage, and also we shouldn't forget that this account today will also overshadow all of the good that they also did."Nichols, who will today be installed as the archbishop of Westminster, replacing Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor, was responding to the 2,600-page report from Ireland's commission to inquire into child abuse.Child protection groups were quick to condemn Nichols, who has been widely praised in the past for his communication skills and ease with the media.Michele Elliot, chief executive of the charity Kidscape, said that while she was glad Nichols acknowledged the scandal of paedophilia in the priesthood, she was unhappy that he had tempered the apology."It is ludicrous. It should be a straightforward mea culpa. It is a moral stance and he should say that it is all about the children and the rest of them be damned. There are no excuses for religious orders."If I were a victim of child abuse I would feel that his real concern is for priests and nuns."The controversy threatens to overshadow tomorrow's installation, which will be attended by more than 2,200 guests including Lord Guthrie (representing Prince Charles), Paul Murphy (representing the prime minister), the Duke of Norfolk, the archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, the archbishop of York, John Sentamu, cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell, and hundreds of clergy.A spokesman for the Irish Survivors of Child Abuse organisation also attacked Nichols.Former industrial schools resident Patrick Walsh said: "Rubbish is too kind of word for what the archbishop has said. I believe I have heard this kind of twaddle uttered by politicians in Ireland like Bertie Ahern, the former prime minister. It is the verbiage of unreason and it leaves me cold. What the archbishop really has to do is take a long hard look at the character and nature of the people he is talking about and ask himself if they are capable of being good."The row is reminiscent of one that engulfed the early years of O'Connor's administration. It emerged that he had failed to act when a priest, Michael Hill, became known to him as a paedophile. Instead of informing the police, he moved him to the chaplaincy at ­Gatwick airport, where he believed the priest would no longer be a danger to children.In 1997, however, Hill was convicted of sex attacks against nine children. After serving three years, he was then given another sentence of five years for assaults on three more boys.At the time, O'Connor argued that there was little understanding about paedophilia and he survived calls for his resignation. He was cleared by an inquiry and set up the Nolan commission, which established a more rigorous child protection system. 
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it's difficult to put into words how angry i am at the reports in ireland of the systematic and widespread abuse of children in care over the last 50 or 60 years !!! but what really makes my blood boil is this wanker Nichols, who will today be installed as the archbishop of Westminster, talking about the courage of these monsters who abused these kids !! not forgetting that the catholic church knew about this abuse for years, but instead of confronting and tackling the issue they covered it up !! mind you Nichols hasn't exactly got a hard act to follow as head of the catholic church in england and wales as he's replacing Murphy O'Connor who helped priests who abused kids escape justice ... and in fact enabled them to carry on their abuse in new parishes !! i am ******* FUMING !! as it also appears NOBODY will be charged with any offences !! 

Clergy who admit child abuse 'courageous', says Catholic archbishop

 The new leader of Catholics in England and Wales has provoked outrage after describing members of the clergy who admitted abusing children in their care as courageous for facing up to their past.The comments by the Most Rev Vincent Nichols follow the release of a report that revealed Catholic priests and nuns terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the continuing beatings, rapes and humiliation.In an interview broadcast to be broadcast tonight on ITV's News at Ten, Nichols said: "It's very distressing and very disturbing and my heart goes out today first of all to those people who will find that their stories are now told in public."Secondly, I think of those in religious orders and some of the clergy in Dublin who have to face these facts from their past, which instinctively and quite naturally they'd rather not look at."That takes courage, and also we shouldn't forget that this account today will also overshadow all of the good that they also did."Nichols, who will today be installed as the archbishop of Westminster, replacing Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor, was responding to the 2,600-page report from Ireland's commission to inquire into child abuse.Child protection groups were quick to condemn Nichols, who has been widely praised in the past for his communication skills and ease with the media.Michele Elliot, chief executive of the charity Kidscape, said that while she was glad Nichols acknowledged the scandal of paedophilia in the priesthood, she was unhappy that he had tempered the apology."It is ludicrous. It should be a straightforward mea culpa. It is a moral stance and he should say that it is all about the children and the rest of them be damned. There are no excuses for religious orders."If I were a victim of child abuse I would feel that his real concern is for priests and nuns."The controversy threatens to overshadow tomorrow's installation, which will be attended by more than 2,200 guests including Lord Guthrie (representing Prince Charles), Paul Murphy (representing the prime minister), the Duke of Norfolk, the archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, the archbishop of York, John Sentamu, cabinet secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell, and hundreds of clergy.A spokesman for the Irish Survivors of Child Abuse organisation also attacked Nichols.Former industrial schools resident Patrick Walsh said: "Rubbish is too kind of word for what the archbishop has said. I believe I have heard this kind of twaddle uttered by politicians in Ireland like Bertie Ahern, the former prime minister. It is the verbiage of unreason and it leaves me cold. What the archbishop really has to do is take a long hard look at the character and nature of the people he is talking about and ask himself if they are capable of being good."The row is reminiscent of one that engulfed the early years of O'Connor's administration. It emerged that he had failed to act when a priest, Michael Hill, became known to him as a paedophile. Instead of informing the police, he moved him to the chaplaincy at ­Gatwick airport, where he believed the priest would no longer be a danger to children.In 1997, however, Hill was convicted of sex attacks against nine children. After serving three years, he was then given another sentence of five years for assaults on three more boys.At the time, O'Connor argued that there was little understanding about paedophilia and he survived calls for his resignation. He was cleared by an inquiry and set up the Nolan commission, which established a more rigorous child protection system. 
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I dont even want to read this post. The lead in was enough to make my blood boil.

