Dealing with racists

[admin]

Once a farang friend call me a racist cuz I gave criticize Isarn ppl.

Well, how can it be? I'm Chinese-Thai (Isarn). Baah. It same when the others gave comments to make us see the problem.

Actually, being Chinese-Thai (Isarn) doesn't mean that you can't be racist. That's like people who say, "Hey, I'm not a racist. I have black friends." The definition of racism is to treat people differently based on their race.

lol... i don't think giving criticize does make me a racist. If that I would call you guys racists... how many topic that you post about Thais, eh? don't say you never critcize us.

I treat ppl the same... cuz no matter what race we are, we are all human.

:-)

No, I said it because you offered the fact that you are Thai-Chinese (Isarn) as proof that you're not racist. Whether you are or are not has nothing to do with your background or where you come from. Black people can be racist. Asians can be racist. Anybody can be racist. Just because you come from a group that other people might be racist against doesn't automatically make you not a racist.

And I don't think you are racist. It's just that your argument didn't really prove your point.

[admin]

Anyway, back to my original point in this thread:

You're sitting there talking with someone who is either a close friend or a business contact you cannot directly insult. He says to you "Well, you know Thais are completely worthless. I would rather have 10 monkeys working for me than 1 Thai. The monkeys would get more done."

How do you deal with that?

a) Tell him to f*ck off

Pretend to agree

c) Say nothing

d) ???????????

The reason I started this thread is because there is someone I have to deal with that often makes statements like the one above. Worse, he'll often say it right there in front of his own Thai staff who speak enough English that I imagine they have to know what he's saying.

I haven't quite figured out what the appropriate response is.

[English_Bob]

Bill, I understand your frustration, but I try only to get offended when someone is actively trying to offend me.

Isn't the word user's sentiment the most important thing here? Thais use words differently to us (farangs). I wouldn't draw attention to someone's age or social status because it's not our style. But 'nong' and 'pee' and 'tan' are all Thai examples of that.

[SweetieBabie]

"Well, you know Thais are completely worthless. I would rather have 10 monkeys working for me than 1 Thai. The monkeys would get more done."

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sounds like a bootcamp.

your pathetic, soilders!

[English_Bob]

"Well, you know Thais are completely worthless. I would rather have 10 monkeys working for me than 1 Thai. The monkeys would get more done."

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sounds like a bootcamp.

your pathetic, soilders!

Admin wrote that?

Racist bastard!

Bill... I'm fortunate - staff at my place are very good. so I have the luxury of saying, "I've got great staff... Seriously. I wouldn't want to lose any of them."

If it carries on and makes you uncomfortable, say something to him.

[Chatty]

How many times have you been referred to as farang by your wife/gf's family, with them having no concern that it is a racist comment, or taking the time to remember your name, and using it. That is racist, and used without any comprehension that it is, or caring that it is....lol..

Oh man!! we have no intention say in the negative way... it's just a general word, not bad word, racist word... we call westerner like that please don't get us wrong. Same as you call us Thais.

I know that Thais don't mean it in a negative way and I don't take it in a negative way but think about the fact that you even feel the need to have a special word for it. The reason many people might think it's rude or insulting is because to call someone a foreigner is usually meant as an insult or to make that person lower than you. Sort of like, that person is not one of us.

In most western cultures we accept foreigners into our society. Hell, in the US the only true "Americans" are the people we almost hunted into extinction. So for us nearly everyone is from somewhere outside of America.

But the moment you take the oath to become an American citizen you are an American. It doesn't matter if you come from Africa, Asia, Europe, or South America. You're an American.

In Thailand you can never become Thai even though Thai is not a race. Even if you spend 10 or 20 years to become a Thai citizen, speak perfect Thai, have a Thai spouse and Thai children, Thais will never see you as Thai. You're always farang as long as your skin is a different color.

Also, it depends on the usage. If I ask, "Oh, was he Thai or farang" I'm using it as an identifier. It is meant to describe if the person was Thai or a westerner. But I do actually find it a bit annoying in certain situations when some Thais won't even use the word "him" but instead just keep referring to me as "farang." Especially when they know my name but insist on calling me farang. Has the farang eaten yet? What does the farang want? Ask the farang. That kind of stuff.

