TATTOOS

[shortyg]

Stop getting so uppity. I didn't come up with the term nor did I call anyone white trash. Just said that women who (I've heard) have been referred to as white trash have often got tattoos on their body.

so asking for an explanation as to why the term "white trash" is used is being uppity is it .... i would have thought it was more uppity to use that term talking about another person !!

No more wrong than using the terms hooker, *****, moron, ****, fuckwit, prize c*nt, gold-digger etc etc.

Oh I'm sorry, those words are NEVER used on TF forums. :roll:

Hey cool, so that makes you the same as me now then right? They was my words! What with me being white trash and proud of it does that make you brown trash?

Back for more are we?

P.S- If you had spent time in school instead of racing tricycles around the yard you'd be able to see that I did not say that people who use those words are white trash. NOR did I imply or explicitly say anyone on this website is white (or any colour) trash for having or not having a tattoo.

Congratulations on the racist insult. You've now achieved the intellectual status of the corn on my little toe. I guess it's true...muscles get bigger, **** and brain get smaller.

Keep at it Gertrude...you'll get your period soon enough and the PMS will go away.

White Trash OK Brown Trash Racist insult....

Think I will leave you to argue this one out with someone of a higher intellect than me...... I just don't get it..... all I hear is hypocrite.... thick ain't I?

i think you're missing a rather obvious technicality here:

princess is correct in stating that she didn't in fact call anyone 'white trash' and merely stated that the demographic that some people commonly refer to as 'white trash' are widely expected to have certain (very cliched) tattoos in the popular stereotype. she in no way asserted that a) these people indeed deserved to be called 'white trash' (the real truth is we prefer the term "cracker") or that these stereotypes were generally and widely true.

you on the other hand called her brown trash. that's a direct and personal taunt that may or may not be considered racist; personally i think brown is a neutral adjective in this case, and 'trash' is the relevant insult.

zbh

scholar-at-large

Cant find the trash your looking for we have whatever type of trash woman you want in our database, just tick the inked (for tattooed) or uninked box (no ttattooes) for the dream girl of your choice visit us at

Deleted by bobby

LOL

sorry I know it's the wrong forum just couldn't help myself do you think they will give me a job in their marketing dept

[afook06]

Why go back and for and this and that? Give everyone a yellow card and end this forum!

[CiaranM]

Stop getting so uppity. I didn't come up with the term nor did I call anyone white trash. Just said that women who (I've heard) have been referred to as white trash have often got tattoos on their body.

so asking for an explanation as to why the term "white trash" is used is being uppity is it .... i would have thought it was more uppity to use that term talking about another person !!

No more wrong than using the terms hooker, *****, moron, ****, fuckwit, prize c*nt, gold-digger etc etc.

Oh I'm sorry, those words are NEVER used on TF forums. :roll:

Hey cool, so that makes you the same as me now then right? They was my words! What with me being white trash and proud of it does that make you brown trash?

Back for more are we?

P.S- If you had spent time in school instead of racing tricycles around the yard you'd be able to see that I did not say that people who use those words are white trash. NOR did I imply or explicitly say anyone on this website is white (or any colour) trash for having or not having a tattoo.

Congratulations on the racist insult. You've now achieved the intellectual status of the corn on my little toe. I guess it's true...muscles get bigger, **** and brain get smaller.

White Trash OK Brown Trash Racist insult....

Think I will leave you to argue this one out with someone of a higher intellect than me...... I just don't get it..... all I hear is hypocrite.... thick ain't I?

My original post said 'women who are considered 'white trash' '

Note the quotation marks? If I was calling anyone white trash or indeed, even suggesting that I believe there are people who are 'white trash' I would have used the term as it is. Just like I used the word convict - no qualms about that because that's exactly what people who have been convicted of a crime are called.

You, on the other hand chose to turn this into a matter of skin colour - happily calling yourself white trash in the process. Hey, if the cap fits by all means wear it but do not put words into my mouth.

As for being thick, it's ok...go back to your felt pens and tricycles.

absolute bollocks ... usual bullshit ... "i didn't say it i used quotation marks, pathetic !!" if u don't think it or believe it why did u feel the need to use the term !!

tatt2dude next time quote someone else calling an asian "pakii trash" and then it ain't racist.

ohhh and btw i don't believe all asians are "pakii trash" but when living in burnley i did heard loads of white ppl saying they were, so it must be true ... mustn't it be !!!

