KFC AD RACIST ???

[admin]

I think if you look back far enough in anyone from America's bloodline that you will see that there relatives were somehow owners of slaves. That is just a fact of history and at some point you have to let it go. You can't see where you are going if you are looking over your shoulder. Media and liberals have spun this issue enough.

Actually, we've been taking in immigrants continuously since the birth of the country. I'm an American. My family didn't immigrate until the late 1800's when slavery had long been abolished. And before that they came from a sleepy little village in Sicily where they were far more likely the ones being exploited than slave owners.

So what exactly do you mean 'anyone from America"? My family has lived there over 100 years and there is no slave ownership in my family history.

America abolished slavery in 1865. Every immigrant who has come after that time, many people in the North before then, and people who were not wealthy land owners prior to 1865, DID NOT HAVE SLAVES. So saying that EVERYONE in America can trace their roots to slavery is patently false.

[eagle]

Cracks me up hearing that whitey doesn't feel its racist. Police should use chicken for crowd control right ?

The thing is many Australians probably aren't even aware of the stereotype that African American's love eating chicken.

The people in the ad are supposed to be West Indian, their national Cricket team was on tour in Australia when they released the ad.

KFC is a major sponsor of Cricket, so it follows that they would make such an ad. Also that ad is just one of many in a series that KFC released for the Cricket summer.

One other ad, showed the same guy at his girlfriends house bored because the old folk weren't watching the Cricket. So his answer was to give them chicken, when they left for the kitchen, he then changed the tv channel.

Isn't that ad ageist ???

It's saying that old people will give up the tv channel if you give them chicken. Americans seem very quick to judge that something is racist without taking anything into consideration. It may be viewed as being racist in America but luckily that makes up less than 5% of the world's population.

As I doubt the rest of the world would see the ad as being racist. I think Americans are way too sensitive and I feel sorry for them, as I'd hate to live in a country with little tolerance.

Obviously in America; Pizza, Pasta, and Spaghetti sauce ads wouldn't feature Italian-Americans as that would be racist. We all know Italians eat other foods such as Lasagna

IN the US on first impression it would be put thru the talk show microscope. I wouldn't feel sorry for the US however, we don't corner the market on racial problems. Like all americans should be felt sorry for right cause there so sensitive. Try walking around NYC or San Francisco sometimes and tell me about racial tolerance. sheez relax and have some pizza.

[DANNO]

Cracks me up hearing that whitey doesn't feel its racist. Police should use chicken for crowd control right ?

The thing is many Australians probably aren't even aware of the stereotype that African American's love eating chicken.

The people in the ad are supposed to be West Indian, their national Cricket team was on tour in Australia when they released the ad.

KFC is a major sponsor of Cricket, so it follows that they would make such an ad. Also that ad is just one of many in a series that KFC released for the Cricket summer.

One other ad, showed the same guy at his girlfriends house bored because the old folk weren't watching the Cricket. So his answer was to give them chicken, when they left for the kitchen, he then changed the tv channel.

All this (above) puts the Ad in a logic context that makes sense and i am with ya Phil!

Isn't that ad ageist ???

It's saying that old people will give up the tv channel if you give them chicken.

I thinking you running abit too far now; someone can just as easily pull another unrelated example and weave it into a supporting context

Americans seem very quick to judge that something is racist without taking anything into consideration. It may be viewed as being racist in America but luckily that makes up less than 5% of the world's population.

And Geeez... now your are really out of bounds --- paint brushing 300 million by the same QUICK judgement you are complaining about... if it is true, the world is indeed very lucky Phil !

As I doubt the rest of the world would see the ad as being racist. run it by most of Africa see what is said...

I think Americans are way too sensitive and I feel sorry for them, as I'd hate to live in a country with little tolerance.

Come for a visit--keep both eyes open you might change your mind about the PC sensitiveity..I don't think you know many Americans (maybe you know what is on TV or the Movies; the press can stir things up a bit) but that is why they are around in our society to make us think...seems that most who come to live here.... are not in a hurry to leave...