I mean, how would it feel if you came to visit me in the US and I introduced you to my friends and they said, "Hey, you should invite the foreigner to eat with us."? Wouldn't it seem much more welcoming if they said, "Hey, you should invite Neung to eat with us"?

Using such a general word (foreigner) implies that you don't recognize someone as an individual. They're some sort of group.

Like I said, I know how the Thais use the word so I don't get insulted by it and I do use it myself when make a distinction between Thai and not Thai but I do find it annoying sometimes when people refuse to acknowledge me as an individual and only see me as farang.

Bill, the word farang we start using since Ayutthaya era and we use it until today. If it's kinda rude why didn't the first farang group here just mention about it at first place.

How many time I have to say, we have difference culture, ok you can tell me about what you think I should say or not... trust me I respect that, and I tell the ppl around me to change how to treat you guys. As i post on the forum sometimes ago about cultural awareness, I'm still on that project... I'm ready to know, ready to learn.

The point that I tried to tell KB. I just say that we have no intention to be rude, and for Thai, we speak in general. That's all.

[bigKus]

Anyway, back to my original point in this thread:

How do you deal with that?

a) Tell him to f*ck off

Pretend to agree

c) Say nothing

d) ???????????

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I considered people who like to insult people are uncivilized, uneducated (no matter what degree they hold), low mindset, low self-esteem. I would either walk away or kick his mouth until teeth fall off If anyone start that kind of conversation with me.

( i have had serious talked with my sister when she laughed at someone in Isaan giving interview in the TV News using mixed Isaan words. I told her dialect is of arts and cultures, there is not something to laugh at )

[Chatty]

Anyway, back to my original point in this thread:

You're sitting there talking with someone who is either a close friend or a business contact you cannot directly insult. He says to you "Well, you know Thais are completely worthless. I would rather have 10 monkeys working for me than 1 Thai. The monkeys would get more done."

I've heard something like that before... I told him if Thai staff are really worthless many companies in Thailand might be failed already and no one will hire Thai staff... 1st thing he could do, go back to see how he recruit his staff, how good company it is? how good boss he is.

[koolbreez]

It is a fact that Thailand is a very racist society. There is less racism on this board simply by the fact that the Thais here are having to deal with farangs directly. My question is why there aren't more Thai men on this board? Not because that is my interest, but with the high majority of Thai women on the board, you'd expect there to be at least some Thai men trying to do the same thing the farang members on the board are, but the few that have joined leave very quick. Why?

When my friend goes to his wife's mother's house, and all the relatives come over for dinner, and drink, that my friend is expected to buy, they refer to him as farang. Not one single person that is Thai will use his name when talking about him. That is racism. That is also an ignorance of the Thais not knowing this. He is simply an object to them, and not a person. The same as Thais treat other Thais.......with darker skin. They are not people. I have heard this said many times.

He now does the same as them, and simply talks about them, refering to them as that Thai. This makes them very mad, yet they still don't use his name when talking about him, even to his wife. He understands, and talks Thai, but refuses to speak any Thai around them. Pretty soon they forget that he understands Thai, and the racist talk starts to come out about him, yet they still expect him to pay for everything.

To accept the fact that farang isn't meant as a racist word when that person talking about you knows your name is very rude at the very least. Is it used because you don't want other Thais to think you really are friends with the farang? In the eyes of foreigners that know you do know their name, this is racism, and as insulting as you can possibly be. To pass it off as just a word used is degrading to yourself.

No change will ever come of this with that attitude. Is it so degrading to you to use a foreigner's name, or ask what it is, then use it? I know Thais are very very concious of how they look to other Thais, but then again this isn't the right venue to pose this question because those on this board don't let themselves get in this situation very much when around farangs. The Thais on this board are about as far away from regular Thai society as you can get when dealing with farangs.

