eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Zeus wroteYOU missed the line of argument entirely. i said such a reading is as valid as your cullling evidence for space aliens from myths. if you're going to say there are space aliens coz of pictographs on the pyramids, you might as well take the bible literally. can i get an amen... My original question was do you know of any Alien stories in Thailand. I do find it fascinating that Aliens in flying machines seem to be represented in so many places around the globe. Makes a great Unsolved Mysteries show if nothing else. I wasn't trying to argue just ask a question. No DNA evidence is required for that well it is an interesting question, but when you make an assertion like: Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. in a public forum, you just aserted a theory about the world, and made claims not only that it might be true but that you believe it to be true. did you really expect no one would question it? and if you then dont' address the discrepancies i raise between your theory and the evidence all around us about how the world most likely works, do you really expect me to not question the credibility of your assertion, and even laugh at it? scutfargus' started from the assumption that everything in his particular version of the bible (the only correct version, according to him, if i recall) is true, and that this text overrides physical evidence that may contradict it. can you explain to me why evidence found in myths and old drawings is more credible than, say, genetics or fossils? seems to me you're saying basically the same thing--if textual evidence contradicts physical evidence, then the text wins. although it would be interesting to see if there are any little green men in thai folklore... i dont have a problem with the question, just the first part of your initial statement, which i think is, um... honestly? laughable, at best. people around here are fond of saying everyone's entitled to an opinion, presumably i'm included in 'everyone', and that's my opinion. Yea its laughable if you want a laugh. I said I tend to believe not I totally believe so I'm only half crazy. There is no physical proof of course but its a bizarre coincidence that men all over the world create visions of seemingly other worldly beings. Maybe creative imaginations think alike. No proof to explain it all for you I'm well aware of that so if you want to slam a stop sign in front of it sure but do at least say no I don't know of any references to Aliens in Thailand I admire your ability to point out what you see as flaws but your attacking with great vigor when I said man doesn't seem to fit in and I tend to believe and comparing it to the finite beliefs of fundemental christians. The only thing I have total faith in is mans ability to F**K things up. Man has just begun to mess up the gene pool so its not beyond my imagination to think its been done before. If nothing else it makes great science fiction novels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyboy112003 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry Eagle, i fail to see where this is a "problem" lolMoved to general. actually there are philosophical problems being touched on--limits of knowledge, what qualifies as knowledge, phillosophy of science... of course you can stick with your puny, narrow-minded definition of "problem" as a glitch or bug in the website. next you'll be saying there's only one correct spelling for any given word :roll: well, truth be told, my spelling is usually incorrect ANY way i spell it :roll: But, this thread seems to now want to go to the "Religion & Philosophy" forum 8) *gets puny ass back to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Well self-awareness is not unique to man. A simple 'self-awareness' test is to see if an animal recognises itself in a mirror. If you do ...you are 'self aware'. Chimpanzees and some dolphins are able to recognise themselves. There are some fairly credible theories as to how our self-consciousness evolved. ... Self-awereness? Nothing can be aware of itself ... Simply knowing oneself existing as the reflection in a pond is one thing but not a sign of ego or a departure from the Id which any species with conciousness has as we perceive conciousness. Its a good foundation for the evolution of conciousness although plants have been shown to react to love and attention which could be argued proofs they have self conciousness. I believe that a spirit of life runs through everything and as for individuals I know alot of 2 legged vegetables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Simply knowing oneself existing as the reflection in a pond is one thing but not a sign of ego or a departure from the Id which any species with conciousness has as we perceive conciousness. Its a good foundation for the evolution of conciousness although plants have been shown to react to love and attention which could be argued proofs they have self conciousness. I believe that a spirit of life runs through everything and as for individuals I know alot of 2 legged vegetables Do you need proof for your existence? Evolution of consciousness? Then tell me, who is aware of the evolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Simply knowing oneself existing as the reflection in a pond is one thing but not a sign of ego or a departure from the Id which any species with conciousness has