THE WAY THAI WOMEN TREAT FARANG MEN

[Angel_Master]

I only posted in this tread because I generally agreed with the opinion that many farangs coming to live in Thailand might feel like they are surrounded by promiscuous people so become much more promiscuous themselves than they had ever been before.

Yes, I have in my time in Thailand gotten to know some girls to some degree who have chosen to work as prostitutes. I think that is obvious. I don't just make this stuff up. I do also read and listen to the stories about the experiences of others. I have never been done over by one, I could see that a mile off, and would never accept a girl as a girlfriend who didn't show that she was worthy. I have been saddened to see how some of them choose that life when they clearly have other choices.

I generally don't judge and reject people as friends because of their choices and opinions. I can be friendly and learn from almost anyone whether or not I agree with them or think the choices they have made are good or bad. I am however very aware that some people are up no good and one must be very aware of this and careful not to get involved with such people. However, I see friendly conversation as fairly safe ground.

Why is that poll at the top of the page like that? This is the question I was attempting to answer with my first post. Maybe this is not the real reason and people are just being goofy, but it is my idea about a general impression, albeit I agree that it is an overall false impression.

It is best for any farang to stay away from Cowboy and all the other similar places in Thailand. If most did I'm sure that they would also have a very different opinion of the place.

[superskater]

There are so many guys like you in BKK and I think there is nothing wrong with you.

Although some girls may "choose" to work in the P4P industry. I feel the word choose is a little harsh for many. I feel many girls tried to make it working at a gas station, or as a waitress in a restaurant or especially as a factory worker.

But after paying their living expenses, mostly for a cheap apartment and cheap food, there was no money left to give to mom, or the baby.

A girl who had to drop out of school well before 12th grade doesn't have a lot of options in Thailand, especially when the upper class rich Thais for the most part will not hire an uneducated, dark-skinned girl from Esarn.

So the girl borrows from loan sharks or rich relatives at high interest and eventually gets into the P4P business. I feel sorry for these girls. I don't think many of them chose this life. They just couln't make ends meet in the factory and most respectable Thai middle class boys would not even consider marrying such a girl.

I think these girls need help, education, and occupational training and not ridicule.

I don't mean to imply either that you disagree with this angel master. Your post merely inspired me to make this point.

You say the girl has other choices. Her parents take her out of school when she is 14 and send her off to make money for the family. At the age of 18 she realizes that she needs to make at least 15 to 20K baht a month for her, mom, and the baby.

You say she has other choices or options. So tell me what are they. Become the next Tata Young or an Olympic gold medalist. How does an uneducated dark-skinned girl from Esarn make 15 to 20K baht a month?

I think she has little or no options in this society to make that kind of money. Sure there are brilliant self-made entrepreneurs or rags to riches stories but they are few and far between.

I would much rather help people like this than chastise or criticize them. Their life is hard enough.

[Angel_Master]

I do agree with what you are saying there is much truth in it. Many of them do get into the industry because of their financial needs, lack of opportunities and most of all ignorance. The question is why do they stay when they are given the opportunity to get out? Some do take the opportunity, but some don't. And it's true that some are never given any other real opportunity to earn much of a living. Yes the situation for them is bad.

I was focusing only on those who do have choices but choose to stay or maybe hold out for a better offer.. ie. richer guy who is easier with his money, but almost always such girls just use such fellow when they do come along and dump them as soon as they are played out or something better comes along.

An overly sensitive attitude towards girls who choose to work as prostitutes can get one into trouble. Yes I could choose more genital wording, but I think it is necessary to face reality head on, on this point.

[Guest]

Can you get any more superior?

Full of ****, your view of the world is so far off mark it is unreal, what have you ever done in your life to give you the right to come on an open forum and preach as if you have the answer to the problem. Have YOU ever been in a situation where you have to make a life choice that involves an industry such as the sex trade? Has it even crossed your mind that some of the girls choose that way of life because it is a lot easier than working in a gas station and the rewards are higher?