I had a big business arrangement almost fall through because the person I hired to pick up, and deliver my cargo to the ship, was very dark skinned. The exporter I was buying from refused to deal with him because in his eyes he was from Isaan, so a thief. It took me refusing payment until my exporter released the containers to him before I would release payment from the bank. In this case money was used to overcome the racism.

I have been told by Thai friends not to associate with darker skinned people, with no reference to Isaan, just darker skinned Thais. Anyone with darker skin works in the fields so is lower class, and I shouldn't associate with them. I have been told this. That is racism, and is very prevelant in all of Thailand.

In the Buddhist religion a woman is lower than a man. Not necessarily throughout the history of Buddhism, but in its current practice women are lower class. That is racism, and the very base where it starts in Thai culture.

The question still remains on how you deal with your racist Bill. If it will jepradize your business if you do, or say anything about it, and you don't have the power to force the deal, then you are put in a position that you have to adapt, and forgo your morals in the favor of business. You're not the first to do this, nor the last. Think of it in terms of a poker game, and someone that keeps flashing you his cards. Do you say something about it, or do you profit off of it? What are your morals worth?

[admin]

Neung,

I know that there is no intent to be rude. And like I said, I don't think the word itself if rude. But if someone knows your name but they insist on referring to you as "farang" it seems rude.

Yes, I am farang and I have no problem being a farang but what I'm talking about is when people use farang instead of your name or even saying "he".

For instance, let's say I'm introduced to a group of Thais and they have been told my name but, in Thai, they say something like "Has the farang eaten yet?" To me, I find that use of "farang" rude because they know my name. Why couldn't they say "Has Bill eaten yet"? Or why didn't they say "Has he eaten yet?"

And it's usually an issue when the Thais don't think you understand Thai. If they speak directly to me in English they refer to me by name but when they talk amongst themselves in Thai and think I don't understand then I suddenly become "the farang".

Even if they don't intend to be disrespectful I can't help but feel a little bit disrespected.

[CiaranM]

Bill, I understand your frustration, but I try only to get offended when someone is actively trying to offend me.

Isn't the word user's sentiment the most important thing here? Thais use words differently to us (farangs). I wouldn't draw attention to someone's age or social status because it's not our style. But 'nong' and 'pee' and 'tan' are all Thai examples of that.

farang isn't by itself a racist term/word .. but it can most definitely be used in an insulting/racist context .... and as Bill has pointed out if u know somebody's name to call them a farang in conversation, while maybe not racist it is f**king rude !!!!

[Chatty]

Neung,

I know that there is no intent to be rude. And like I said, I don't think the word itself if rude. But if someone knows your name but they insist on referring to you as "farang" it seems rude.

Yes, I am farang and I have no problem being a farang but what I'm talking about is when people use farang instead of your name or even saying "he".

For instance, let's say I'm introduced to a group of Thais and they have been told my name but, in Thai, they say something like "Has the farang eaten yet?" To me, I find that use of "farang" rude because they know my name. Why couldn't they say "Has Bill eaten yet"? Or why didn't they say "Has he eaten yet?"

And it's usually an issue when the Thais don't think you understand Thai. If they speak directly to me in English they refer to me by name but when they talk amongst themselves in Thai and think I don't understand then I suddenly become "the farang".

Even if they don't intend to be disrespectful I can't help but feel a little bit disrespected.

Speak from my experience Bill, I totally understand how you feel, believe me, many friends of mine can't speak English well, or too shy to speak English plus they are shy to speak with foreigners. I always their interpreter. No matter what we are in meeting or dinner etc. They are speak like the foreigner as the 3rd person. For example, if you come a long with me to dinner, they will ask me "Peun farang tur kin kao mai?" "Does your farang friend eat rice?" There is no intention to look down you.

Even in unit meeting, we have 2 English teachers but we work many years the behavior that i have seen many time after someone give report in Thai, they always ask me if 2 Philipino coworkers understand...

For checking if they wanna act rude to you or not... speak to them, looking in the eyes. you will see those eyes are innocent or they are just real racists.

[koolbreez]

Neung, I understand how, and why Thais use the word farang, and how long the use of the word goes back. Like I say, the Thais on this board are not representative of the majority of Thai society, and very few actually use the word when around farangs.