as we perceive conciousness. Its a good foundation for the evolution of conciousness although plants have been shown to react to love and attention which could be argued proofs they have self conciousness. I believe that a spirit of life runs through everything and as for individuals I know alot of 2 legged vegetables Do you need proof for your existence? Evolution of consciousness? Then tell me, who is aware of the evolution? ahhh Robbie made a good case for evolution of conciousness in animals !!! I'm still waiting for proof of conciousness in your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 ahhh Robbie made a good case for evolution of conciousness in animals !!! I'm still waiting for proof of conciousness in your posts you are on the wrong track ... cannot help you until you listen ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 ahhh Robbie made a good case for evolution of conciousness in animals !!! I'm still waiting for proof of conciousness in your posts you are on the wrong track ... cannot help you until you listen ... No one said man wasn't aware but that self awareness could be evolved too. So how could you possilble help me be on the right track when its my track. That would be track hijacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 give up all your idea's and believes and I put you on the right track ... the rest is for you ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 give up all your idea's and believes and I put you on the right track ... the rest is for you ... :twisted: Your insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 first step do not judge before you know ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 first stepdo not judge before you know ... You like steps, there is a nice 12 step program I can recommend for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 hahaha ... this is a waste of time ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Yea its laughable if you want a laugh. I said I tend to believe not I totally believe so I'm only half crazy. There is no physical proof of course the problem is, that there is a LOT of physical evidence that we're not separate from nature AT ALL. so seems to me, if you're going to say we were dumped here by space aliens and are not a part of nature, without even offering a storyline that can be reconciled with the mountain of evidence, then it's laughable to me whether i want a laugh or not. i'm not even looking for "physical proof" just some kind of fit with all the evidence that already exists. in other words, scientists have at this point made a lot of statements that are falsifiable in principle, but they have so far failed to falsify. you've so far said you kinda sorta believe we were dumped here from space in spite of a lot of evidence to the contrary. seems like you ought to be able to falsify some of the odd claims that most scientific descriptions of our nature tend to make, or fit your little green man stories with the evidence somehow. this would at least make it look plausible, and plausibility precedes proof. by the way i don't agree on the great sci fi part either, it's a pretty cliched storyline. but its a bizarre coincidence that men all over the world create visions of seemingly other worldly beings. Maybe creative imaginations think alike. No proof to explain it all for you I'm well aware of that so if you want to slam a stop sign in front of it sure ... you're the same guy who slammed a stop sign in front of scutfargus, yet god concepts exists in more cultures than beings that could be spacemen, as far as i know, unless you want to equate ALL gods with spacemen. and if you do that, what makes spacemen more agreeable otherworldly beings than gods? i don't get it. but do at least say no I don't know of any references to Aliens in Thailand already told you, your answers can be found on page 18... and much more... admire your ability to point out what you see as flaws but your attacking with great vigor when I said man doesn't seem to fit in because there is tons of physical evidence that man fits in. and I tend to believe and comparing it to the finite beliefs of fundemental christians. The only thing I have total faith in is mans ability to F**K things up. fair enough; your beliefs are not absolute. therein lies the difference. however, my point in bringing up scud and co is that what your saying parallels their anti-evolution argument note for note. \ it's also built on the premise that we dont fit in with nature, same as theirs. given that there is a huge amount of evidence that we DO fit in, i'd say ignore it at your peril--ignoring it and not at least integrating it into your storyline makes your case even flimsier than scud's house of mirrors. Man has just begun to mess up the gene pool so its not beyond my imagination to think its been done before. If nothing else it makes great science fiction novels of course it's been done before! ever eat wheat? seen a miniature poodle? two words: ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. in other words, messing up the gene pool. if you're saying that at some point space aliens intervened and experimented on hominids or their ancestors, then that is slighltly less cosimically comical and comes closer to fitting into all the physical evidence you've apparently chosen to ignore in favor of a few texts, but it still seems unnecessary to explain how we're put together, both