Obviously in America; Pizza, Pasta, and Spaghetti sauce ads wouldn't feature Italian-Americans as that would be racist. We all know Italians eat other foods such as Lasagna

No, but interstingly enough...there are noisey (not large) Italian-American groups who were sensitive to the GODFATHER , other gangster moives and TV programs that they thought gave the impression that every Italian-American was in the Costra Nostra were they oversensitive I thought so...it's hollywood guys are some black-white issue overblown--yup (going in both directions between the races)--- how that going with the anglos and the native folks down-under? Not many "hands - clean" nationalities now--or ever mate!

to use a Tf topic of the week--- SORRY--- if I have misjudged your points

the first half was a good reminder of why we need to find out the context in which something was set in place...

The second half was a shallow defense of... I guess EAGLE's remark

...which was his take on it and has very little to do with the country as a whole...nor do the VDO comentators...but everyone is intitled to an opinion. and you too my friend! (IMHO)

[DANNO]

I think if you look back far enough in anyone from America's bloodline that you will see that there relatives were somehow owners of slaves.

SORRY cpt. think of how many American came to the country after 1864 (when slavery ended by law)

I know both sides of my family came after that date --Scots to Wisconsin(not exactly a stronghold of slavery)-Dad and Mom's from Canada. Now she has a little Native American in her line...( made me feel a bit better when that Souix Indian Casino beat me in Black-Jack so badly! )

That is just a fact of history and at some point you have to let it go.

YUP--with your thereof course we do risk dealing with being White in our own country every day.

You can't see where you are going if you are looking over your shoulder. Media and liberals have spun this issue enough.

If you are confident of where your headed and of good heart...where ever

the"spin" takes it will not be very far!

[eagle]

Danno wrote:

The second half was a shallow defense of... I guess EAGLE's remark

...which was his take on it and has very little to do with the country as a whole...nor do the VDO comentators...but everyone is intitled to an opinion. and you too my friend! (IMHO)

In the US it would have been grilled on the media just because they do that. Wasn't that an american show? The guy on the video provided didn't like it and thats his right but then Derwin wasn't bothered. I'm more concerned with the thread taking a shot at all americans I mean some of my best friends are americans.

[Dave40]

Oh and cricket?, I could care less about cricket!

Cricket is a great game especially when we beat the poms, the last 22 odd years have been great for us !!!!!!! (sorry stevie jr)

As for KFC I love their chips/fries with plenty of salt!!!!!

Not a fan of their chicken I am watching my waistline!!!

[GAV]

There were a whole string of adds the most topical being

1. Getting the crowd to "Shut Up" so he could concentrate on the game

2. How to get the best seat in the house (inside the fence lol)

3. Set the Father in Laws TV to the cricket (remove battries from the remote)

4. How to Scalp a POME scalper and get free tickets (my favourite) lol

and I think there were one or 2 others I cant remember right now None of em racist. All were more or less short cheeky comedy skits in a light hearted maner.

They should be judged in context and some f/witt in the US who would not know which way was UP has no hope of making a accurate comment on any of these adds. Dam Yanks cant tell the difference between a Fanny and an arse :roll: :roll:

[DANNO]

Dam Yanks cant tell the difference between a Fanny and an arse :roll: :roll:

yeah but we're catching on...thanks for the pointers :wink:

BTW ---ya got VDo of those other ones?

[GAV]

The others dont appear to be posted on Y Tube

Feel free to check the link

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=australian+kfc+cricket+ad&search_type=&aq=5&oq=australian+kfc+

and here

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_playlists&search_query=australian+kfc+cricket+ad&uni=1

[DJTX]

Colonel Sanders was based on Theophilus B Beauregarde, one of the cruellest and most hated slave owners of the deep South. In a bitter twist of irony, cotton picked on his plantation was used to make the hoods of the earliest chapters of the KKK, for which Beauregarde was made a Grand Dragon for life. The descendants of his family continued their links with the KKK right to the end of the 20th Century, being prime shareholders in the British Knights trainer range.