[Princess]

ohhh and btw i don't believe all asians are "pakii trash" but when living in burnley i did heard loads of white ppl saying they were, so it must be true ... mustn't it be !!!

If you heard Pakistanis calling each other "pakii trash" then yes, it's probably true.

White people calling Indians and other "Indian looking" people paki trash is just stupid ignorance. Laughable because if you're going to insult us racially, at least get our nationalities right.

[i_love_som_tam]

white trash: noun singular but plural in construction

usually disparaging : a member of an inferior or underprivileged white social group.

i have no problem identifying certain individuals as white trash. in my career i have seen many people that would easily fit into this catergory. for some reason it seems more socially acceptable to call people white trash than to use slang to identify other races.

maybe Princess should have used the term "trailer trash" to identify the people that she was thinking of, but then that would have offended the Airstream crowd. Or maybe "scooter trash" . Ooops, that's the motorcycle crowd offended.

i guess there is no pleasing anybody. :shock:

[CiaranM]

i guess there is no pleasing anybody. :shock:

i'm easily pleased ... pretty girl, cold beer, pool table and/or sports on TV !!!

[CiaranM]

Nice to see the size of your balls Ciaran I do believe they may even be bigger than HERS :shock:

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

makes note ... even though i live on the top floor ... remember to close curtains when getting changed !!!

[zeusbheld]

i think you're missing a rather obvious technicality here:

nope not really.

yes really. definitely. stubbornly and willfully, i might add. i was merely being relatively polite.

the point your'e missing would be howlingly obvious to you if you read that sentence objectively. this is apparently impossible due to the fact that it was a) written by princess and in general, she works your nerves. in your ardent desire to bicker with her, you missed the obvious point by a few billion light years, cap'n kirk.

btw i'm merely pointing out what that particular sentence said, the one you seem incapable of reading. this is not a defense of her, she loves bickering with you as much as you with her, and you both carry it stubbornly and at such length that it taxes my limited attention span.

princess is correct in stating that she didn't in fact call anyone 'white trash' and merely stated that the demographic that some people commonly refer to as 'white trash' are widely expected to have certain (very cliched) tattoos in the popular stereotype. she in no way asserted that a) these people indeed deserved to be called 'white trash' (the real truth is we prefer the term "cracker") or that these stereotypes were generally and widely true.

she used the term. Then tried to justify said term by quoting other terms that she herself was prolific in condemning... hence hypocrite... that is the right word innit?

i'm not going to wade through you two lovebrids' excessive prancing and cavorting around the subject but "she used the term"---please use more than two crayolas to color your pictures, ace.

she used the term initially in a way that was not a direct insult to anyone, merely mentioning that a particular demographic who tended to be referred to by a particular (insulting) term might likely have tatoos or something to that effect. i can't see where she endorsed the use of said term.

if i said "some people call gays shitstabbers" it doesn't mean i'm calling gays shitstabbers, or that i approve of calling gays "shitstabbers" just that i've heard them called that.

if on the other hand i call someone a shitstabber, then it's specific and directed AT someone. get it yet? i won't hold my breath.

you on the other hand called her brown trash. that's a direct and personal taunt that may or may not be considered racist; personally i think brown is a neutral adjective in this case, and 'trash' is the relevant insult.

Would she have preferred if I had called her colored? I doubt it. See I am white, my ex girlfriend was Black, my current girlfriend is brown. It's how it is. Nice try with the racist get out of jail card tho, but your right, trash was indeed the insult, see I am for using fuckwit, prize c*nt et-cetera ergo she is for using white trash.... by her own admission no less.

again: you seem determined to miss a VERY SIMPLE POINT:

regardless of the term in question, SHE DIDN'T USE IT AT ANYONE. YOU DID. THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE.

by your 'logic' then i suppose i'm homophobic? after all i recently mentioned the term 'shitstabber.'

