tj_biggie Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi, I have been living here for nearly 3 years i know what goes on, I met this girl the other night, seemed pretty cool, she seems innocent, and can be easily led astray, It seems like she is being kept there against her on will to work in the bar, There is the farrang Ex boyfriend thats keeping her there i dropped her off to pick up her things so she could come stay at my place so she can get back on her own 2 feet. and out comes the an old thai lady to tell me she having boyfriend problems, i quickly realize its the lady boss from next door, i get out of my car and ask hey i wanna talk to the girl to make sure shes ok, out walks the apparent boyfriend turns out thats her Ex boyfriend he owns the bar tells me to piss off, i do then i get back out of my car again because i realize that he is the boss, he gets angry and runs into the back of the bar rooms where the girls stay and slams the door, its obvious he is making her stay there he must of brought her off the family or there there is a money problem she owes, or something this girl is just 18, this girl is scared bad. i made a quick phone call and this guy has don't it before some problem. im not a bar crawler i hate paying for sex, i payed the bar fine so she could come out and party with a group of good friends, I was thinking of getting a friend to go there and bar fine her and get her away from the place, The Katoi mama san got her on weed last week, im guessing next week she will be on Yabba so shes stuck in a downhill battle, and will never get out of there, I just wanna get her away from the whole scene and the system What do i do? Is there a thai rule against this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moo_noy Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 careful might be all for show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj_biggie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 i live here long enough to know this is not some show, they really didnt want her to leave the bar, its not because of her, because of the owner who has an influence on her, i have lived here long enough to know wot is going on and i truely believe this girl needs help, and im not talking money, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_lung Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Unfortunately this kind of situation is not that uncommon. You can try to negotiate her freedom, i.e., how much would it cost for you to buy her "contract" to give her freedom. This usually backfires because the mamasan/papasan are too greedy to be reasonable. Perhaps a better alternative would be to pay her bar fine and once outside send her to stay with a friend or someone upcountry far from where she works. In other words, help her to disappear. This doesn't work, however, when the mamasan/papasan know where to find YOU and hold you responsible for their loss of income. I think you've heard the stories about how cheap it is to hire a hit man in Thailand. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeAussieGuy Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Such a tragedy that this happens in a supposed civilised world to anyone let alone to someone so young. Problem is you dont know this girl well enough to know what she will do. If she can't earn money doing something else and that is all she knows or can do chances are she will go right back to it again, and possibly the same place if that is all she knows. Suggest you pay the bar fine give her some money and put her on a bus back home, then get the hell out of this. If she knows where you live, move. If they get hold of her they will get it out of her. I dont believe going to the police will help at all, the newspapers, well how many girls do you think are in this position, sadly so many I can guess. Unless a newspapers wants to take up the cause they wont do a thing. Remember the police get paid from these bars and you are not only dealing with this prick you could be dealing with the police he pays for protection. 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grooved_Arete Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 tj_biggie and Periboea Yes a very disturbing story but not one, unfortunately, that just relates to Thailand. What you have described is coercion and sadly England has a major problem in this regard too - the trafficing of people who are then forced to work as prostitutes in brothels - not just S.E. Asian girls but those from East European countries. tj_biggie I shall PM you with an idea that might provide some breathing space for the girl but it needs some careful thought. Failing a softly, softly approach, as Periboea has explained, may be a contingent of reporters from the Bangkok Post, or The Nation might produce the result you wish for. If she is under 18, then you might be able to get the full force of the law against those responsible; the new administration might be interested in making an example of the people holding this girl against her wishes? Sincerely, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_lung Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. But if you want someone banned from TF, the going price for buying off a Mod is much less. Oops! Off-topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. But if you want someone banned from TF, the going price for buying off a Mod is much less. Oops! Off-topic! Got anything to back those bold words up with? Or have you joined the 'TF-victim' cult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condotown Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Go report it to the police and keep this crap off of TF. It's about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is the wrong place to be whining about alleged "sex slaves". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankenburner2 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. But if you want someone banned from TF, the going price for buying off a Mod is much less. Oops! Off-topic! it's alot more expensive that you think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigKus Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 i live here long enough to know this is not some show, they really didnt want her to leave the bar, its not because of her, because of the owner who has an influence on her, i have lived here long enough to know wot is going on and i truely believe this girl needs help, and im not talking money, ..:: if you live here a bit longer you would see more and diffirent kinds of stories.., take it easy..your 'live here long enough' might be too short for those 'BAR GIRLS''s stories. