I thought I was seeing things when I saw this.

[English_Bob]

ok ,I get it your with the dupes

And you are with those who are ignoring the sentiments of those living in New York.

Those are the people who matter here - not you, or any Muslim who wants another building there.

Can you honestly say, that there will be no discussion of the events of 9/11 within its walls? Do you believe that Muslims with extreme and violent views will not visit and try to recruit others?

[English_Bob]

Come Dave...

these Attacks were not carried out by those practicing Islam as a whole....in the name--yes-- by a small number of Madmen --- (Alcada)

Millions during Eagle's lifetime the Islamic terrorists???

That is / was a lot of killing goin' on!!!...Maybe I missed it ..was Pol Pot was a Muslim? or are you including whole governments --like maybe the Sudan? --- well I missed the millions in any case

Every city? --- I don't think so my friend

( now mind you I wouldn't be too comfortable, white boy that I am, wandering the streets of Lahore as I did in days past...)

Indeed it may well be local opinion no they are not bigots-- at least the majority

The people in NYC and the US have and will be pissed off (and we don't feel like we are in control...so there is a fear...and an ignorance and intolerance too.

but whatever slice of the popular "vote" is taken, it does not trump the law...

that is Democracy sir.

At least as we have set it up to date; protecting the rights of the minority from the immediate opinions of the majority (see Koolbreezse's example from WW II - above) a shameful decision brought against American citizens...even during a critical crisis and fearful time that I can recognise and do /could feel too.

(that is the victory the Madmen could achieve ---if we let them)

save a ounce of pity for

the everyday Muslim that simply want to live a fulfilling and peaceful life without being lumped with 1% of his crazy "brothers"

Wait... don't forget that the Taliban, Pakistanis and Saudis have been killing people for decades in the name of jihad. Don't imagine that we're only talking about 'official' terrorist attacks here. I'm talking about Muslim extremism in all it's forms.

Every city?... No... that's an exaggeration.

Here are a few since Eagle was born...

# 18 May 1973: mid-air bombing of Aeroflot airliner, Siberia (100)

# 4 Dec 1977: crash of hijacked Malaysian airliner near Malaysia (100)

# 20 Aug 1978: arson of theater in Abadan, Iran (477)

# 20 Nov-5 Dec 1979: hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) (240)

# 23 Sep 1983: crash of Gulf Air flight following mid-air bombing over the UAE (112)

# 23 Oct 1983: truck bombings of U.S. Marine and French barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (301)

# 14 May 1985: armed attack on crowds in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka (150)

# 23 Jun 1985: mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland, and attempted bombing of second flight in Canada (331)

# 18 Apr 1987: roadway ambush near Alut Oya, Sri Lanka (127)

# 21 Apr 1987: bombing of bus depot in Columbo, Sri Lanka (106)

# 29 Nov 1987: mid-air bombing of Korean Air flight near Burma (115)

# 21 Dec 1988: mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland (270)

# 19 Sep 1989: mid-air bombing of French UTA flight near Bilma, Niger (171)

# 27 Nov 1989: mid-air bombing of Avianca flight in Bogota, Columbia (110)

# 3 Aug 1990: armed attack at two mosques in Kathankudy, Sri Lanka (140)

# 13 Aug 1990: armed attack at mosque in Eravur, Sri Lanka (122)

# 2 Oct 1990: crash of hijacked PRC airliner in Guangzhou, PRC (132)

# 12 Mar 1993: 15 bombings in Bombay, India (317)

# 22 Sep 1993: crash of airliner struck by missile in Sukhumi, Georgia (106)

# 14-19 June 1996: hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts (143)

# 23 Nov 1996: crash of hijacked Ethiopian Air flight off Comoros (127)

# 29 Aug 1997: attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria (238)

# 22 Sep 1997: attack at Ben Talha, Algeria (277)

# 30 Dec 1997: attack at Ami Moussa, Algeria (272)

# 4 Jan 1998: attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria (172)

# 11 Jan 1998: attack on movie theater and mosque at Sidi Hamed, Algeria (103)

# 8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania (303)

# 13 Sep 1999: bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia (130)

# 31 Oct 1999: intentional crash of Egypt Air flight off Massachusetts, USA, by pilot (217)

# 10 Aug 2001: attack on train south of Luanda, Angola (152)

# 11 Sep 2001: crashing of hijacked planes into World Trade Center, New York City, New York, Pentagon in Alexandria, Virginia, and site in Pennsylvania, USA (2,993)