physically and mentally. however, it does tie up rather neatly all this talk in world mythology about gods from outside the world --they're not gods theyre' space aliens... which are.... in effect..... um... gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 hahaha ... this is a waste of time ... NEWS FLASH: TF FORUMS A WASTE OF TIME. ah... hate to burst your bubble but... for the most part, that's why we're all here in the forums. to waste time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 ah... hate to burst your bubble but... for the most part, that's why we're all here in the forums. to waste time. ... do not mind wasting time ... but hate to do it with the wrong people like mister Astronaut. It seems you have more patience ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I never said I didn't believe in God or some sort of God just not Scuds version. And I am was avoiding the science fiction sounding theories I have read that show some possiblities of aliens landing here as they would never stand up in your court . I was just trying to come up with a thread with something to chew on and this seems to work , lol In the scope of the imagination anything is possible. You ,being a God ooh Zeus, could simply be covering the tracks of your landing here on earth and thus keeping the world from learning of your evil plan to reestablish earth as a colony of cat like creatures. Thats as possible as anything as your cat seems to drink like an irishman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 ah... hate to burst your bubble but... for the most part, that's why we're all here in the forums. to waste time. ... do not mind wasting time ... but hate to do it with the wrong people like mister Astronaut. It seems you have more patience ... Zeus also has considerably more to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O123ok Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? I've never heard of any references to that sort of thing... in Thai society at least. Inexplicable events are usually seen as supernatural or paranormal as opposed to 'super science'. I'm guessing that if a Thai were to see a UFO, most would probably think of it as a ghost and if they saw a little green man then they would be sure that it was a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? I've never heard of any references to that sort of thing... in Thai society at least. Inexplicable events are usually seen as supernatural or paranormal as opposed to 'super science'. I'm guessing that if a Thai were to see a UFO, most would probably think of it as a ghost and if they saw a little green man then they would be sure that it was a monster. Thanks Outlook !!! I went thru a gauntlet to hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 ah... hate to burst your bubble but... for the most part, that's why we're all here in the forums. to waste time. ... do not mind wasting time ... but hate to do it with the wrong people like mister Astronaut. It seems you have more patience ... or more interest in wasting time :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 I never said I didn't believe in God or some sort of God just not Scuds version. And I am was avoiding the science fiction sounding theories I have read that show some possiblities of aliens landing here as they would never stand up in your court . I was just trying to come up with a thread with something to chew on and this seems to work , lol In the scope of the imagination anything is possible. You ,being a God ooh Zeus, could simply be covering the tracks of your landing here on earth and thus keeping the world from learning of your evil plan to reestablish earth as a colony of cat like creatures. Thats as possible as anything as your cat seems to drink like an irishman :shock: now everyone knows :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 there is not one single thing ....one even one tiny insignificant thing......that seperates man from the other animals consider the carbon shape we have taken.....that our behavioural patterns can be found in all other creatures......etc if you going to think about the questions of the cosmos you need to look far deeper ......you cant take things like even our 5 sense for granted......or carbon self replicating life forms ....etc etc......in the cosmic grand scale of things there is little to no difference from man and an amoeba..... aliens...whatever they be.....(and I believe its likely that they do exist in an infinite and chaotic universe ) ....would very unlikely have any similarity to our physical form....way of pervieving the world (plausible that we could not even perviece of each other existance.) ...certainly we could not project our hopes and asspirations on them....although "survival" would have to be a similiarly desirable concept ammoungst any species that has evolved from a molecular base in a universe (with the second law of thermodynamics....not assuming all parts of the universe even obey this law)..... er....without getting carried away......biology , science, evolutionary theory , anthropology and the social sciences have gone far enough for me to explain just how we came to be here ......there is no mystery or gap that allows or requires me make some bizaar assumption that aliens came here and manipulated our gene pool..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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