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj_biggie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 windup your a fruit loop and have no heart, i know and fully aware of how much a hit costs life in thailand is cheap worth $10,000 a hit its just a shame, my friends drove past and she was no where to be found and the owner aswell suprise suprise looks like it wasnt a show, its the first time i have seen it or been involved in it just sad, and it aint about the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condotown Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 windup your a fruit loop and have no heart, i know and fully aware of how much a hit costs life in thailand is cheap worth $10,000 a hit its just a shame, my friends drove past and she was no where to be found and the owner aswell suprise suprise looks like it wasnt a show, its the first time i have seen it or been involved in it just sad, and it aint about the money Isn't about the money??? How many people are forced to get up and go to work every morning against their own will.... Really if they weren't getting paid, how many people would go to work? So many people are slaves to their work. And you're a slave to your own self righteous beliefs about some individual case of pseudo-exploitation.. boo hoo No heart?? Why should I care about this girl? As far as I know, she doesn't care about me either, so we're even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca_tirana Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Once you removed your caped crusader costume from this one let me know. I have had a couple of emails from girls in Ghana who need saving from local warlords. If your their knight in shining armour a large bounty will be yours from there late fathers hidden fortune. Got to go save the world, its about to spin of its axis. Good luck brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj_biggie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 you guys have no heart or soul, she is a sex slave being forced dont you get it, im just trying to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
condotown Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 you guys have no heart or soul, she is a sex slave being forced dont you get it, im just trying to help Ummm okay. How exactly are you trying to help? Let us all know how your efforts turn out. I want to know because your scolding has made me care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborz Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. what is the actual point of this comment? I hear these comments more than I care to in Thailand always from farangs.... is it an implied " I am in the know comment" or a genuine warning, perhaps just scare tactics? Concern? If the guy IS genuine.... which is doubtful.... how does this help? I really dont see the need for this on this forum, there is already way too much misconception that people are getting off'd all over the place without adding fuel to the fire, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of Thailand or the people. Not denying it happens but then it happens in London too, where as in Thailand the Thai's are less willing to get involved in Farang issues... in London there are no ethnic barriers, go figure. Well said mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeAussieGuy Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. what is the actual point of this comment? I hear these comments more than I care to in Thailand always from farangs.... is it an implied " I am in the know comment" or a genuine warning, perhaps just scare tactics? Concern? If the guy IS genuine.... which is doubtful.... how does this help? I really dont see the need for this on this forum, there is already way too much misconception that people are getting off'd all over the place without adding fuel to the fire, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of Thailand or the people. Not denying it happens but then it happens in London too, where as in Thailand the Thai's are less willing to get involved in Farang issues... in London there are no ethnic barriers, go figure. Well said mate. If you read my entire post it is equally of concern for the guy posting as it is for the girl in question. I made comments that he should be careful particularly if his address or place of employment is known to the girl. I then went onto say that chances are the police may be on the take from the bar, is this unusual? My point in regards to the 10,000 bt, is that he should be aware that is how much it costs to get him bumped off or end up beaten in hospital and he should be aware of the dangerous waters he is swimming in when dealing with these type of people. Your own words "As for advice.... should it be true.... find one of your circle of friends with a gram of street smarts and ask their advice.... don't go in full guns blazing as farangs who own go go bars are connected by the very nature of the business... and if god forbid she is bullshitting you... that could get messy". That is my entire point, things could get messy for him and whether you choose to believe it or not a few hundred bucks is what it takes to get someone put away or badly beaten. I notice that there is no comment to Periboea which for some reason she edited, where she claimed 5,000bt is all that is needed. As for how this one liner destroying the reputation of Thailand, it is your post that suggested people are being " off'd all over the place" not mine. This thead is about a girl being basically kept against her will and used as a sex slave, can there be anything worse? This is what gives Thailand a bad name or isn't that a fact until someone hands out a business card saying Sex Slave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_blueeyes Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Sorry mate