Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 beej - you shouldn't assume that just because someone signs the petition that that is all they will do. for many, that might be the case. but not for everyone. and even ASSK has said it is usually a vanguard that leads the way to change. but i have to tell you that for people inside burma who are wondering if anyone out there gives a damn - and they are pretty isolated in there - even a petition means something to them. it is still better than doing absolutely nothing. if you just dump on people they will tune you out. so instead of criticizing people who sign, be more positive about it. urge them to take the next step. urge them to do more. we do need people to do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 right now, ozode, you've got my vote for commander in chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 You can all rag on about how negative I am but I just want to point out how if you really cared maybe you should think about REALLY doing something other than writing your name down. So what the **** are you doing? I mean you clearly feel THAT strongly about it. So come on what? Please dont say your designing a T shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I just thought I better let people know how lazy they are, how easy to please and short sighted they are.Only a radical movement or serious change would be needed to get something done and 99.9999 % of people are either too scared or too lazy to do anything about it. And I clearly see how encouraging you are with your contribution and inputs you bring here, It seems always to be so damn important for you to bring the negative aspect into what ever you comment on. Hope at least it make you happy,than at least it serve a purpose. Bring your predictable reply I think it's fashionable amongst artists to bring in negative comments into everything they do and say. "This is f*cking sh*t, that is f*cking sh*t, He is f*cking sh*t, SHE is f*cking sh*t, your views are f*cking sh*t, your efforts are f*cking sh*t"... There is another 'artist' on here who is exactly the same. Oh really? Who? I voted btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Lobs, I'd love to start a campaign but sadly I have one I'm already involved in that takes up far too much time and I feel more passionate about it than the Burmese plight. OK lets share. If it's more deserving than Burma I want to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'd rather not rag on about my charity bit, but its something I feel strongly about and something I can't leave mid way throughor it would just be a farce. The people of Burma would love to know the worlds behind them..... but how? Its not going to be posted all over the media is it? Hardly going to have a look on the internet are they? So just how will they find out you all care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beej Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Ozode, your really into writing to your congressman! Hope he's not too busy trying to get a shifty wank in a public toilets somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'd rather not rag on about my charity bit, but its something I feel strongly about and something I can't leave mid way throughor it would just be a farce. Thats a bit of a pansy arsed insecure answer. Surely you want to highlight it and enlist the help of others, or is this your own personal crusade that no one else can join? Perhaps you should give us the opportunity to comment on your actions, they may well be worthless and a complete ******* waste of time, just because you believe it is worthwhile does not mean the rest of us would agree and as you are so keen to offer an opinion maybe you should be open to listen to a few. My old dad always told me if you can dish it son take it as well. But thats a little bit too much exposure right? It's OK to kick someone else in the bollocks for doing their bit, whether you agree with their methods or not but when it comes to your own "bit" your too shy to talk about it? You should either give the OP a break and an apology or back your keyboard warrior skills up with something a bit better than "I do my bit" because that just sounds like bollocks to me. My bit for example is close to home, I put a kid through school, I dont need help to do it and I see the results so I know I am making a difference. On a bigger issue like this what can I do? A vote on a website which may or may not make a difference? OK I can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i4God Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Myanmar Imports-Exports According to CIA World Fact Book 2006 Exports Partners: Thailand 49% India 12/8% China 5.3% Japan 5.2% Import Partners: China 34% Thailand 21.8% Singapore 16.2 Maylaysia 4.7% South Korea 4.3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackerel Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Well there is a good discussion here and thanks Beej... your negative approach is always very stimulating for others to comment! Ozode: I vote for you as well to be commander in here! You suprised me with your good comments! To Beej: maybe you should try this for a day to think about your strategies, maybe you'll get some artistic inspiration as well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 The people of Burma would love to know the worlds behind them..... but how? Its not going to be posted all over the media is it? Hardly going to have a look on the internet are they? So just how will they find out you all care? They will know. There are people inside Burma with internet access, and there are other channels also. They are not totally cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Myanmar Imports-Exports According to CIA World Fact Book 2006 Exports Partners: Thailand 49% India 12/8% China 5.3% Japan 5.2% Import Partners: China 34% Thailand 21.8% Singapore 16.2 Maylaysia 4.7% South Korea 4.3% These statistics are probably from legal trade. So much of Burma's imports/exports are illegal, and therefore unrecorded. I would bet they are sending a lot more stuff to China illegally, including timber, gems and other resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackerel Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I put 25% of my companies earnings into building new schools and funding them in impoverished areas and slums around Asia and Africa, my tiny mind thinks that education is the key building block in making stong comunites and bringing people out of poverty. Do I think this is more worthy that most causes, yes. Would I like to see Burma run by non f*ck wits, yes, but hows it going to happen? If you would like to join us we will be doing our bit on Dec 24th in Bangkok. The funbury helped that quick?... wow I am amazed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Myanmar Imports-Exports According to CIA World Fact Book 2006 Exports Partners: Thailand 49% India 12/8% China 5.3% Japan 5.2% Import Partners: China 34% Thailand 21.8% Singapore 16.2 Maylaysia 4.7% South Korea 4.3% These figures are great but what do they mean, should Thailand stop importing stuff from Burma? That would hurt the people more than the Generals I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I put 25% of