I hope you can understand how the majority of foreigners feel though when they hear the word in reference to them when they know that person knows their real namel.

That word just perpetuates most foreigner's feelings of how racist Thailand really is after they get past looking at the Temples.

[Chatty]

Neung, I understand how, and why Thais use the word farang, and how long the use of the word goes back. Like I say, the Thais on this board are not representative of the majority of Thai society, and very few actually use the word when around farangs.

I hope you can understand how the majority of foreigners feel though when they hear the word in reference to them when they know that person knows their real namel.

That word just perpetuates most foreigner's feelings of how racist Thailand really is after they get past looking at the Temples.

Hope you read my comment above, please. Told ya I totally understand, but not every Thai study, or learn or have intention to learn "How to deal with difference culture" "Do or Don't"

You guys should be happy that I call your names instead of "Farang" ^_^"

and many girls on this site do this as well.

[koolbreez]

Neung,

I know that there is no intent to be rude. And like I said, I don't think the word itself if rude. But if someone knows your name but they insist on referring to you as "farang" it seems rude.

Yes, I am farang and I have no problem being a farang but what I'm talking about is when people use farang instead of your name or even saying "he".

For instance, let's say I'm introduced to a group of Thais and they have been told my name but, in Thai, they say something like "Has the farang eaten yet?" To me, I find that use of "farang" rude because they know my name. Why couldn't they say "Has Bill eaten yet"? Or why didn't they say "Has he eaten yet?"

And it's usually an issue when the Thais don't think you understand Thai. If they speak directly to me in English they refer to me by name but when they talk amongst themselves in Thai and think I don't understand then I suddenly become "the farang".

Even if they don't intend to be disrespectful I can't help but feel a little bit disrespected.

Speak from my experience Bill, I totally understand how you feel, believe me, many friends of mine can't speak English well, or too shy to speak English plus they are shy to speak with foreigners. I always their interpreter. No matter what we are in meeting or dinner etc. They are speak like the foreigner as the 3rd person. For example, if you come a long with me to dinner, they will ask me "Peun farang tur kin kao mai?" "Does your farang friend eat rice?" There is no intention to look down you.

Even in unit meeting, we have 2 English teachers but we work many years the behavior that i have seen many time after someone give report in Thai, they always ask me if 2 Philipino coworkers understand...

For checking if they wanna act rude to you or not... speak to them, looking in the eyes. you will see those eyes are innocent or they are just real racists.

That is the problem though. They are being very polite not trying to offend, but haven't you introduced your farang friend, or don't they really know the philipinos names? That is where the unintended rudeness comes in. To those foreigners it looks like they don't even care enough to remember their names, and that is rude. I know they mean no wrong, but they are doing wrong without even knowing, and to the foreigner it looks like they really don't care to know their name. That is racism. Even though it isn't intended, it is.

[Chatty]

to answer Bill's question, How to Deal with Racists?

If i find that person is the real racist... I'd walk away, I don't wanna waste my precious mins with those person.

If I find that person is not that racist, I ask him to find reason to debate with me. It's kinda fun, believe me.

[English_Bob]

farang isn't by itself a racist term/word .. but it can most definitely be used in an insulting/racist context .... and as Bill has pointed out if u know somebody's name to call them a farang in conversation, while maybe not racist it is f**king rude !!!!

I don't think it is.

Thais use words like man, khun, tan, pee, nong, teur, peuan in all sorts of ways that we farangs don't.

They also use their own first names when describing themselves - and that's just weird for us.

I think it's only rude if they are trying to be rude... but most of the time they aren't trying.

It's like "Hey. You, you, you." When I first came here, I thought it was rude because we don't say it like that. But it's a direct translation from Thai and is considered polite.

[Chatty]

Neung,

I know that there is no intent to be rude. And like I said, I don't think the word itself if rude. But if someone knows your name but they insist on referring to you as "farang" it seems rude.

Yes, I am farang and I have no problem being a farang but what I'm talking about is when people use farang instead of your name or even saying "he".