# 12 Oct 2002: car bombing outside nightclub in Kuta, Indonesia (202)

# 26 Oct 2002: hostage taking and attempted rescue in theater in Moscow, Russia (includes 41 terrorists killed) (170)

# 29 Aug 2003: car bombing outside mosque in Najaf, Iraq (125)

# 1 Feb 2004: two suicide bombings of political party offices in Irbil, Iraq (109)

# 21 Feb 2004: armed attack and arson at refugee camp, Uganda (239)

# 27 Feb 2004: bombing and fire on ferry near Manila, Philippines (118)

# 2 Mar 2004: multiple suicide bombings at shrines in Kadhimiya and Karbala, Iraq (188)

# 11 Mar 2004: bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain (191)

# 24 Jun 2004: multiple bombings and armed attacks in several cities in Iraq (103)

# 1-3 Sep 2004: hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia (includes 30 terrorists killed) (366)

# 28 Feb 2005: car bombing outside medical clinic in Hilla, Iraq (135)

# 14 Sep 2005: multiple suicide bombings and shooting attacks in Baghdad, Iraq (182)

# 5 Jan 2006: bombings in Karbala, Ramadi, and Baghdad, Iraq (124)

# 11 Jul 2006: multiple bombings on commuter trains in Mumbai, India (200)

# 16 Oct 2006: truck bombing of military convoy near Habarana, Sri Lanka (103)

# 23 Nov 2006: multiple car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (202)

# 22 Jan 2007: multiple bombings in Baghdad area, Iraq (101)

# 3 Feb 2007: truck bombing in market place in Baghdad, Iraq (137)

# 6 Mar 2007: two bombings and other attacks on pilgrims, Hilla, Iraq (137)

# 27 Mar 2007: two truck bombings in Tal Afar, Iraq (152)

# 18 Apr 2007: bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (193)

# 3-10 Jul 2007: hostage taking and subsequent storming of mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan (102)

# 7 Jul 2007: bombings in Baghdad and Armili, Iraq (182)

# 14 Aug 2007: multiple truck bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq (520)

# 18 Oct 2007: bombing of motorcade in Karachi, Pakistan (137)

# 17 Feb 2008: bombing at dogfighting festival in Kandahar, Afghanistan (105)

# 26-29 Nov 2008: multiple gun and grenade attacks and hostage takings in Mumbai, India (174)

# 19 Aug 2009: multiple bombings at government sites in Baghdad, Iraq (102)

# 25 Oct 2009: two vehicle bombings at government buildings in Baghdad, Iraq (155)

# 28 Oct 2009: bombing at marketplace in Pakistan (118)

# 8 Dec 2009: five car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (127)

# 10 May 2010: multiple bombings in Hilla, Basra, al-Suwayra, and other cities, Iraq (102)

Now I haven't gone through and looked for the ones that WEREN'T carried out by Muslims (although I deleted Timothy McVeigh's work). But feel free to browse and maybe start counting.

These are only attacks with more than 100 fatalities.

They don't include any of the attacks in Britain (because the numbers are too low). They also don't include failed attacks in which Muslims TRIED to kill people but were thwarted.

There is also no way to list those killed in the name of Sharia law, or in wars fought in the name of Islam.

Millions? Too ******* right.

Should we pity the 99% because the 1% is crazy?

No... the 99% should be doing more to bring the 1% to heel.

BTW, I'm sure you're hoping the 1% ISN'T the ratio... there are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world....

So 1% only leaves 15,700,000 extremists to be worried about. 10x the Chinese Army, not in uniform, not willing to fight soldiers, quite willing to kill women, children and non-combatants.

Better pray it's less than 1%.

I remember 9/11. And I remember (as clearly as the planes crashing into the towers) the gleeful thousands dancing and laughing in the streets of Pakistan and Egypt.

[koolbreez]

ok ,I get it your with the dupes

And you are with those who are ignoring the sentiments of those living in New York.

Those are the people who matter here - not you, or any Muslim who wants another building there.

Can you honestly say, that there will be no discussion of the events of 9/11 within its walls? Do you believe that Muslims with extreme and violent views will not visit and try to recruit others?

