Chatty Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Giving up one's seat on the Skytrain to a needier person is one thing. Being expected to carry wheelchair bound people up the stairs is quite another. That's expecting a bit too much from strangers, if you ask me. sukhumvit soi nana farang that statement sums you up really. :roll: That one statement of mine, uk_soldier, no more sums me up than does your inability to write a sentence in your own native language without a spelling or punctuation error sum you up. As it happens, I'm an extraordinarily helpful person when it comes to such things. In any case, this is an issue for which there is no right or wrong answer. Differing opinions are allowed. And my opinion is as I stated: While it is unfortunate that somebody is in a wheelchair without a way to get up the BTS stairs, one can't just EXPECT complete strangers to carry another full grown human being up the stairs. As Periboea reasonably pointed out, some people have back problems; some people are tired; some people might not be strong enough; etc. I try to picture myself carrying that woman up the stairs - and it's not a pretty picture. Where should I hold her / how should I carry her? Should I flip her over my shoulder? What if I drop her? Etc. The point, once again as Periboea rightly pointed out, is that this is a matter to be resolved by the BTS. It should not be necessary for handicapped passengers to have to count on a strong gentleman (or bCool) being at the station when they arrive in a wheelchair. Well, I think you should go back to see what i wrote again... or may be it's not that clear. These women came from somewhere on the sky walk (I meant the bridge from Siam paragon to Chidlom station.) and the stairs has 4-5 steps up to the station. ok? So I didn't think it was hard for people around to help the woman in the wheel chair. Yes, you can blame the BTS about that problem... but in that time, no elevator, no path for wheel chair... what you would do if you were there. Yes, p'Nicky point was right, may be the guys who were there had problem with their body. But I have problem with my back as well. That time I didn't think about myself. Look! I'm not a man, I'm not a saint, I'm not a nice person. I didn't think what I have done can make me to be a hero but no one around helping her, so I had to do it. She didn't ask for help, believe me... you could say it's none of my business... but I wanted to do. bigcatbus said Feeling a pain about every person will ruin your heart. Think about hundreds of Isarn girls, who work in the bars to support their families. Totally ruined young souls. yes yes I understand your point man!! there are many big problems that we have to care about. Here is my point. We do what we can do.. OR can give a try to do. as I said I'm not hero or saint or princess...and I'm not a nice person though. About Isaarn girls or any girls who work in the bars I can't help. I can't change the way they think or educate them. I don't know how. I just reduce using plastic bags...to save the world, trying to save water... donated my organs... and donate for children heart surgeries... It's not big things but I'm happy to do.. happy to help. How about you? Never want to make this world be a nice place to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Well said Bcool. And good for you for saying it. Every little bit helps and is better than not trying anything at all. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Since you started already why don't you tell us more who is the 40+ years old, local, erm you referred to. Did the 40+ years old happen to step on your toes or something? Yes - they step on my toes everytime they jump the queue in their rush to get a seat on the bloody BTS!! having done some detailed studies in the law of physics and having seen the size of ur belly . . . i can safely conculde it would be impossible for anybody to step on ur toes !! That is some funny sh*t right there... I can just see him now......brain going into overdrive trying to think of a good comeback!! Take a bit of doing from that one tho C'mon Stu , tell everybody you're already sitting down when they step on your toes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 or stepped on your lap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hard to find cause they already found someone before they meet you! :shock: :roll: i'm afraid this isn't my point. I didn't tell you I was finding gentlemen for myself. So, if they did found someone to spent their life with... that's non of my business at all. May be you are trying to make a joke...but... sorry it's wrong point. sorry to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sorry if u doesn't get my joke Well, your joke is a normal one... it is not hard to get ... but as i said it's just wrong point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatbus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 How about you? Never want to make this world be a nice place to live? I'm always make world a nice place to live. Offer seat to older people, when I use public transport (2-3 times in year I use public transport). Pay taxes. Pay barfines to poor Isaan girls, but not f*ck them. But, I will not try to carry wheelchair with someone, cos this will be about 80 kg+ weight. I can't imagine someone in wheelchair on Sukhumvit road pavements - crowded, full of people and nothing comfortable to people with disabilities. I'm serious. If I have enough power to help - I will help. No more and no less. And I'm not expect any returns regarding my help. My ex-wife now live in bed end wheelchair. After a brain attack she don't move and when she transported from hospital to home, 3 man's carry her from car to home door. That's all what I may say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhumvit_Farang Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Giving up one's seat on the Skytrain to a needier person is one thing. Being expected to carry wheelchair bound people up the stairs is quite another. That's expecting a bit too much from strangers, if you ask me. sukhumvit soi nana farang that statement sums you up really. :roll: That one statement of mine, uk_soldier, no more sums me up than does your inability to write a sentence in your own native language without a spelling or punctuation error sum you up. As it happens, I'm an extraordinarily helpful person when it comes to such things. In any case, this is an issue for which there is no right or