For instance, let's say I'm introduced to a group of Thais and they have been told my name but, in Thai, they say something like "Has the farang eaten yet?" To me, I find that use of "farang" rude because they know my name. Why couldn't they say "Has Bill eaten yet"? Or why didn't they say "Has he eaten yet?"

And it's usually an issue when the Thais don't think you understand Thai. If they speak directly to me in English they refer to me by name but when they talk amongst themselves in Thai and think I don't understand then I suddenly become "the farang".

Even if they don't intend to be disrespectful I can't help but feel a little bit disrespected.

Speak from my experience Bill, I totally understand how you feel, believe me, many friends of mine can't speak English well, or too shy to speak English plus they are shy to speak with foreigners. I always their interpreter. No matter what we are in meeting or dinner etc. They are speak like the foreigner as the 3rd person. For example, if you come a long with me to dinner, they will ask me "Peun farang tur kin kao mai?" "Does your farang friend eat rice?" There is no intention to look down you.

Even in unit meeting, we have 2 English teachers but we work many years the behavior that i have seen many time after someone give report in Thai, they always ask me if 2 Philipino coworkers understand...

For checking if they wanna act rude to you or not... speak to them, looking in the eyes. you will see those eyes are innocent or they are just real racists.

That is the problem though. They are being very polite not trying to offend, but haven't you introduced your farang friend, or don't they really know the philipinos names? That is where the unintended rudeness comes in. To those foreigners it looks like they don't even care enough to remember their names, and that is rude. I know they mean no wrong, but they are doing wrong without even knowing, and to the foreigner it looks like they really don't care to know their name. That is racism. Even though it isn't intended, it is.

Ohh come on... I'm in training team, we tried to train staff to deliver good service, so yes I introduce my farang friends to my Thai friends as I said some of my Thai friends are shy to speak... bad memory too lol. Even if I bring a group of my Thai friends, introduce them to another group of thai friends... sometimes the called word "Puen tor" = your friends. However, we never feel it's rude. Tell ya, we are difference.

Sorry to make you misunderstood about my Philipinos coworkers, ppl call their name cuz we have been work together for years. but call them as the 3rd person.

[Chatty]

farang isn't by itself a racist term/word .. but it can most definitely be used in an insulting/racist context .... and as Bill has pointed out if u know somebody's name to call them a farang in conversation, while maybe not racist it is f**king rude !!!!

I don't think it is.

Thais use words like man, khun, tan, pee, nong, teur, peuan in all sorts of ways that we farangs don't.

They also use their own first names when describing themselves - and that's just weird for us.

I think it's only rude if they are trying to be rude... but most of the time they aren't trying.

It's like "Hey. You, you, you." When I first came here, I thought it was rude because we don't say it like that. But it's a direct translation from Thai and is considered polite.

Correct!! thks p'Dave.

If we call your mother's name instead of calling your name sometimes it can be rude. lol

[CiaranM]

farang isn't by itself a racist term/word .. but it can most definitely be used in an insulting/racist context .... and as Bill has pointed out if u know somebody's name to call them a farang in conversation, while maybe not racist it is f**king rude !!!!

I don't think it is.

Thais use words like man, khun, tan, pee, nong, teur, peuan in all sorts of ways that we farangs don't.

They also use their own first names when describing themselves - and that's just weird for us.

I think it's only rude if they are trying to be rude... but most of the time they aren't trying.

well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one ... as i said i don't think farang in itself is a racist term, but it can be used in a racist manner/context. and if ppl know ur name but still insist on calling u a farang IMO that's just being rude !!!

having said that i don't have the problem of being called a farang any more .... before when anybody addressed me as "farang" i politely enquired .... "don't u remember my f**king name ???"

now they either remember who i am .... or more frequently don't f**king talk to me any more .... either of which suits me fine

[Chatty]

farang isn't by itself a racist term/word .. but it can most definitely be used in an insulting/racist context .... and as Bill has pointed out if u know somebody's name to call them a farang in conversation, while maybe not racist it is f**king rude !!!!

I don't think it is.

Thais use words like man, khun, tan, pee, nong, teur, peuan in all sorts of ways that we farangs don't.