You seem to be making the assumption that any talk about 911 is a violation of some right. Of course there will be talk, as there is, and has been talk now, and in the past, in every building, and living quarter in NYC, and most of the world.

There are 4 other mosques within a 10 block radius of ground zero, and I am sure radical elements have tried to recruit in those places, but with non radical teachings there is a strong reenforcement from falling prey to those radical elements.

I would be worried if there weren't descussions about what happened on 911, and the educated teachings about how the real teachings of Mohamid repulse actions of this kind. Islam is really a very peace loving religion. There are just some radical interpretations of the Koran that a minority of the extreme fundimentalists choose to believe.

Malasia has the largest population of muslims in the world, and the majority are very peace loving people, but there is that small minority that fall prey to the radical interpretations, and love to be violent.

You can find this kind of action by a small minority in most religions, and governments the world over. There was just a good example of these type of people in the last demonstrations in Thailand.

[koolbreez]

The majority of your listings that in a way muslim related are to do with the war in Iraq, and the guerilla tactics used by the taliban, killing for the most part other muslims. Of the listings before the Iraq war, less than half are muslim related. The biggest one, in Spain, were Basque separatists. With quite a few of the others perpetrated by factions against the government of the particular country.

They all are classed as terrorist actions, but quite a few have nothing to do with jihad.

[koolbreez]

An interesting fact I ran into today in of all places a photography magazine. Out of the 3425 years of recorded history there have been only 239 years without a war going on someplace in the world.

[English_Bob]

Can you find a statistic for what % of terrorism is carried out by Muslims? I bet it's 90% or more.

You can twist and turn like a fish on a hook, but more violence is carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam than all the other religions in the world. It's irrefutable.

To get back to the point... Is two blocks away, far enough? No.

How big is a block? 200 metres? So 400 metres away?

Does your grief diminish in blocks of 400 metres? Were people and buildings unaffected 400 metres away?

3000 people were murdered by Muslims in the name of Islam. Their friends and families would prefer a different location for a Muslim building.

Does that make them bigoted? No... it makes them human.

[PeeMarc]

Religious 'political correctness' and deep fear continue to get America in a tangle.

[koolbreez]

Can you find a statistic for what % of terrorism is carried out by Muslims? I bet it's 90% or more.

You can twist and turn like a fish on a hook, but more violence is carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam than all the other religions in the world. It's irrefutable.

To get back to the point... Is two blocks away, far enough? No.

How big is a block? 200 metres? So 400 metres away?

Does your grief diminish in blocks of 400 metres? Were people and buildings unaffected 400 metres away?

3000 people were murdered by Muslims in the name of Islam. Their friends and families would prefer a different location for a Muslim building.

Does that make them bigoted? No... it makes them human.

Grief, and the amount of distance away have no corrilation. As far as those people are concerned, the ones killed that weren't muslim, there is no place a mosque should be built period, and about half those killed were British nationals.

[eagle]

ok ,I get it your with the dupes

And you are with those who are ignoring the sentiments of those living in New York.

Those are the people who matter here - not you, or any Muslim who wants another building there.

Can you honestly say, that there will be no discussion of the events of 9/11 within its walls? Do you believe that Muslims with extreme and violent views will not visit and try to recruit others?

All legitimate reasons to get fired up and thats why people are in the street but our own government gives me more reasons to worry. The reason I say they are bigots is its not just NYC and the towers its all over the US which shows its just ignorant people fighting all of Islam. Like the Teabaggers here all anti government now that a black democrat is in office but they thought government was great with Bush invading Iraq. These people are just being used and thats how I feel. There are people who had family die on 911 showing support for the rec center also. Using 911 and the people who died as a weapon against all of Islam is a sad thing to see.

[drlovelife8]

I don't understand why everybody is hatin' on that new Muslim Community Center in New York City. I heard it's going to be "THE BOMB!"

Snigger snigger

[drlovelife8]

That date, that location, that name, that meaning in Islamic history, that company, that attitude, that hate filled ideology, that funding, that front man plus 15000 to 16000 terrorist carried out openly in the name of Islam since 9/11, I cant remember how many people, female oppression and violence against women being accepted in political correctness and community cohesion.

Jesus H. christ. How ******* easy do you want the maths to be before you add it up.

It shouldn't be there the americans should be able to choose what goes there. I thought that was what America was all about.

How can such actions go through so easily?