But sir even your shoe horn like intellect cannot remove said maidens foot from said maidens mouth. No doubt she will respond at length as to why she is right and I am wrong. Lets put it down to education and racism, seems convenient innit?

i dont give a **** whose foot is in whose mouth, or what else you two do behind closed doors. again, this is NOT a defense of princess. if the bickering between you two were less tedious i'd read it, and i'd expect she will indeed put her foot in her mouth or something like that later on in your pissing contest, she usually does.

i am merely saying you are spewing bullshit in your original assessment of what she said. this most likely because she annoys you, as she annoys many people (self included from time to time). however, it's right there on the page.

in case you missed it, i'll run it again but i'll change the name so you can read it and pretend it doesn't come from princess

Stop getting so uppity. I didn't come up with the term nor did I call anyone white trash. Just said that women who (I've heard) have been referred to as white trash have often got tattoos on their body.

[vbroker]

i think you're missing a rather obvious technicality here:

nope not really.

yes really. definitely. stubbornly and willfully, i might add. i was merely being relatively polite.

the point your'e missing would be howlingly obvious to you if you read that sentence objectively. this is apparently impossible due to the fact that it was a) written by princess and in general, she works your nerves. in your ardent desire to bicker with her, you missed the obvious point by a few billion light years, cap'n kirk.

ZBH and princess are correct; tattoo incorrect.

you on the other hand called her brown trash. that's a direct and personal taunt that may or may not be considered racist; personally i think brown is a neutral adjective in this case, and 'trash' is the relevant insult.

He ALLUDED to calling her brown trash when he asked if he should refer to her in that manner. Just as bad if you ask me.

in case you missed it, i'll run it again but i'll change the name so you can read it and pretend it doesn't come from princess

Stop getting so uppity. I didn't come up with the term nor did I call anyone white trash. Just said that women who (I've heard) have been referred to as white trash have often got tattoos on their body.

Fine. Now that it has been repeated umpteenth times I am going to do what the mods should have done three pages ago: insist the thread get back to topic. In that interest I will say I love some tattoos and hate some tattoos; as long as all said tattoos are on someone else. They are not for me. There are negative stereotypes associated with them right or wrong, with real impacts concerning some forms/places of employment. That's a fact. Less so today than say thirty or even twenty years ago. If that doesn't matter to you, by all means, ink away.

[vacanti373]

Women who are considered 'white trash' tend to have one on the ankle or the breast or lower back.

and it's usually a butterfly or a rose. don't ask me how i know this

zbh

c/o trailer park hell

nowheresville, USA

how did i miss that one ?? must stop skim reading !!!

considered white trash by who exactly ?? indian princesses ???

Actually white trash by your own people dear. I do believe these women were pointed out and termed white trash by their own countrymen.

P.S- Might I remind you that the term 'white trash' is not something I made up myself. Remind me to point out the next disgruntled farang I see calling all white women whores and trash because they won't sleep with him.

I have missed most of this forum.

I came in in the middle, so have no idea what was said later than around the page this was on.

But yes, "white trash" is English, but not from the Brit side.

It is North American, and "white trash" is associated with people that live in mobile homes (trailer parks)

It has nothing to do with tattoos or women in general.

It is a gerneral slang that is usually aimed at people on welfare, or the uneducated, or drunks, or wifebeaters, or any of the other drama things that go on in trailer parks.

Who knows why upper society isn't called "white trash?"

For some strange reason it is associated with trailer park people ONLY.

That is what it means and it has no racial implications.

(that is why Europeans might not think it is not English, and offensive.

I don't think they have trailer parks there, but I could be wrong.)

But for sure, North america has a lot of them.

They aren't slums, but people class them as slums, so hence the jokes...

there are some fantastic trailer homes in these parks! (bad ones also)

(this entry isn't aimed at you at all Ciaran! it just happens to be where I came into it)

back to the point..."white trash" is a shortened version of "white trailer park trash"

(all a low class way of speaking no matter who says it, because the same drama that goes on in rich or poor trailer parks, also goes on behind the locked doors of the rich and famous!) (and we don't call them "white trash"

:-P

[mia_smiley]

Everybody knows that White Trash Girls almost always have Tattos.

Britney Shears is a good example of White trash. You can take the girl out of..... but you cant take ... out of the girl.

Even with all the money and "success" she ends up getting Tattos and going crazy!

Thats White trash for you!

The expression "White Trash" although distinctly American and a derogative term to describe people of a particular socio economic group [ Mainly in the southern and more backward states within the US] has and can be used or transposed to similar socio economic groups of low class in other countries of the English speaking world.

An example of this was the single mother of an 8 year old who weighed over 14 "English stones"? somewhere in England and who nearly had her child taken away from her. She was describe by an English friend of mine as being " White Trash" and typical of a certain type of uneducated "council housing estate single mother" that is often found in the poorer parts of England.