wrong answer. Differing opinions are allowed. And my opinion is as I stated: While it is unfortunate that somebody is in a wheelchair without a way to get up the BTS stairs, one can't just EXPECT complete strangers to carry another full grown human being up the stairs. As Periboea reasonably pointed out, some people have back problems; some people are tired; some people might not be strong enough; etc. I try to picture myself carrying that woman up the stairs - and it's not a pretty picture. Where should I hold her / how should I carry her? Should I flip her over my shoulder? What if I drop her? Etc. The point, once again as Periboea rightly pointed out, is that this is a matter to be resolved by the BTS. It should not be necessary for handicapped passengers to have to count on a strong gentleman (or bCool) being at the station when they arrive in a wheelchair. Well, I think you should go back to see what i wrote again... or may be it's not that clear. These women came from somewhere on the sky walk (I meant the bridge from Siam paragon to Chidlom station.) and the stairs has 4-5 steps up to the station. ok? So I didn't think it was hard for people around to help the woman in the wheel chair. Yes, you can blame the BTS about that problem... but in that time, no elevator, no path for wheel chair... what you would do if you were there. Yes, p'Nicky point was right, may be the guys who were there had problem with their body. But I have problem with my back as well. That time I didn't think about myself. Look! I'm not a man, I'm not a saint, I'm not a nice person. I didn't think what I have done can make me to be a hero but no one around helping her, so I had to do it. She didn't ask for help, believe me... you could say it's none of my business... but I wanted to do. bigcatbus said Feeling a pain about every person will ruin your heart. Think about hundreds of Isarn girls, who work in the bars to support their families. Totally ruined young souls. yes yes I understand your point man!! there are many big problems that we have to care about. Here is my point. We do what we can do.. OR can give a try to do. as I said I'm not hero or saint or princess...and I'm not a nice person though. About Isaarn girls or any girls who work in the bars I can't help. I can't change the way they think or educate them. I don't know how. I just reduce using plastic bags...to save the world, trying to save water... donated my organs... and donate for children heart surgeries... It's not big things but I'm happy to do.. happy to help. How about you? Never want to make this world be a nice place to live? I must confess that I did misread your original post. I had it in my mind that you were expecting people to carry that lady up to the BTS from the ground level. My mistake. I know the place you are talking about and it is, as you said, only about five steps. In that case, if I had seen the incident you reported, I would have looked around for another able-bodied person (perhaps a BTS security guard) and together with him/her I would have lifted the lady and her wheelchair to the top of the stairs. The fact that YOU, as a woman, were able to carry the lady up those stairs, though, suggests that this was not a gentleman/non-gentleman issue. It was more a matter of inconsiderate vs. considerate PEOPLE. So your topic should have been headed "Aren't there any helpful people out there?" No need to shift the blame to men. If I, as a farang, had helped that lady, would it have been appropriate for me to say "Aren't there any helpful Thais out there? Are all Thais inconsiderate?" Of course not. This was not a matter of nationality - any more than it was a matter of gender. It was a matter of people - and their consideration - or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 i would have posted earlier but other people were waiting =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 i would have posted earlier but other people were waiting =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Pay barfines to poor Isaan girls, but not f*ck them. Does this make you a gentleman? :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Pay barfines to poor Isaan girls, but not f*ck them. Does this make you a gentleman? :shock: this is TF . . . . the bar for what makes a gentleman is pretty damm low !!! :roll: :roll: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatbus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Pay barfines to poor Isaan girls, but not f*ck them. Does this make you a gentleman? :shock: This is a joke with sarcasm I think if someone will take close to heart so much feelings, his/her own heart will be ruined. Of course, If someone need help or some disaster occurs, there is no questions about need/no need to help. BUT, if someone will not help, there is no need to blame. Any individual make his/her own decisions. I think, anyone may tell stories, when he/she needs help and no one offer it. I remember, in 1994 after eye surgery I stand all the way from one terminal station to another (1 hour), I can't see anything and much pain after surgery, my mother ask people, and no one give me seat. Why not travel in taxi? Cos we are very poor in 1994, and cost of taxi was be very expensive for us. Should I blame people? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Pay barfines to poor Isaan girls, but not f*ck them. Does this make you a gentleman? :shock: this is TF . . . . the bar for what makes a gentleman is pretty damm low !!! :roll: :roll: :roll: and the fine for a gentleman, reasonable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatbus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Ok, let's stop joking. I think bCool have as much answers and opinions as she may want. And remember, any person may still remember some bad situation, when he/she do not offer right help and feel this for years. I still remember, 15 years ago I'm not offer my lower bed to man with small child in night train (8 hours from Second Capital to Old Capital). BUT, I buy a ticket to lower bed, because I'm afraid to fall at night from upper bed, and I was fall several times earlier. And, this man come with some female family members, they practically say I MUST offer my lower bed, but I refuse. I still feel guilty. The situation was solved a year later, when ministry of transport make lower beds are more expensive. Nothing to discuss about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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