Where did you get that? Colonel Sander real name was Harland Sanders. He was given the honorary title of Colonel by the governor of Kentucky after the governor ate in his restaiurant. The dress and goatee came later and was only used to represent someone from the old south.

On another note - this entire thing started with some clowns on The Young Turd (oops, Turk). Is it racist? Why not ask all of the people in the scene - or are they just too stupid to realize racism :roll:

[DANNO]

Colonel Sanders was based on Theophilus B Beauregarde, one of the cruellest and most hated slave owners of the deep South. In a bitter twist of irony, cotton picked on his plantation was used to make the hoods of the earliest chapters of the KKK, for which Beauregarde was made a Grand Dragon for life. The descendants of his family continued their links with the KKK right to the end of the 20th Century, being prime shareholders in the British Knights trainer range.

Where did you get that? Colonel Sander real name was Harland Sanders. He was given the honorary title of Colonel by the governor of Kentucky after the governor ate in his restaiurant. The dress and goatee came later and was only used to represent someone from the old south.

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now haven't noticed Iain tends to make up astory or 2,000? :roll:

[StevieJR]

Quote Gav :: Dam Yanks cant tell the difference between a Fanny and an arse :roll: :roll:

Fair shout !

[luckyphil247]

Try walking around NYC or San Francisco sometimes and tell me about racial tolerance. sheez relax and have some pizza.

You crack me up, like you have a monopoly on relaxation :roll:

Tell you what, I'll make you a pizza as long as you roll me a spliff

[eagle]

Try walking around NYC or San Francisco sometimes and tell me about racial tolerance. sheez relax and have some pizza.

You crack me up, like you have a monopoly on relaxation :roll:

Tell you what, I'll make you a pizza as long as you roll me a spliff

Now thats a reason to be downunder ! Spliff and pie !!

[LakeGeneve]

Try walking around NYC or San Francisco sometimes and tell me about racial tolerance. sheez relax and have some pizza.

You crack me up, like you have a monopoly on relaxation :roll:

Tell you what, I'll make you a pizza as long as you roll me a spliff

Now thats a reason to be downunder ! Spliff and pie !!

Unless the law has changed in the last few years, in one Australian state (South Australia - the first place to give women the right to vote anywhere in the world) - marijuana was decrimilised for personal use in 1986 (still defined as prohibited controlled substance though).

Essentially it introduced a civil penalty of an On the Spot Fine (much like a traffic infringement notice) liable for being in possession of an amount under the proscribed personal amount. One could also grow up to 10 plants (the number has changed over the years) and still only receive an on the spot fine. However, if one did not pay your fine within the allowable period the infringement reverted to a criminal matter. Being caught in possession in a public place or an amount over the personal use amount would mean a person was liable to criminal penalty. (Don't ask me the exact amount but I'm sure one Aussie Tfer will know).

The capital of South Australia, Adelaide, also famous for something called a Pie Floater which is a Pie in a plate of peas (Any Croweaters pls correct me if I am wrong).

So you could have a pie and a spliff and only have to pay a fine if caught, ie. no drug record!

[DANNO]

Try walking around NYC or San Francisco sometimes and tell me about racial tolerance. sheez relax and have some pizza.

You crack me up, like you have a monopoly on relaxation :roll:

Tell you what, I'll make you a pizza as long as you roll me a spliff

Now thats a reason to be downunder ! Spliff and pie !!

all-right world peace

[LakeGeneve]

In time honoured TF fashion I wanted to change this thread (KFC is so boring and crap food afterall) whilst still retaining the elements of Australia and racism with a more relevent and highly emotive current issue.

What is this cartoon about you may be thinking?