Many of these do indeed go on to have tattoos and body piercings which is a sure sign way of identifying with this low class section of the society.

[OF COURSE- there are exceptions and but generally tattoos and White trash go hand in hand]

Now was that too politically incorrect for you all?

[Princess]

Amen sista!

[lizardo]

if u like tatts...have them...if you don't....don't....if u judge people on such frivolous qualities then maybe it says more about you than them!

[Princess]

Oh for ****'s sake grow up the lot of you. No one is calling people with tattoos white trash or any sort of trash.

While I don't like tattoos, more than one of my boyfriends has had them. Well actually only two of them have tattoos but if I were that biased, I wouldn't have dated them for as long as I did.

[The Punisher]

if u like tatts...have them...if you don't....don't....if u judge people on such frivolous qualities then maybe it says more about you than them!

So you are saying tatts are 'frivolous'? :twisted:

Trashy people who have tattoo's were almost certainly trashy before they got them.

Personally, I don't wear tattoos because I think they are uneccessary. I wouldn't want something permanantly marked on the outside when what I have to say comes from the inside and is constantly evolving.

[Khun_Sam]

now, here's the deal, and this is no way intended to annoy the edumacated people on the site!

I bin doin tattoooz now fo three years. Previous to that I was an airbrush artist and designer fo Nokia amongst other people. Amongst the other people was Louis Vitton, Red or Dead, David and Victoria Beckham, Jimmy Choo etcetera...

How has my client list changed since I done picked up wiv the tattoooo machinez, well I bin done turnin several highly educated peiople from desse here companies into tattooed white trash....

Oh for Christ's sake!

Princess never said that people with tattoos are known as white trash. She said that people known as white trash usually have tattoos. Seems like you still cannot figure out the difference. Lay off the Bible reading...

[Khun_Sam]

now, here's the deal, and this is no way intended to annoy the edumacated people on the site!

I bin doin tattoooz now fo three years. Previous to that I was an airbrush artist and designer fo Nokia amongst other people. Amongst the other people was Louis Vitton, Red or Dead, David and Victoria Beckham, Jimmy Choo etcetera...

How has my client list changed since I done picked up wiv the tattoooo machinez, well I bin done turnin several highly educated peiople from desse here companies into tattooed white trash....

Oh for Christ's sake!

Princess never said that people with tattoos are known as white trash. She said that people known as white trash usually have tattoos. Seems like you still cannot figure out the difference. Lay off the Bible reading...

Easy tiger.

Just pointing out that people are all different and that a tattoo does not pigeonhole anyone, I was not attacking anyone in that post, except for the use of education as an example of a generalization from my own experience.

Interesting that you immediately jump to the defense of someone who is educated because of that.

No, I did not immediately jump to her (his?) defence. I spent +20 minutes reading through this thread and decided who was the less annoying of the two.

Anyway, I'd say bring back the pre-Jehova tatt2dude. The funny one.

[mia_smiley]

Money and class and different things!

D Beckham and Victoria will never have any class, they are both sad wannabe celebs who in years to come will be forgotten.

People are different and they also sometimes can fall into certain categories. We humans use generalizations all the time, everyday of the week, nothing wrong with that so long as it is not an absolute and devoid of malice.

White Trash is an unfortunate but now widely used term that has a function, just like when you say some guy is a real a**hole! People know and understand what you mean without having to pick over every possible angle/perspective. ITS SHORT HAND!

Yes white trash are far more likely to have Tattoos than not and yes there is still a certain stigma associated with Tattoos just about everywhere in polite society. Clearly in the Art world or among arty types there will be a far greater uptake in having all manner of body markings like Tattoos and piercings etc. Same is true for the Adult entertainment industry prostitutes and lower class people in general. That does not preclude there being plenty of classy people with tattoos [though it would be an exception] or that people with tattoos can and be very nice and decent people indeed. It just is a fact that society has certain conventions which while sometimes flexible need to be noted before doing things that leave one outside the main stream .

If the same number of women who got tattoos all shaved all their hair off what would be wrong with that? Actually nothing in a literal sense and so too with tattos. People do make judgments about people based on looks/appearance and other signs of their personality that are striking. Might not like it but there it is! Tattoos are fine for some people but mot at all for many others, while most people would not get one they probably could not care less much about other peoples tattoos.

