Farang residents V Farang Tourists

[marky12345]

Why do farang expats look down their noses at farang tourists for going to bars and chasing girls when in 99% of cases this is exactly what they came to Thailand for in the first place.

I want answers.

[zeusbheld]

zeus is funny.

zeus goes to dodgy bars at times because he follows his friends.

ciaranm goes there because they sell booze.

now a question - why girlie bars are more fun than normal pubs or places ?

going for only dirnks with friends. with good companies anywhere will do. no ? why dodgy bars ?

jesus .... do u practice being stupid or do u just have a natural talent for it ....

zeus has been here for 6/7/8 months and has been to girlie/dodgy bars 3 times, i have already told u i go roughly as often, so why do u have this fixation as to why we go there ?? is it really going to have a profound impact on ur life ??

that three times is over about 1 3/4 years, the first two times were before i moved here, as part of the standard tourist treatment. clearly i am obsessed with the places, and can't stay out of them. i shall seek counseling immediately if not sooner.

even more disturbing is my fixation with homepro. i've been there three times this week. seems i have this addiction to expensive german paint thinner...

[zeusbheld]

lol

i think tf needs more of people like you ( and more of humours like yours). not long post like yours though. j/k lol

now THAT is a scary thought.... :shock:

if you don't know the movie "the boys from brazil"... google it.

[CiaranM]

i said as, a woman, i don't seem to understand why some men choose going there.

k ?

u r a woman (possibly) u r never going to understand it ... get over it some time soon !!

[LUNATICFRINGE]

These are not answers, but may serve as clarification.

I did not really think Western expats passed judgment on the Western tourists BECAUSE they are in and out of the slatternity houses and/or chasing girls. That is sort of a harsh generalization. Keep in mind that many of those expats have commercial interests in those very establishments.

My friends and I do talk about the tourists and the new comers. If someone is here for the bar scene or to chase girls, then "so what?"

Afterall, a reproductive opportunity, especially where the Darwinian table is turned, either for the tourist or the expat, can be difficult to pass up. There is nothing wrong with that.

And there is nothing wrong with "chasing girls" as you mean it.

That being said...there is criticism and that criticism lies not in their leisure activities. It?s their imposing on others outside the [tourist] bar-scene to listen to their bar girl stories, battles, and triumphs. KEEP IT TO YOURSELF OR GO FIND ANOTHER LIKE YOU TO TELL YOUR STORIES.

Many who live and work here, and have been through the ropes, do not want to listen to it. It is boring, mundane conversation for many expats. It can be a throw-back to the challenging adjustment phase that many immigrants face anywhere. That Bernard Trink, each week, was able to put a new spin on it all was amazing.

I can recall instances where I was having a cup of coffee on a Sunday morning or having a quiet drink one weekday afternoon in the pub where one of these [middle aged] jackasses in Billabongs comes skipping in like Jack the Lad, sits within proximity of me or another.

When he's satisfied that his fidgeting, throat-clearing, and phantom remarks have gotten my attention, his deluge starts about how he spent Baht 20,000 in some Patpong bar last night, how he too was dancing on stage, what Thai women are really like and how they all just love him, how he, after 3 weeks, has some deep intimate connection with the local culture-- followed then by an education in Thai culture and Thailand's regulatory/investment framework.

Who the f*ck wants to listen to this?-- especially one who has been here for the long-term. When one laughs, the World is not always laughing WITH you [not to be taken as you in particular].

It has come to the point where I have said "I don't care for your bullshit", then move to another seat.

And from a standpoint of human sexuality, nothing new has been discovered in this regard. Carry on as you wish. But spare others the naivette and vanity.

[zeusbheld]

i said as, a woman, i don't seem to understand why some men choose going there. so, i simply asked why. no intention to offend you or zeus. that's it.

k ?

not offended.

bet you don't understand why men never ask for directions even if they're lost, leave the toilet seat up, or watch sports either...

we men like it like that, we can thereby delude ourselves that we are complex and mysterious (as opposed to shallow and arbitrary).