Well in a very quick summary, a number of Indian students in Melbourne have been subject to violent assaults in the last 18 months plus. Most unfortunately, one was killed last week late at night in a park on his way to work. Some of the attacks are apparently racially motivated whilst other attcks are apparently opportunistic thefts which result in bodily harm with the victims nationality or enthicity being incidental to the crime. Initial crime stats do indicate a problem though with crimes against people of Indian ethnicity going up by 30% in the last year.

There is a problem in Melbourne, as in any large city, of violence yet the city in comparision to many large cities in the world remains relatively safe. There are places to avoid at night like any city. Many personal assaults occur in proximity to nightclubs and pubs with the combination of youth and alcohol consumption being major factors (many UKers will be familiar with this trend).

Quite rightly Indian students, and there are tens of thousands in Melbourne, feel under seige. However, the response in India itself with come elements of the media has been verging on the hysterical. Racism does exist in multicultural Australia like any country.

We have our dark stains of history. We tried to kill off indigenous people, apartheid laws in SA were based on 1930s Queensland laws and we had a White Australia policy until the 60s to name just a few examples. And our more recent expressions of ugliness, xenophobia and intolerance particularly by pollies are shameful.

Unfortunately a certain segment - a seemingly combination of age, socio-economic and geographics - of the population in Melb appear to be targetting people of south asian ethnicity in the current phase of blaming others for ones ills (a couple of years ago the Sudanese were punching bags). However, some incidents are seemingly not racially motivated with the offenders looking for easy targets as the victim could just as well have been someone of Lebanese, Kosovan or white Brit origin.

After some incidents and allegations of racism on the sporting field in the past few years, cricket being a national sport or near religion in both countries, relations between India and Australia have really soured. I am saddened that many Indians probably now view my home city as a place to be feared.

Yet I also feel (having seen some of it on Thai cable TV) that as usual the domestic media, Indian in this case, has blown the issues out of proportion - as the Australian media did with the Phuket bar mat incident last year or many other incidents involving Aussies in foreign countries. Such stories always do sell well back home after all.

Here is some breif reading if your interested;

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/foreign-students-tell-of-fear-on-the-streets/story-e6frg6nf-1225817500387

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/indian-tvs-unsound-fury-20100106-lu8y.html and a response;

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/racism-is-at-the-heart-of-attacks-on-indians-20100107-lw1u.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/indians-abroad/Acts-of-violence-occur-in-big-cities-Oz-deputy-PM/articleshow/5415462.cms

Interested in others thoughts on this.

[Stramash]

Colonel Sanders was based on Theophilus B Beauregarde, one of the cruellest and most hated slave owners of the deep South. In a bitter twist of irony, cotton picked on his plantation was used to make the hoods of the earliest chapters of the KKK, for which Beauregarde was made a Grand Dragon for life. The descendants of his family continued their links with the KKK right to the end of the 20th Century, being prime shareholders in the British Knights trainer range.

Where did you get that? Colonel Sander real name was Harland Sanders. oll:

Doh!!!!

[DANNO]

In time honoured TF fashion I wanted to change this thread (KFC is so boring and crap food afterall) whilst still retaining the elements of Australia and racism with a more relevent and highly emotive current issue.

What is this cartoon about you may be thinking?

Well in a very quick summary, a number of Indian students in Melbourne have been subject to violent assaults in the last 18 months plus. Most unfortunately, one was killed last week late at night in a park on his way to work. Some of the attacks are apparently racially motivated whilst other attcks are apparently opportunistic thefts which result in bodily harm with the victims nationality or enthicity being incidental to the crime. Initial crime stats do indicate a problem though with crimes against people of Indian ethnicity going up by 30% in the last year.

There is a problem in Melbourne, as in any large city, of violence yet the city in comparision to many large cities in the world remains relatively safe. There are places to avoid at night like any city. Many personal assaults occur in proximity to nightclubs and pubs with the combination of youth and alcohol consumption being major factors (many UKers will be familiar with this trend).