How can people be repeatedly tricked and lied to about what's happening till it gets out and they hope its too late to stop it.

What horrible leaders.

What a bad situation and kick in the teeth for the families who suffered.

[eagle]

dr wrote:

How can people be repeatedly tricked and lied to about what's happening

They got you all foaming at the mouth. Just ashamed everyone can't be as sensitive to the extreme danger and insensitivity with this new Terrorist basketball court. Imagine them playing basketball while chanting anti american slogans or singing in the shower some anti american songs till they are ready to go to the terrorist training schools in say Kansas ,yea not **** going on there. If we don't stop them they will have mosques built in Tennessee California then they can do an harmonic convergence of prayer vibes causing earthquakes. I mean the symbolism is right in our face everyday on TF with one Muslim bashing post after another. They are all in on it just sleeper cells waiting to jump out and be awakened by the head terrorist guy. Its more important then water food or the rising population explosion. Its finally something for people to band together and rally worldwide. No More Muslim mosques people unite against the prayer mongers. Secretly wishing harm during their prayers I bet We need to secretly record their prayers and translate so we can learn their evil plans !!!!!! I mean people died People died. Dam it I'm feeling like another Iraq invasion, we deserve to be avenged. Blow something up for us dam it !!!

[koolbreez]

That date, that location, that name, that meaning in Islamic history, that company, that attitude, that hate filled ideology, that funding, that front man plus 15000 to 16000 terrorist carried out openly in the name of Islam since 9/11, I cant remember how many people, female oppression and violence against women being accepted in political correctness and community cohesion.

Jesus H. christ. How f*cking easy do you want the maths to be before you add it up.

It shouldn't be there the americans should be able to choose what goes there. I thought that was what America was all about.

How can such actions go through so easily?

How can people be repeatedly tricked and lied to about what's happening till it gets out and they hope its too late to stop it.

What horrible leaders.

What a bad situation and kick in the teeth for the families who suffered.

The Americans are choosing what goes in there. These aren't some other nationality deciding. They are Americans, just because they are excercising their American right to practice the Islam religion doesn't make them any less American...as you seem to imply.....lolol.

Geeez, you sound just like the people that took the land from the real Americans of this country, the Indians. At the time they weren't even considered people, just as you are implying now of anyone that would practice the Islam faith, and you are assuming that everyone that does practice it is a fundimental extremist.

That's like saying that every single practicing Mormon has multiple wives.

You really are brain washed, and now I'm starting to feel pitty for you. When I can stop laughing long enough to do so. I bet you also believe there is absolutely only one reason any male would go to Thailand, whether he was married, or not, and that every female in Thailand is......well, we won't get into that because I actually don't believe that you are that stupid, but I'm probably wrong....lol.

[eagle]

That's like saying that every single practicing Mormon has multiple wives.

well don't they ? and do mistresses count ? Mormons are a bit crazy and if they don't get laid regularly they might join up with them Muslims and Mexicans and really mess up old glory for us regular folks !

[koolbreez]

That's like saying that every single practicing Mormon has multiple wives.

well don't they ? and do mistresses count ? Mormons are a bit crazy and if they don't get laid regularly they might join up with them Muslims and Mexicans and really mess up old glory for us regular folks !

Lololol.....if you were a practicing fundimentalist Mormon you would have multiple wives, BUT you would only have sex with them for the purpose of having children. If they all happen to be pregnant at the same time, or you didn't want anymore kids, then no sex....lolol, if you were a practicing fundimentalist of the Mormon religion.

That is the big word that very few people can destinguish from the majority of any religion, those that are fundimentalists. Then to confuse them even more there are a very small few that are extreme fundimintalists.....and that is in any religion.....lolol

[eagle]

That's like saying that every single practicing Mormon has multiple wives.

well don't they ? and do mistresses count ? Mormons are a bit crazy and if they don't get laid regularly they might join up with them Muslims and Mexicans and really mess up old glory for us regular folks !

Lololol.....if you were a practicing fundimentalist Mormon you would have multiple wives, BUT you would only have sex with them for the purpose of having children. If they all happen to be pregnant at the same time, or you didn't want anymore kids, then no sex....lolol, if you were a practicing fundimentalist of the Mormon religion.