[zeusbheld]

LUNATICFRINGE: very good points.

DEAR SEX TOURISTS AND SEXPATS,

i am sorry i gave you the wrong impression. i don't look down on you, i admire you.

congratulations on being the first humans on the planet to discover the world's oldest profession.

i especially appreciate the lectures on understanding thai culture and understanding thai women. you have opened my eyes. really. i'm sincerely and deeply glad for you that you're scoring some babes.

i'm also glad to hear that the bargirl you live with doesn't mind if you go with other girls. you heartwarming story made my visa run a memory to cherish, and saved battery life on my ipod. it's hard to read on a bouncing bus anyway.

very clever, by the way, buying those stylish diesel board shorts in a 32" waist and then letting your gut hang over them, it makes you look younger, thinner, and outright studly.

keep up the work.

yours with all due respect,

zbh

[CiaranM]

even more disturbing is my fixation with homepro. i've been there three times this week. seems i have this addiction to expensive german paint thinner...

do u mix it with coke, ginger or soda ... or just neat on the rocks ??

[pr0nmaster]

expensive german paint thinner ?

even your cheap street drug use is pretentious !

[steevolution]

i will admit to enjoying watching naked women dance. i don't mean a bored woman shuffling around. but little synchronized dance routines that would be enjoyable if the dancers were clothed. if they're unclothed, i feel no urge to scream,"hey cover that **** up!". and the gogo dancers they sometimes have in discos to get the crowd going? i think they'd pump the crowd up even more if they were naked. (the band the Butthole Surfers used to tour with a naked dancer, small crazy girl that never stopped going nuts during a two hour show, and she did indeed incite the crowd, men and women. i believe she was also the reason the band was locked up for a few days in a Southern jail. naked female body is obscene, don't you know.) never seen an honest-to-God pole dancer, (don't think my wanna-be bodybuilder with flamboyant tendencies room-mate counts). but that would be interesting. a dancer that's into the music, if they're clothed it's interesting. if they're naked, i'll admit it's a little more interesting.

balance balance balance. there's gotta be balance in life. so if watching naked women is a person's (man or woman) social life, well, that's not healthy.

and i will say that trying to find anything more than the bored-girl-shuffling-around type of naked dancing in bkk is not ez (the bored naked girls, when i see that it makes me feel the same as going to an old-fashioned zoo and seeing the boredom there. not so good. you gotta really want to see chimpanzees, to enjoy watching one use his feces for modeling clay. (am i drawing a mental picture for ya here?.)

on the gambling reference in a previous post, i was raised in a place with legalized gambling (nevada) and i did indeed hang out in casinos without gambling myself(cheap cheap food and drink, open twenty four hours per day. flashing lights, action, often interesting people). THE REASON I NEVER GAMBLED is that when you live around casinos, you realize the game is rigged, that it is not fun and games, that it is a business. business business business. dirtied up with filthy lucre.

maybe that is one reason expats feel superior to tourists (other than mostly-slash that, more often- having the good sense to not make drunken spectacles of themselves): we understand that the sex industry is an industry. the Holodek on the starship is an illusion. it can be a very very convincing and satisfying one. sure, relax, get your yayas out, but don't think it's love. that's precious anydamnwhere. "lotta love in Bangkok. feel the love in this town!" hah.

just caus they call you handsome man when you're walkin down the street, you probly ain't.

ferretting out good naked dancing, i don't usually have the time. (i admit to sometimes wishing i did). and it might be like drinking, more dangerous when done alone. but when friends come from out of town and want to see the sights, i do my best to show them to them, no arm twisting necessary.

you can call the above spouting Confessions of a Man that Enjoys the Naked Female Form. i know, i know...really pervy. "cover that **** up!!!"

[Undercover]

NEWS FLASH: Heterosexual men enjoy looking at naked girls. Young men, old men, farang men, thai men. If they've got a "Y" chromosone, they like it. Bisexual girls also enjoy looking at naked girls, which is why many of the bi-girls on TF are also notorious patrons of local go-go bars, and for that matter, patrons of local go-go girls. Big freakin' deal.