Nevertheless my advice to any girl is that any guy with a tattoo or piercing is far more likely to be of less character than if he didn't have them. That does not mean one should not give a guy a chance and accept people for how you find them. It just means you are aware of one of the possible signs of a persons character. Personally I can find nothing additional that appeals to me which a man having a tattoo would reveal and more often it is likely to be a turn off or a sign of a character I don't care for. Which is not to say that it would have to be either relevant or something negative.

Years ago smoking was so FASHIONABLE and marketed as glamorous and somehow sexy? It was in the movies, on the TV and everywhere the message was similar. Smoking was sophisticated and modern.

How we can laugh at such utter nonsense now! Now we know it is a disgusting and dangerous habit with no good aspects to it at all! It does not make people who smoke disgusting but it is a fact that what they do when smoking is disgusting.

Even doctors who should know better smoke, people of all class etc etc yet as another generalization this too is the exception that upholds the general rule/guiding reality. In general people who smoke, have tattos and have body piercings are far far more likely to conform to a negative stereotype about which socio economic section of a society a person comes from and their educational level [or lack of] again education is a hard thing to pin down as a guide of intelligence too.

All of the 911 bombers had degrees or higher yet somehow they were able to partition their minds in such a way as to believe that cutting the throats of air hostesses and flying planes in buildings at 400 miles an hour was sane and a good idea!

At least some people can give up smoking! Not true for tattoos, once u get them u keep them, while years later you may regret them. As for the wonderful artwork and craftsmanship that goes into tattoos? I wouldn't deny it. Just that I would not like it practiced on my body or the body of a loved one. I seen one guy here who replied to one of my comments and his body was covered in a huge tattoo. For me such a guy would automatically have no chance of me being ever interested in him but that does not mean I wouldn't be polite to him.

Any man or woman that would have a huge tattoo on their body would be likely to have some issues or personality/character problems. Just my view and probably a similar instinct as to the reaction to Britney shears shaving her head and then getting tattoos all in the same breath.

As was said better than me earlier:

U wanna tattoo? GO AHEAD!

U don't wanna tattoo THEN DON'T GET ONE!

[teflion]

wow thats quite interesting. because someone has a huge tattoo does not change his or her class. indeed people judge people on everything and anything. clothes, body type, ect..but agian you are acting like its the 1940's and a person is based soley on how we dress our jobs and color of skin. a tattoo is a tattoo its a form of expression you dont like it fine..who cares. but when you judge a persons character on a tattoo then its no different then being racist.

[vbroker]

wow thats quite interesting. because someone has a huge tattoo does not change his or her class. indeed people judge people on everything and anything. clothes, body type, ect..but agian you are acting like its the 1940's and a person is based soley on how we dress our jobs and color of skin. a tattoo is a tattoo its a form of expression you dont like it fine..who cares. but when you judge a persons character on a tattoo then its no different then being racist.

Nonsense. The tattooed individual chose to ink him or herself and the question raised is what is the mindset of someone who would alter his/her skin in such a manner. A dark-skinned individual didn't choose his skin color, so judging that person's character on race alone is racial predjudice. Big difference.

You just acknowledged people judge others on "everything and anything." To use your own example: If you saw two women, one wearing a hot, well put together outfit that compliments her feminine features and a second woman right next to her dressed in dirty rags yet the two are of similar age and physical features, who are you going to be more attracted to? Who would you approach first to start a conversation? Why? What does the way each one is dressed say about each woman?

The Britney Spears example is as good as any. After all, when she snapped between the drug-fueled spree, the head shaving and three check ins and outs of rehab she didn't go to church. She went to a tattooist. Like it or not, there is a negative association with tattoos. As long as they are favored by felons, criminals, bikers, "white trash," etcetera there will be for a long time.

[Vindaloobeast]

Hmm..well I shaved all my hair off and have loads of tattoos..

Do I have issues and character problems..? I dont know..do I..? Personally I think that stereotyping is very dangerous.

I enjoy a very successful career that I will have been with for 20 years in November and the tattoos have not proved to be a problem within that time frame.

Interesting debate...employers might be put off by visible tattoos at interview but it shouldnt make a difference and could be questioned under diversity ethics. Far more people behave irrationally on a day to day basis than have tattoos or shaved heads..think about it..?! Lots of areas can be singled out for prejudice like race or creed, smoker, drinker etc and sometimes a step back and a little thought is reqd before jumping in.