Quite rightly Indian students, and there are tens of thousands in Melbourne, feel under seige. However, the response in India itself with come elements of the media has been verging on the hysterical. Racism does exist in multicultural Australia like any country.

We have our dark stains of history (we tried to kill of indigenous people, apartheid laws in SA were based on 1930s Queensland laws and we had a White Australia policy until the 60s to name just a few examples) and our more recent expressions of ugliness, xenophobia and intolerance.

Unfortunately a certain segment - a seemingly combination of age, socio-economic and geographics - of the population in Melb appear to be targetting people of south asian ethnicity in the current phase of blaming others for ones ills (a couple of years ago the Sudanese were punching bags). However, some incidents are seemingly not racially motivated with the offenders looking for easy targets as the victim could just as well have been someone of Lebanese, Kosovan or white Brit origin.

After some incidents and allegations of racism on the sporting field in the past few years, cricket being a national sport or near religion in both countries, relations between India and Australia have really soured. I am saddened that many Indians probably now view my home city as a place to be feared.

Yet I also feel (having seen some of it on Thai cable TV) that as usual the domestic media, Indian in this case, has blown the issues out of proportion - as the Australian media did with the Phuket bar mat incident last year or many other incidents involving Aussies in foreign countries. Such stories always do sell well back home after all.

Here is some breif reading if your interested;

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/foreign-students-tell-of-fear-on-the-streets/story-e6frg6nf-1225817500387

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/indian-tvs-unsound-fury-20100106-lu8y.html and a response;

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/racism-is-at-the-heart-of-attacks-on-indians-20100107-lw1u.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/indians-abroad/Acts-of-violence-occur-in-big-cities-Oz-deputy-PM/articleshow/5415462.cms

Interested in others thoughts on this.

HHUUUMMMMM...

what say you Phil???? :shock:

I am shocked :shock: :shock:

that these student don't see this as good natured rough-housing :roll: :roll:

(SORRY --to be as opertunist) rants against Asia Indians have grown over the years here in the US...seems some of us cannot get over talking to customer service half a world away with some who has an accent :roll:

:arrow: as if we would recieve first rate responses if the agent was just one block up the strret.... :wink:

[Stramash]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

[DANNO]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

Guess you didn't learn your lesson ...

how COULD you Defile our wonderous role model to all things Amerian

THE Col. :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll:

[Stramash]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

Guess you didn't learn your lesson ...

how COULD you Defile our wondrous role model to all things Amerian

THE Col. :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll:

a wondrous role model mainly founded by Scots settlers and farmers!!!

[DANNO]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

Guess you didn't learn your lesson ...

how COULD you Defile our wondrous role model to all things Amerian

THE Col. :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll:

a wondrous role model mainly founded by Scots settlers and farmers!!!

Why then did we make nasty Burbon then?

(oh wait that would be aquestion for Dr. TF

[GAV]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

Guess you didn't learn your lesson ...

how COULD you Defile our wondrous role model to all things Amerian

THE Col. :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll:

a wondrous role model mainly founded by Scots settlers and farmers!!!

Now come on Iain, you have just got to be fair here

Don't forget the "IRISH" :wink:

[Stramash]

me and a friend had a musical project about 3 years back.

we decided to court controversy by calling the project the 'Kerfuffle Klux Klan'.

Ripped off some graphics from KKK sites and played about with them

Now a retarded 4 year old could have told we were taking the utter piss out the real KKK and all they stood for.

But did that stop a massive amount of 'hate messages' to our myspace music page??

Nope.

What % of these messages were from Americans?

Guess.

:roll:

Guess you didn't learn your lesson ...

how COULD you Defile our wondrous role model to all things Amerian

THE Col. :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll:

a wondrous role model mainly founded by Scots settlers and farmers!!!

Now come on Iain, you have just got to be fair here

Don't forget the "IRISH" :wink:

perhaps in the first incarnation of the KKK, but the second incarnation were very anti Catholic, so unless you were a good Ulsterman, you were onto plums!!