Male sexuality is really simply:

Men like *****. In the absence of having ***** - even for a few hours - they enjoy looking at *****. In the absence of being able to look at *****, they like to talk about *****. That's pretty much all you need to known about male sexuality.

Get over it.

As far as "sex tourists," well as nobody knows better than the ladies on TF, there are a lot of cheap mofo's online here. Many of the expats here on TF can't afford to be sex tourists - it's an expensive hobby, especially if you're earning a Thai wage. Do you really think a guy who's too cheap to take you to Fuji and a movie is going to pay a bar fine? HELLO!

And many of them - as Ciaran noted - are simply too freakin' tired from working to go out to any bar, whether it has silver poles or not.

I personally hate go-go bars for the following reasons: a) the drinks suck the music sucks and c) the girls, although naked, are usually ugly. If you know of any bars that don't match that description, please feel free to PM me.

I'd rather go to a freelancer bar, by which I mean virtually any other bar in Bangkok and look at girls there. Although clothed, the girls are prettier and many of them are half-dressed anyway. Hopefully the better whiskey selection and the occasional non-Eagles/Dire Straits song will compensate.

The hypocrisy here is breathtaking. I had a party at my house a few weeks ago - all TF people and all couples - and we all ended up at a go-go bar on Patpong at 1:30 in the morning. And it was the ladies' idea to go there. Just for the record, all of the men are long-time expats and all of the women are upper-class and well-educated. But I'll let my guests post for themselves if they feel like it....

So please, spare me the inane and "krang ngo" rhetoric about who goes to these "dodgy" places? The answer is, a hell of a lot of people. As the poet Ogden Nash wrote "Home is heaven and orgies are vile - but I like an orgy, once in a while."

[Princess]

i will admit to enjoying watching naked women dance. i don't mean a bored woman shuffling around. but little synchronized dance routines that would be enjoyable if the dancers were clothed. if they're unclothed, i feel no urge to scream,"hey cover that sh*t up!". and the gogo dancers they sometimes have in discos to get the crowd going? i think they'd pump the crowd up even more if they were naked. (the band the Butthole Surfers used to tour with a naked dancer, small crazy girl that never stopped going nuts during a two hour show, and she did indeed incite the crowd, men and women. i believe she was also the reason the band was locked up for a few days in a Southern jail. naked female body is obscene, don't you know.) never seen an honest-to-God pole dancer, (don't think my wanna-be bodybuilder with flamboyant tendencies room-mate counts). but that would be interesting. a dancer that's into the music, if they're clothed it's interesting. if they're naked, i'll admit it's a little more interesting.

balance balance balance. there's gotta be balance in life. so if watching naked women is a person's (man or woman) social life, well, that's not healthy.

and i will say that trying to find anything more than the bored-girl-shuffling-around type of naked dancing in bkk is not ez (the bored naked girls, when i see that it makes me feel the same as going to an old-fashioned zoo and seeing the boredom there. not so good. you gotta really want to see chimpanzees, to enjoy watching one use his feces for modeling clay. (am i drawing a mental picture for ya here?.)

on the gambling reference in a previous post, i was raised in a place with legalized gambling (nevada) and i did indeed hang out in casinos without gambling myself(cheap cheap food and drink, open twenty four hours per day. flashing lights, action, often interesting people). THE REASON I NEVER GAMBLED is that when you live around casinos, you realize the game is rigged, that it is not fun and games, that it is a business. business business business. dirtied up with filthy lucre.

maybe that is one reason expats feel superior to tourists (other than mostly-slash that, more often- having the good sense to not make drunken spectacles of themselves): we understand that the sex industry is an industry. the Holodek on the starship is an illusion. it can be a very very convincing and satisfying one. sure, relax, get your yayas out, but don't think it's love. that's precious anydamnwhere. "lotta love in Bangkok. feel the love in this town!" hah.

just caus they call you handsome man when you're walkin down the street, you probly ain't.

ferretting out good naked dancing, i don't usually have the time. (i admit to sometimes wishing i did). and it might be like drinking, more dangerous when done alone. but when friends come from out of town and want to see the sights, i do my best to show them to them, no arm twisting necessary.

you can call the above essay Confessions of a Man that Enjoys the Naked Female Form. i know, i know...really pervy. "cover that sh*t up!!!"