Besides..Im ok because I choose to be different...you lot are all the same...5555...!

Beast.

[mia_smiley]

Hmm..well I shaved all my hair off and have loads of tattoos..

And you think you look good as a result? THINK AGAIN! - NO OFFENSE JUST AN HONEST VIEW.

Do I have issues and character problems..? I dont know..do I..? Personally I think that stereotyping is very dangerous.

Oh grow up!

Another wanna be victim no doubt. Stereotyping is dangerous?

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!

Why do you suppose there are not far more bright pink or bright lilac colored cars? Because as a GENERAL rule we are all prejudicial about all sorts of things and we have certain general preferences and tastes. We put thing into all sorts of categories. good, bad and otherwise.

Oddly enough it was you I had in mind when I had mentioned a guy with a huge tattoo. No I don't know you personally but just from a few signs that I am reading from you I can make all sorts of deductions about your personality. Can I proof where I am right or wrong? No and I am not interested in doing so.

Here is a few clues.

Any guy who would present himself to the world in the pictures you have chosen tells me a lot about your likely personality.

You then have the word beast as a name [or part of] and I had a look at your profile to all of which give me a very good idea as to your likely class [or lack of -in my humble view]

Suffice to say that I would be embarrassed to introduce you to any of my family or friends. This is not merely because of that god awful tattoo so much as what that reveals about you.

Of course it is not for sure that I am correct in making any or all of these assumptions but the fact is that most sane and rational women would take note of these reactions and be very skeptical of you from the outset.

I enjoy a very successful career that I will have been with for 20 years in November and the tattoos have not proved to be a problem within that time frame.

Lets just say you are lucky! This a case of despite and not because of.

Interesting debate...employers might be put off by visible tattoos at interview but it shouldnt make a difference and could be questioned under diversity ethics.

Are you for real? Diversity ethics? People have the basic common sense to not judge things in isolation but put together a picture based on many frames. Again in general your tattoo is a private matter but what job do you do that would have you naked from the chest up and your tattoo viewable for all to see.

Far more people behave irrationally on a day to day basis than have tattoos or shaved heads..think about it..?! Lots of areas can be singled out for prejudice like race or creed, smoker, drinker etc and sometimes a step back and a little thought is reqd before jumping in.

Besides..Im ok because I choose to be different...you lot are all the same...5555...!

Beast.

We are all different yet have much in common but we dont all feel the need to mark ourselves out from the rest of others as you evidently take pride in. Just dont be surprised when some people feel inclined to have a certain opinion about the way you choose to express yourself or present yourself to the rest of the world. You have every right to be different just as people have every right to react differently to what they perceive.

[dannyboy]

Money and class and different things!

D Beckham and Victoria will never have any class, they are both sad wannabe celebs who in years to come will be forgotten.

People are different and they also sometimes can fall into certain categories. We humans use generalizations all the time, everyday of the week, nothing wrong with that so long as it is not an absolute and devoid of malice.

White Trash is an unfortunate but now widely used term that has a function, just like when you say some guy is a real a**hole! People know and understand what you mean without having to pick over every possible angle/perspective. ITS SHORT HAND!

Yes white trash are far more likely to have Tattoos than not and yes there is still a certain stigma associated with Tattoos just about everywhere in polite society. Clearly in the Art world or among arty types there will be a far greater uptake in having all manner of body markings like Tattoos and piercings etc. Same is true for the Adult entertainment industry prostitutes and lower class people in general. That does not preclude there being plenty of classy people with tattoos [though it would be an exception] or that people with tattoos can and be very nice and decent people indeed. It just is a fact that society has certain conventions which while sometimes flexible need to be noted before doing things that leave one outside the main stream .

If the same number of women who got tattoos all shaved all their hair off what would be wrong with that? Actually nothing in a literal sense and so too with tattos. People do make judgments about people based on looks/appearance and other signs of their personality that are striking. Might not like it but there it is! Tattoos are fine for some people but mot at all for many others, while most people would not get one they probably could not care less much about other peoples tattoos.