They also use their own first names when describing themselves - and that's just weird for us.

I think it's only rude if they are trying to be rude... but most of the time they aren't trying.

well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one ... as i said i don't think farang in itself is a racist term, but it can be used in a racist manner/context. and if ppl know ur name but still insist on calling u a farang IMO that's just being rude !!!

having said that i don't have the problem of being called a farang any more .... before when anybody addressed me as "farang" i politely enquired .... "don't u remember my f**king name ???"

now they either remember who i am .... or more frequently don't f**king talk to me any more .... either of which suits me fine

p'Ciaran ja....

I do believe no one call farang "farang" to their face na. They will call you as a 3rd person. Hope no any Thai look at your face and call you 'farang' even they know your name.

If someone point finger to your face then say " Ai Farang" just be ready to fight. haha.

[hbkbkk]

Anyway, back to my original point in this thread:

You're sitting there talking with someone who is either a close friend or a business contact you cannot directly insult. He says to you "Well, you know Thais are completely worthless. I would rather have 10 monkeys working for me than 1 Thai. The monkeys would get more done."

How do you deal with that?

a) Tell him to f*ck off

Pretend to agree

c) Say nothing

d) ???????????

The reason I started this thread is because there is someone I have to deal with that often makes statements like the one above. Worse, he'll often say it right there in front of his own Thai staff who speak enough English that I imagine they have to know what he's saying.

I haven't quite figured out what the appropriate response is.

d. me donut english....

[drlovelife8]

It is a fact that Thailand is a very racist society. There is less racism on this board simply by the fact that the Thais here are having to deal with farangs directly. My question is why there aren't more Thai men on this board? Not because that is my interest, but with the high majority of Thai women on the board, you'd expect there to be at least some Thai men trying to do the same thing the farang members on the board are, but the few that have joined leave very quick. Why?

When my friend goes to his wife's mother's house, and all the relatives come over for dinner, and drink, that my friend is expected to buy, they refer to him as farang. Not one single person that is Thai will use his name when talking about him. That is racism. That is also an ignorance of the Thais not knowing this. He is simply an object to them, and not a person. The same as Thais treat other Thais.......with darker skin. They are not people. I have heard this said many times.

He now does the same as them, and simply talks about them, refering to them as that Thai. This makes them very mad, yet they still don't use his name when talking about him, even to his wife. He understands, and talks Thai, but refuses to speak any Thai around them. Pretty soon they forget that he understands Thai, and the racist talk starts to come out about him, yet they still expect him to pay for everything.

To accept the fact that farang isn't meant as a racist word when that person talking about you knows your name is very rude at the very least. Is it used because you don't want other Thais to think you really are friends with the farang? In the eyes of foreigners that know you do know their name, this is racism, and as insulting as you can possibly be. To pass it off as just a word used is degrading to yourself.

No change will ever come of this with that attitude. Is it so degrading to you to use a foreigner's name, or ask what it is, then use it? I know Thais are very very concious of how they look to other Thais, but then again this isn't the right venue to pose this question because those on this board don't let themselves get in this situation very much when around farangs. The Thais on this board are about as far away from regular Thai society as you can get when dealing with farangs.

I had a big business arrangement almost fall through because the person I hired to pick up, and deliver my cargo to the ship, was very dark skinned. The exporter I was buying from refused to deal with him because in his eyes he was from Isaan, so a thief. It took me refusing payment until my exporter released the containers to him before I would release payment from the bank. In this case money was used to overcome the racism.

I have been told by Thai friends not to associate with darker skinned people, with no reference to Isaan, just darker skinned Thais. Anyone with darker skin works in the fields so is lower class, and I shouldn't associate with them. I have been told this. That is racism, and is very prevelant in all of Thailand.

In the Buddhist religion a woman is lower than a man. Not necessarily throughout the history of Buddhism, but in its current practice women are lower class. That is racism, and the very base where it starts in Thai culture.