I wont say any more or I wont be able to stop ..........................................

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Yeah......pathetic stuff for sure. Now I'm certain you'll be posting something every time a terrorist beheads/blows up innocent people in the name of "Islam." In fact, I have no doubt you'll be the top cheerleader in the fight against radical Islamic extremism AKA The War on Terror. I'll be watching.....

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Posted by vbroker [ 21 May 2009 | 10:24AM ]

Yeah......pathetic stuff for sure. Now I'm certain you'll be posting something every time a terrorist beheads/blows up innocent people in the name of "Islam." In fact, I have no doubt you'll be the top cheerleader in the fight against radical Islamic extremism AKA The War on Terror. I'll be watching..... <<<

u really r a first class knob .... now **** off u retard !!!

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I saw this on the beeb earlier and to say im shocked is a fuckin understatement.......a NINE year inquiry into child abuse spanning 60 years or whatever it is and no criminal prosecutions will come of it, mainly because ' Christian Brothers ' managed to successfully sue the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report.

Over 2000 people who suffered mental and sexual abuse spoke to the inquiry, opening up old wounds im sure and this is the justice they receive.....A peadophile ring protected by the catholic church and bullshit laws.

Un fuckin believable !

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Ciaran:

It's disgusting but good to let out the truth.

Great Journal because people need to see the reality.

As an educated man of science: I am a total agnostic, atheist etc.

There is no way in "hell" any of the religions are even rational.

Billions of starts and countless billions of planets, None of them

have our "bibles"/ (they just might eat us for "salvation")

I've studied all the religions and they all have one big mistake:

Lies and fake methods of controlling the masses and mobs.

Your post is all too real, but the atrocities are far removed from the deathly rituals of the

other religions.

Perhaps a pandemic is natures way of saying f..l off humans, stop the BS.

Cheers mate, take care and we'll get together when I get back.

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yeah soda ... very sad indeed !!

Gav .... it's absolutely criminal that these ppl will get away with what they've done to kids !!

Geee .... agreed .... i think !!

stevie .... allegedly it was not just the christian brothers, but also the catholic church AND the irish goverment which wanted to keep this covered up !! as u say un-*******-believable !! ppl should be going to jail for what has gone on !!

cheers Mike .... as far as i'm concerned ALL religion is just a means of keeping ppl under control ... and the poorer and less educated they r the easier they r to brain wash and control !! IMO !!!

eagle .... if jesus, mohammed, buddha or whoever came back to earth now would they recognise or believe what ppl r doing in their name !! i doubt it !!

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It's a ******* disgrace that these pathetic evil monsters can act with impunity....courageous? Dispicable...as is the whole system that protects them and allows the abuse to carry on..... the credibility of the whole system is screwed....

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a good reason i am a atheist ! you do not need someone to tell you how to b a moral person. these people have used their position of power to abuse the helpless.

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Iain....it's quite simple. There's no question "holy men" capable of such heinous acts need to be exposed, removed, tried, convicted and punished in a aggressive manner. So while it's not only justified but expected to express disgust, I haven't seen from most who post here the equally justified outrage leveled at Islamic extremism and the long term harm it has done and continues to do. On the contrary, what I've seen in some cases is defense of same. I call that hypocrisy.

Further, this attitude that the crimes of a few should indict the entire Catholic Church is as ridiculous as suggesting all of Islam is criminal. But that's the perspective of many of the "orators" here. I say deal with the few bad apples; whether they are vile animals that managed to become ordained Catholic priests or murderous Islamic terrorists claiming to engage jihad against the "Great Satan" all in the name of Allah.

As for your "blown any scrap of respect" and "modicum of intelligence" comments, save that for those who have no capacity to conjure a legitimate argument but can only engage ad hominem attacks. Scurrilous use of that commentary makes me lose respect for YOU. Judge not lest ye be judged.

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