Nevertheless my advice to any girl is that any guy with a tattoo or piercing is far more likely to be of less character than if he didn't have them. That does not mean one should not give a guy a chance and accept people for how you find them. It just means you are aware of one of the possible signs of a persons character. Personally I can find nothing additional that appeals to me which a man having a tattoo would reveal and more often it is likely to be a turn off or a sign of a character I don't care for. Which is not to say that it would have to be either relevant or something negative.

Years ago smoking was so FASHIONABLE and marketed as glamorous and somehow sexy? It was in the movies, on the TV and everywhere the message was similar. Smoking was sophisticated and modern.

How we can laugh at such utter nonsense now! Now we know it is a disgusting and dangerous habit with no good aspects to it at all! It does not make people who smoke disgusting but it is a fact that what they do when smoking is disgusting.

Even doctors who should know better smoke, people of all class etc etc yet as another generalization this too is the exception that upholds the general rule/guiding reality. In general people who smoke, have tattos and have body piercings are far far more likely to conform to a negative stereotype about which socio economic section of a society a person comes from and their educational level [or lack of] again education is a hard thing to pin down as a guide of intelligence too.

All of the 911 bombers had degrees or higher yet somehow they were able to partition their minds in such a way as to believe that cutting the throats of air hostesses and flying planes in buildings at 400 miles an hour was sane and a good idea!

At least some people can give up smoking! Not true for tattoos, once u get them u keep them, while years later you may regret them. As for the wonderful artwork and craftsmanship that goes into tattoos? I wouldn't deny it. Just that I would not like it practiced on my body or the body of a loved one. I seen one guy here who replied to one of my comments and his body was covered in a huge tattoo. For me such a guy would automatically have no chance of me being ever interested in him but that does not mean I wouldn't be polite to him.

Any man or woman that would have a huge tattoo on their body would be likely to have some issues or personality/character problems. Just my view and probably a similar instinct as to the reaction to Britney shears shaving her head and then getting tattoos all in the same breath.

As was said better than me earlier:

U wanna tattoo? GO AHEAD!

U don't wanna tattoo THEN DON'T GET ONE!

Mia smiley , surely there is a subject you don't have an opinion on, or am i

wrong ?

I think it your common goal is to try to offend everyone on here, with your cheap psycho analyzing and character assassination.

What do you know really about life at your tender age , apart from what you are regurgitating from college ( or cut n ' pasting )

The most highly questionable statement so far from you is when you said you would not introduce Vindy to your friends or family .....

What makes you so special princess ?

Maybe he would not want to be associated with a person with such stereotypical views, if you lean any more to the right you will be on very dangerous ground....

I am sure if you send other TF'ers self righteous PM's like you did with me, i will be not the only one who has blocked you.....

To be " a know it all " and have no humility is a very, very bad trait to have and doe's not endear yourself to people, which after time i'm sure you will find out if you carry on this path.....

"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

Confucius, The Confucian Analects

Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)......

[Princess]

You want a tattoo? Get it. You want people to respect your choice? Fine. But it's a two way street. No one HAS to be supportive and accepting of the fact that you chose to mark your skin with some vague drawing that you were never intended to have in the first place. If babies came out of the womb horribly scarred with green ink, then I would agree that forming stereotypes over a 'condition' that cannot be helped is wrong. As it stands, I do not condone the stereotype about tattooed people, but I do see where it comes from.

If you chose to do that to yourself, live with your choice. Just as you love tattoos and have many reasons for doing so, there will be people who hate them and have many reasons for doing so.

[Princess]

Money and class and different things!

D Beckham and Victoria will never have any class, they are both sad wannabe celebs who in years to come will be forgotten.

People are different and they also sometimes can fall into certain categories. We humans use generalizations all the time, everyday of the week, nothing wrong with that so long as it is not an absolute and devoid of malice.

White Trash is an unfortunate but now widely used term that has a function, just like when you say some guy is a real a**hole! People know and understand what you mean without having to pick over every possible angle/perspective. ITS SHORT HAND!

Yes white trash are far more likely to have Tattoos than not and yes there is still a certain stigma associated with Tattoos just about everywhere in polite society. Clearly in the Art world or among arty types there will be a far greater uptake in having all manner of body markings like Tattoos and piercings etc. Same is true for the Adult entertainment industry prostitutes and lower class people in general. That does not preclude there being plenty of classy people with tattoos [though it would be an exception] or that people with tattoos can and be very nice and decent people indeed. It just is a fact that society has certain conventions which while sometimes flexible need to be noted before doing things that leave one outside the main stream .