The question still remains on how you deal with your racist Bill. If it will jepradize your business if you do, or say anything about it, and you don't have the power to force the deal, then you are put in a position that you have to adapt, and forgo your morals in the favor of business. You're not the first to do this, nor the last. Think of it in terms of a poker game, and someone that keeps flashing you his cards. Do you say something about it, or do you profit off of it? What are your morals worth?

You are seeing and trying to understand a different culture with your own cultures blinkers on.

*There is a lack of Thai men on this site because no one wants them here. There have been some over the years but they soon get ignored or pushed away from conversations. If there were a load of farang women (ooh racist me) all chasing Thai guys then it would be different. If there were gay farangs then it would be full of gay Thais too, but it isn't because we are here, amongst other things, to get Thai women (spare me the **** that you aint)

*They expect your friend will buy beer for dinner because the richest person is expected to buy beer to show good heartedness in this culture. In yours in is scrounging but you are not in America. If he doesn’t want to then he shouldn’t. They soon get the message, but he dies… Because he still enjoys Farang status but doesn’t enjoy culturally paying for it. If they think he is a *****, why does he go to them… surely that makes him a *****. In that situation farang is like saying ‘that welsh prick who always comes here. Barely communicate with us and buys all the beer’. Wankers, yes, racist, get real. Your mate is being just as much a ***** as they are just by going.

*As discussed in another thread, Thais love money.

*In England people who sold speed were considered low class scum, so I chose not to associate with them. I also chose not to hang out with thick factory workers and dole dossers (people on welfare for long periods due to laziness) Not racist really. Ignorant….. sure. But when you are a rich Thai and poor people always want the freebies off you because they have less money, wouldn’t you stop hanging out with them?? Isn’t that exactly what you described as f**ked up with your mates situation.

See even they feel the same as you, but you knock them for it and you knock the poor ones for trying it on.

Do you hang out with COMPTON boys, some might be really nice, but… DO YOU.

I agree that in all religions men get a better deal and I am VERY vocal about it on these forums. But how is it racism when it is between same race men and women. Sexual inequality for sure…. Racism pfft!… buy a dictionary mate.

Truly, I feel you are seeing it as a yank (racism??) and not as a Thai.

There IS racism here, but you seem to have missed it.

Al ot of people get the axe out whenthey see something Which enrages them in their own country but you are all quite happy to rock hte 'mai pen ari' when it suits you or until someone doesn't do it your way.

In England and USA people say '****' a lot and we get the context. He you will find people can get very angry when they here it.

They don't get the context.

Just as you and many others don't

[drlovelife8]

It is simply alla bout context.

I can say '******* hell' to someone in England and they are English, they can work out what it means pretty quickly. It usually means 'wow, how surprising'

There are loads of Polish people there now, they get called 'poles' nobody complains.

I think trying to make Thais feel bad about that word is another example of the west trying to change a culture to make it fit their own.

If you want to make a change, get the system changed so not so many hookers have to street walk in dangerous places, no wait that doesn't bother you because it doesn't touch you directly.

EVERY farang I know ALWAYS uses the word farang, IF you don't like it stop using it, but don't tell these people how their country should change.

If you don't like it, **** off back home, alternatively, start seeing things as your hosts do a little more.

Now. How to deal with real racists is to get it to motivate you to victory in life, just as it did for Bill Cosby and crew. For ignorant people, just don't hang out with them and fix your own destructive cultural ways before you start fixing others.

In England the following sentence is considered racist.. "If you don’t like it here, **** off back to where you came from"

Thais sometimes say words with a similar meaning. That’s why I love Thailand. A country for its own people, retaining its identity when others are being swallowed and destroyed by multiculturalism.

VIVA THAILAND

[drlovelife8]

I also thought about blacks being pissed at the words that have been used. while I say grow up and get on with life I get it because they have the old 'it refers to slavery' thing to chuck around (although the mis-use of the race card has made it virtually worthless).

It's notlike Thais put us in slavery or did anytihg else that it can relate to. The only thing you'll don't like is that in your own culture it is considered rude so you are trying to make it rude here too.

Get real, make Thailand like the west and then you will have something to complain about. Keep it how was 7 years ago.... This is one place forced progress will kill..... ******* farang, always think they are right.