my companies earnings into building new schools and funding them in impoverished areas and slums around Asia and Africa, my tiny mind thinks that education is the key building block in making stong comunites and bringing people out of poverty. Do I think this is more worthy that most causes, yes. Would I like to see Burma run by non f*ck wits, yes, but hows it going to happen? If you would like to join us we will be doing our bit on Dec 24th in Bangkok. The funbury helped that quick?... wow I am amazed! Funbury made me laugh, I'd love to stick a few people in there!!! It was just to make Tattoo Dude happy, I'm not sure what he wanted to hear though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Myanmar Imports-Exports According to CIA World Fact Book 2006 Exports Partners: Thailand 49% India 12/8% China 5.3% Japan 5.2% Import Partners: China 34% Thailand 21.8% Singapore 16.2 Maylaysia 4.7% South Korea 4.3% These figures are great but what do they mean, should Thailand stop importing stuff from Burma? That would hurt the people more than the Generals I fear. Probably not. Most of what Thailand is importing is natural gas and raw materials, not manufactured goods. It is the generals making money off of that, not the people. But don't expect Thailand or China to stop importing from Burma. And that's not really the point. I agree with you that a boycott of Chinese goods would be a more effective tactic. If that could be done effectively, then the Chinese would lean on the generals to start making some concessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I put 25% of my companies earnings into building new schools and funding them in impoverished areas and slums around Asia and Africa, my tiny mind thinks that education is the key building block in making stong comunites and bringing people out of poverty. Do I think this is more worthy that most causes, yes. Would I like to see Burma run by non f*ck wits, yes, but hows it going to happen? If you would like to join us we will be doing our bit on Dec 24th in Bangkok. Just to prove a point......... from your website, hope you don't mind? "Sorry we still have no shopping cart or credit card check out, but at least that means we can have a little chat with you all!" The contact page: "We don?t usually answer the phone, either out of fright that it might be our printer?s mother, the police, or a time share salesman, so it?s best to email us, and we will reply as soon as we have had a cup of coffee and moaned sufficiently about the state of the world today." Also no Banksie designs? There the original money spinners in this genre no? No stock either I bet that 25% is worth the square root of **** all about now? ******* waste of time.. *please note I agree with none of what I just said above and I am sure that the charity in question is both worthwhile and the donation by this company is very generous, just highlighting that if we all wanted to slag others efforts off we could quite easily, so no need to justify anything Beej... good effort, education is where it's at. Maybe though you could give others a break for doing their "bit" even if in your mind it is a waste of time?* I am in Bangkok for the tattoo expo on the 23rd at MBK if you visit come see me I am sure our studio can offer something if your interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Look, this thread is supposed to be about Burma and helping the people there. Could we please not turn this into a personal feud? If you wanna have a go at each other, do it in the fake breasts thread or someplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iBatch Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Look, this thread is supposed to be about Burma and helping the people there.Could we please not turn this into a personal feud? If you wanna have a go at each other, do it in the fake breasts thread or someplace. Ha ha ha NICE ONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I put 25% of my companies earnings into building new schools and funding them in impoverished areas and slums around Asia and Africa, my tiny mind thinks that education is the key building block in making stong comunites and bringing people out of poverty. Do I think this is more worthy that most causes, yes. Would I like to see Burma run by non f*ck wits, yes, but hows it going to happen? If you would like to join us we will be doing our bit on Dec 24th in Bangkok. Just to prove a point......... from your website, hope you don't mind? "Sorry we still have no shopping cart or credit card check out, but at least that means we can have a little chat with you all!" The contact page: "We don?t usually answer the phone, either out of fright that it might be our printer?s mother, the police, or a time share salesman, so it?s best to email us, and we will reply as soon as we have had a cup of coffee and moaned sufficiently about the state of the world today." Also no Banksie designs? There the original money spinners in this genre no? No stock either I bet that 25% is worth the square root of f*ck all about now? f*cking waste of time.. *please note I agree with none of what I just said above and I am sure that the charity in question is both worthwhile and the donation by this company is very generous, just highlighting that if we all wanted to slag others efforts off we could quite easily, so no need to justify anything Beej... good effort, education is where it's at. Maybe though you could give others a break for doing their "bit" even if in your mind it is a waste of time?* I am in Bangkok for the tattoo expo on the 23rd at MBK if you visit come see me I am sure our studio can offer something if your interested? OH NO shock horror everything sold out, everything that is released sells out in a matter of seconds, making a grand total of $40,000 to charity this year alone thats not such a bad figure for some pikey little business. Banksy is a friend of mine, and is contracted to print with POW I only print original art and could not rip off his designs. I like you run my business how I want to and hope yours is as sucessful as mine, if you would like to give a % on the 24th your welcome to come with us. Did you miss the point of my post? Perhaps when you think about it the penny may drop. Think you owe the OP an apology, I also think I made it pretty clear that my post was in no way derogatory of what you do or the charity you support merely an example of how we can all be arseholes under the wrong circumstances if we try. Geddit? I tip my hat to you, both of my companies are doing very well and so is the new studio, I have no problem in saying that my generosity does not extend to 40k in donations that is very generous indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Look, this thread is supposed to be about Burma and helping the people there. I don't believe that anyone is stopping you from helping the people of Burma. Unless of course I am missing the point and this thread on this website is directly easing the problem there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tattoodude Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 do it in the fake breasts thread or someplace. Cant find. Got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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