but something in your story doesn't add up. If she is a "sex slave" working in a bar, then doesn't she have to leave the premises of the bar in order to have sex with customers? I'm assuming that this isn't a brothel with rooms inside. In other words, if she doesn't leave the bar to sleep with her customers than she doesn't make any money for her boss, so how can she be a "sex slave" if her boss won't let her leave the bar? My guess is that her boss (ex-boyfriend) might still have feelings for her and didn't want to see her sleep with another man, that's why she wasn't allowed to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJR Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 10,000bt will get you knocked off in this town. what is the actual point of this comment? I hear these comments more than I care to in Thailand always from farangs.... is it an implied " I am in the know comment" or a genuine warning, perhaps just scare tactics? Concern? If the guy IS genuine.... which is doubtful.... how does this help? I really dont see the need for this on this forum, there is already way too much misconception that people are getting off'd all over the place without adding fuel to the fire, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of Thailand or the people. Not denying it happens but then it happens in London too, where as in Thailand the Thai's are less willing to get involved in Farang issues... in London there are no ethnic barriers, go figure. Well said mate. If you read my entire post it is equally of concern for the guy posting as it is for the girl in question. I made comments that he should be careful particularly if his address or place of employment is known to the girl. I then went onto say that chances are the police may be on the take from the bar, is this unusual? My point in regards to the 10,000 bt which by the way is NOT implied it is fact, is that he should be aware that is how much it costs to get him bumped off or end up beaten in hospital and he should be aware of the dangerous waters he is swimming in when dealing with these type of people. Your own words "As for advice.... should it be true.... find one of your circle of friends with a gram of street smarts and ask their advice.... don't go in full guns blazing as farangs who own go go bars are connected by the very nature of the business... and if god forbid she is bullshitting you... that could get messy". That is my entire point, things could get messy for him and whether you choose to believe it or not a few hundred bucks is what it takes to get someone put away or badly beaten. I notice that there is no comment to Periboea which for some reason she edited, where she claimed 5,000bt is all that is needed. As for how this one liner destroying the reputation of Thailand, it is your post that suggested people are being " off'd all over the place" not mine. This thead is about a girl being basically kept against her will and used as a sex slave, can there be anything worse? This is what gives Thailand a bad name or isn't that a fact until someone hands out a business card saying Sex Slave? You should try living in Glasgow where you can get the deed done for a deep fried mars bar and two bottles of Irn bru. Doesnt enhance our fair city one little bit, but it does go on if you are unlucky enuough to get yourself involved in such a murky world im sure, which is what the above caller was trying to point out to the guy wheather he is genuine or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeAussieGuy Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I wont turn this into a quote war, the subject is too serious to home in on a single line that is essentially inconsequential to the subject. We are both entitled to our opinions I respect your's and I will stick to mine. The only point I will make here is I said "..... is NOT implied it is fact", not the other way around where you said " And if it's not factual why post as if you are an authority on the subject? Authority in the true sense of the word is not what I consider myself to be, I didn't say I was. I have been here 5 years and have seen enough through association with others to know this isn't dreamland stuff, make your own mind up if I dreamt it up, I don't really care. Not sure about the mentioning of Generals names to Police, actually this whole point you made here confused me so PM me if you would like and we can take it offline, your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben1 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hi, I have been living here for nearly 3 years i know what goes on, I met this girl the other night, seemed pretty cool, she seems innocent, and can be easily led astray, It seems like she is being kept there against her on will to work in the bar, There is the farrang Ex boyfriend thats keeping her there i dropped her off to pick up her things so she could come stay at my place so she can get back on her own 2 feet. If you don't want to hear the stories stay away from the BARS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_blueeyes Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 The bottom line is.... if the alleged "sex slave" was a slightly paunchy mid-30's bargirl with a bad case of adult acne, the OP probably wouldn't give it more than a passing thought but b/c the girl is 18, hot, and the OP wants to boink her, suddenly a bunch of random strangers on the 'net are speculating about why one bargirl's jealous ex-boyfriend wouldn't let her leave the bar to boink the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 you guys have no heart or soul, she is a sex slave being forced dont you get it, im just trying to help man u don't f**king get it !!! either u r a wind up or just plain f**king dumb !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo_V2.0 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 im not a bar crawler i hate paying for sex, i payed the bar fine so she could come out and party with a group of good friends, Paid the bar fine to go "party" with friends ... Yeah right. If you hate paying for sex, stop paying, and what are you doing hanging around beer bars?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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