Can I use some of this or is it copyrighted?

[zeusbheld]

NEWS FLASH: Heterosexual men enjoy looking at naked girls. Young men, old men, farang men, thai men. If they've got a "Y" chromosone, they like it. Bisexual girls also enjoy looking at naked girls, which is why many of the bi-girls on TF are also notorious patrons of local go-go bars, and for that matter, patrons of local go-go girls. Big freakin' deal.

and homosexual men like looking at naked boys. and a case could be made that a) women are less binary sexually than men (they can be a 'little bit bi' whereas men tend to be either/or) purely heterosexual women look at women, not necessarily naked, but they look at women.

I personally hate go-go bars for the following reasons: a) the drinks suck the music sucks and c) the girls, although naked, are usually ugly. If you know of any bars that don't match that description, please feel free to PM me.

these days, the girls ain't generally full-monty naked. the main 'scandalous' thing about the gogo bars is that the girls will go home with guys for a price.

i dont find the shows at all sexy, but i like spectacle. they have shiny things, like mirrors and chrome in these bars, and lots of glittery lights. i am a magpie. i likes shiny things.

until they have strip shows with good lookin' women dressed as business executives (skirt-suit and pumps, and preferably with glasses) this sort of thing doesn't press any buttons for me. also, i don't find exhibitionism attractive quality (not a moral judgment, just a visceral reaction) so even if the girls were overeducated enough to match my level of pretentiousness i hate parades and wouldnt want to bring such a girl home. if i wasnt desperate. and thanks to my overwhelming animal magnetism, i'm never desperate.

So please, spare me the inane and "krang ngo" rhetoric about who goes to these "dodgy" places? The answer is, a hell of a lot of people. As the poet Ogden Nash wrote "Home is heaven and orgies are vile - but I like an orgy, once in a while."

sociobiology and visceral reactions aside, there's no point being shocked and outraged that anyone would set foot in these places. they are part of expat social life here in bangkok.

men, women, etc. all go and socialize in these places, and generally only the tourists fall into the traps.

[Princess]

i dont find the shows at all sexy, but i like spectacle. they have shiny things, like mirrors and chrome in these bars, and lots of glittery lights. i am a magpie. i likes shiny things.

That makes no sense. It doesn't satisfactorily explain your fixation with my purse instead of YS's (hers was much shinier...sequins 'n stuff)

[Princess]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

[frankenburner2]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

Should the mood ever take you, you can address your reply to me directly.

Or if you haven't got anything nice to say, just get your ***'s out and jiggle them :wink:

YIKES!!!!

[zeusbheld]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

Should the mood ever take you, you can address your reply to me directly.

Or if you haven't got anything nice to say, just get your ***'s out and jiggle them :wink:

YIKES!!!!

bruce... for everyone's sake...

DO NOT get your **** out and jiggle them.

[frankenburner2]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

Should the mood ever take you, you can address your reply to me directly.

Or if you haven't got anything nice to say, just get your ***'s out and jiggle them :wink:

YIKES!!!!

bruce... for everyone's sake...

DO NOT get your **** out and jiggle them.

Jeez..that's an even worse visual image!

[Princess]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

Should the mood ever take you, you can address your reply to me directly.

Or if you haven't got anything nice to say, just get your ***'s out and jiggle them :wink:

So you're Steevolution?

[zeusbheld]

So you're Steevolution?

No, I am evolution, check your messages :roll:

further evidence that evolution doesn't progress toward anything...