That is the big word that very few people can destinguish from the majority of any religion, those that are fundimentalists. Then to confuse them even more there are a very small few that are extreme fundimintalists.....and that is in any religion.....lolol

Yea I guess an extremist fundamentalist Morman has a whole different set of explosions going on :wink:

[English_Bob]

While you guys are enjoying your circle jerk and sniffing each other's asses, I'd like to bring you back to the point.

Sensitivity and respect says that an alternate location would be better.

The families and citizens have more than enough reason to feel upset / angry / disappointed.

You keep pointing out that 'you can't see it from ground zero', as though that invalidates people's feelings.

If these truly were bigots and racists, they would be calling for the destruction of the mosques in the same area. But they're not. They are simply asking for some common sense and decency to be shown.

When you have finished making light of the situation and insulting those people whose families were murdered for being in America on that day, perhaps you would like to show a little empathy.... that means put yourself in their shoes... And I mean really put yourself in their shoes.

Think of someone in your family. Think of them calling you from the top of the tower, unable to go down, choking from the fumes and heat. Calling you to say goodbye, before either leaping to their death or being crushed under hundreds of thousands of tons of masonry.

Not some nameless, faceless statistic... someone you love and care about.

Now think how would 99.9% of people feel about the construction of a building specifically to honour the raison d'etre behind those murders?

They have every right to ask for a new location. **** those whining liberals saying, 'But the law says...'. The law was written before 9/11. Sometimes it's better to the the right thing than to do the legal thing.

[eagle]

While you guys are enjoying your circle jerk and sniffing each other's asses, I'd like to bring you back to the point.

Sensitivity and respect says that an alternate location would be better.

The families and citizens have more than enough reason to feel upset / angry / disappointed.

You keep pointing out that 'you can't see it from ground zero', as though that invalidates people's feelings.

If these truly were bigots and racists, they would be calling for the destruction of the mosques in the same area. But they're not. They are simply asking for some common sense and decency to be shown.

When you have finished making light of the situation and insulting those people whose families were murdered for being in America on that day, perhaps you would like to show a little empathy.... that means put yourself in their shoes... And I mean really put yourself in their shoes.

Think of someone in your family. Think of them calling you from the top of the tower, unable to go down, choking from the fumes and heat. Calling you to say goodbye, before either leaping to their death or being crushed under hundreds of thousands of tons of masonry.

Not some nameless, faceless statistic... someone you love and care about.

Now think how would 99.9% of people feel about the construction of a building specifically to honour the raison d'etre behind those murders?

They have every right to ask for a new location. f*ck those whining liberals saying, 'But the law says...'. The law was written before 9/11. Sometimes it's better to the the right thing than to do the legal thing.

Cry me a river !!! I don't think you give a flying f*ck for those people. Your just a blowhole

[English_Bob]

Cry me a river !!! I don't think you give a flying f*ck for those people. Your just a blowhole

Fortunately, people stopped listening to what you think a long time ago.

It's hard to call me a racist or bigoted as I lived in a Muslim country and married a Muslim woman.

But it's easy to call you thoughtless, insensitive and out-of-touch with people's feelings.

I wonder if you'd be so blase and callous standing face-to-face with one of the victim's family.

[eagle]

Cry me a river !!! I don't think you give a flying f*ck for those people. Your just a blowhole

Fortunately, people stopped listening to what you think a long time ago.

It's hard to call me a racist or bigoted as I lived in a Muslim country and married a Muslim woman.

But it's easy to call you thoughtless, insensitive and out-of-touch with people's feelings.

I wonder if you'd be so blase and callous standing face-to-face with one of the victim's family.

Words, just words you through around. I really don't think you give a sh*t about any of this so have at it.

[eagle]

Religious 'political correctness' and deep fear continue to get America in a tangle.

Just a few trying to start **** and the media throwing it around all just to keep people busy while they milk us like cows.

[English_Bob]

Words, just words you through around. I really don't think you give a sh*t about any of this so have at it.

'Throw' - you ******* illiterate monkey.

Clearly I am bothered enough to spend 10 minutes a day bringing attention to your lack of sympathy.

[eagle]

Words, just words you through around. I really don't think you give a sh*t about any of this so have at it.

'Throw' - you f*cking illiterate monkey.

Clearly I am bothered enough to spend 10 minutes a day bringing attention to your lack of sympathy.

Your just a self indulgent yuppie prick who likes to sound off as it helps him feel important, and since this thread has come to this the monkey is going to lock it.