If the same number of women who got tattoos all shaved all their hair off what would be wrong with that? Actually nothing in a literal sense and so too with tattos. People do make judgments about people based on looks/appearance and other signs of their personality that are striking. Might not like it but there it is! Tattoos are fine for some people but mot at all for many others, while most people would not get one they probably could not care less much about other peoples tattoos.

Nevertheless my advice to any girl is that any guy with a tattoo or piercing is far more likely to be of less character than if he didn't have them. That does not mean one should not give a guy a chance and accept people for how you find them. It just means you are aware of one of the possible signs of a persons character. Personally I can find nothing additional that appeals to me which a man having a tattoo would reveal and more often it is likely to be a turn off or a sign of a character I don't care for. Which is not to say that it would have to be either relevant or something negative.

Years ago smoking was so FASHIONABLE and marketed as glamorous and somehow sexy? It was in the movies, on the TV and everywhere the message was similar. Smoking was sophisticated and modern.

How we can laugh at such utter nonsense now! Now we know it is a disgusting and dangerous habit with no good aspects to it at all! It does not make people who smoke disgusting but it is a fact that what they do when smoking is disgusting.

Even doctors who should know better smoke, people of all class etc etc yet as another generalization this too is the exception that upholds the general rule/guiding reality. In general people who smoke, have tattos and have body piercings are far far more likely to conform to a negative stereotype about which socio economic section of a society a person comes from and their educational level [or lack of] again education is a hard thing to pin down as a guide of intelligence too.

All of the 911 bombers had degrees or higher yet somehow they were able to partition their minds in such a way as to believe that cutting the throats of air hostesses and flying planes in buildings at 400 miles an hour was sane and a good idea!

At least some people can give up smoking! Not true for tattoos, once u get them u keep them, while years later you may regret them. As for the wonderful artwork and craftsmanship that goes into tattoos? I wouldn't deny it. Just that I would not like it practiced on my body or the body of a loved one. I seen one guy here who replied to one of my comments and his body was covered in a huge tattoo. For me such a guy would automatically have no chance of me being ever interested in him but that does not mean I wouldn't be polite to him.

Any man or woman that would have a huge tattoo on their body would be likely to have some issues or personality/character problems. Just my view and probably a similar instinct as to the reaction to Britney shears shaving her head and then getting tattoos all in the same breath.

As was said better than me earlier:

U wanna tattoo? GO AHEAD!

U don't wanna tattoo THEN DON'T GET ONE!

Mia smiley , surely there is a subject you don't have an opinion on, or am i

wrong ?

I think it your common goal is to try to offend everyone on here, with your cheap psycho analyzing and character assassination.

What do you know really about life at your tender age , apart from what you are regurgitating from college ( or cut n ' pasting )

The most highly questionable statement so far from you is when you said you would not introduce Vindy to your friends or family .....

What makes you so special princess ?

Maybe he would not want to be associated with a person with such stereotypical views, if you lean any more to the right you will be on very dangerous ground....

I am sure if you send other TF'ers self righteous PM's like you did with me, i will be not the only one who has blocked you.....

To be " a know it all " and have no humility is a very, very bad trait to have and doe's not endear yourself to people, which after time i'm sure you will find out if you carry on this path.....

"He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good."

Confucius, The Confucian Analects

Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC)......

Actually, I think *you* are the one attacking her. Didn't she raise some valid points about how social stigmas are attached to habits that were once considered cool and trendy like smoking?

As for the "what do you know at your age" ad hominem (among others), if older people were really all that smart, they'd have the answers for everything. Instead what I see is a lot of failure, mistakes and bad decisions - in other words, no one really has a clue no matter what their age is. Experience does not gain you immunity from making mistakes and if it's factual knowledge you're going to fall back on, then it's 2007 dearie - almost everyone has an encyclopedia at their fingertips.

Throughout your post I have seen not one proper rebuttal of the facts she has pointed out. No, I'm not jumping to her defense, just interested to see what YOU could come up with that's so much better than what she said. All you have done is get snarky and try to put her down because she said she wouldn't want tattooed men - *snort* typical.

P.S- I'm sure there are a lot of older people who think tattoos are negative for many reasons. What's your excuse for them? If a 60-year old man said the same thing she said...what would you say in place of your oh-so-eloquent and sharp "you're to young to know anything" ?