[steevolution]

When pissed I like to look at ***'s, they give me more pleasure if jiggled, call me a traditionalist.

(Princess I waive all copyright on the piece, please feel free to use and credit)

Weeeelll...he's got some good points but I was actually going to use it as an example of what happens when you don't structure "essays"

Just kidding, don't wet your panties guys

Should the mood ever take you, you can address your reply to me directly.

Or if you haven't got anything nice to say, just get your ***'s out and jiggle them :wink:

jeez i can't turn my back for even one day. look at this willya?

saint101, you are one smooth talkin, silver tongued Devil. i'd appreciate it if ya didn't try to sliiiiiiiide in and cut my grass.

Princess, it is all copyrighted, but you i'll allow to use it (for educational purposes). and i agree: i really could use an editor. pulling stuff outta my head/ass is my talent. not structuring it. i miss all the good stuff. mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. and yes, i am Steevolution.

[steevolution]

after carefully reading the forum posts, one detail caught my eye. "the vote *****" mentioned something about free tastes. are there coupons available? can you give more details on qualifying for these priveledges, how one goes about obtaining them? your instructions cannot be too detailed for my liking. please. your eager student... Stevo.

[alvish]

I always thought the arrogant / snobbish reactions was cause theyr'e threatened by outsiders, the more tourists / travellers turn up the less special they are, specially the older ex-pats reaction to the younger tourist / traveller. Experiencing Thailand for the 1st time is always gonna be better than the day to day life of an ex-pat.

You could probably see similar reactions on this site if you look hard enough.

[zeusbheld]

So you're Steevolution?

No, I am evolution, check your messages :roll:

further evidence that evolution doesn't progress toward anything...

And the good lord said the meek shall inherit the earth....

Who would have thought that meek meant nerd and the earth was the Internet explorer logo.......

congratulations on your windfall!

genius. quit your day job. get an agent. do standup... if you can walk upright, i'm betting against.

oh and ps sunshine... wouldnt that meek business apply to you also? i noticed you were here to reply... assume anything you want, though, your radiant intelliigence just shines through, like your rapier-keen wit.

[zeusbheld]

I always thought the arrogant / snobbish reactions was cause theyr'e threatened by outsiders, the more tourists / travellers turn up the less special they are, specially the older ex-pats reaction to the younger tourist / traveller. Experiencing Thailand for the 1st time is always gonna be better than the day to day life of an ex-pat.

You could probably see similar reactions on this site if you look hard enough.

there is some of that i'm sure. lots of blowhards "iv'e been here since 1904" puffing up. most ppl seem pretty chill if you dont act like a complete fuckwit. i visited here as a tourist a few times (generally on my way somewhere else) before i ended up here, and i found expats to generally be approachable and helpful.

there is also some element of many tourists acting like they left their brain at customs. this is true of tourists everywhere, but worse here. in new york, if i go to a pub with some friends, then go to the bathroom, the guy in the stall next to me (HINT NOT THE TIME OR PLACE leave me alone i want to piss in peace) doesnt ask me which bar has the best hooker. it happens pretty close to 100 percent of the time here.

hint #2, for toursits.: if i'm walking fast in the toasty-warm tropics, there's probably a reason for it, and the bigheadphones and dark glasses generally mean i don't want to give directions and probably don't know where you're going anyway.

[CiaranM]

I always thought the arrogant / snobbish reactions was cause theyr'e threatened by outsiders, the more tourists / travellers turn up the less special they are, specially the older ex-pats reaction to the younger tourist / traveller. Experiencing Thailand for the 1st time is always gonna be better than the day to day life of an ex-pat.

You could probably see similar reactions on this site if you look hard enough.

any farang living or visiting thailand who thinks he is special must be living in some kind of time warp.

the main bug bear i have with "young tourists" is being constantly asked "where's the best go go bars and/or shows" and "how much should i pay for a girl"

mind u when they r told "i don't f**king know and i don't f**king care" they usually get the message !!