Your a walking contradiction, in one post you defend your statements that you should be paying for a womans company monthly then backtrack when challenged and now here you are saying that ALL these girls need help and education.

From experience: I used to work security and one of my jobs for a year or so was driving for an escort agency looking after the girls, yeah hookers, it was not in my job description to beat them and make them do it, they actually wanted to do it. Why? Because the rewards were that good!! Many had boyfriends some had kids as well, some of the fella's knew what their girlfriend was doing some didnt. My point? They were people, no better no worse than anyone else despite their job choice for whatever reason they chose to do it. I met some great people, some of which I am still in touch with now and I met some piss poor players and some sad cases, but in all of this guess who everyone in the industry looked down on including the girls?

THE PUNTERS!

There's a ******* surprise.

It makes me laugh to now see the punters looking down on the girls...

MUGS.

As long as you fuckwits will pay there will always be hookers ALL OVER THE WORLD and the only ones bitter and twisted about it are you.

Now let the denial come forth.....

[Guest]

that post was aimed at super slippery, but applies to you as well.

Go back and live with your mum.

[superskater]

Nice philosophy

but lets get back to money

a girl needs 15 to 20K per month for herself, mom and the baby?

What can she do?

Gas station pays 3 to 6K per month

waitress pays 5 to 8K per month

Of course where the pay is higher so is the cost of living

Any practical solutions for these girls to address their immediate needs?

I missed them in your last post.

I'm looking for practical solutions or alternatives to the P$P industry for these girls.

I'm not trying to decide whether or not to look down on them

I don't look down on anyone.

[Guest]

Nice philosophy

but lets get back to money

a girl needs 15 to 20K per month for herself, mom and the baby?

What can she do?

Gas station pays 3 to 6K per month

waitress pays 5 to 8K per month

Of course where the pay is higher so is the cost of living

Any practical solutions for these girls to address their immediate needs?

I missed them in your last post.

I'm looking for practical solutions or alternatives to the P$P industry for these girls.

I'm not trying to decide whether or not to look down on them

I don't look down on anyone.

Oh I didnt understand, this is someone you know and you are actually going to do something about it right?

Sorry I just thought you were full of ****.

[superskater]

I give poor people in Thailand money almost everyday

Making people aware of the problem and offering solutions is helping these people

I've already donated money to the underpaid police and to charitable organizations

Can I help all the poor girls in Esarn? of course, not.

I don't have enough financial resources

Neither does the Thai government

But I won't look down on them and say they chose their life either

I have given and loaned money to poor people from Esarn and will give away and loan more in the future. I can't help them all but I'd rather help a few than do nothing.

But I've been doing things like this long before I came to Thailand.

[superskater]

sets the tone

does not equal

the root of all evil

you have very little it anything to do with most of the evil in the world

still putting words in my mouth

a master of distortion

[superskater]

like you

but I admire that you have written some

[Angel_Master]

Interesting post, really can't be sure who it is directed at and what your referring to regarding your references to things that someone said on this forum.

If it was me, I'm sorry if I came off as preaching it wasn't my intention. Just have ideas and opinions that are not fixed in stone and I want to speak my mind. Helps me sort out what I really think. I only hope to stimulate others to think as well. Think for themselves, that is, not necessarily agree with what I have to say.

I don't know anyone who has it all figured out and has all the answers. I know a few people who think they do though.

What is interesting and also a good contribution to this tread is the part about your experience. Totally realistic, I don't doubt it for a minute. It totally fits with my own experience. I don't for minute question that prostitutes and their other co-workers do so totally look down on their customers, I'm sure they do.

However, I cannot agree that one is any worse than the other. They are a match.

[Guest]

Interesting post, really can't be sure who it is directed at and what your referring to regarding your references to things that someone said on this forum.

If it was me, I'm sorry if I came off as preaching it wasn't my intention. Just have ideas and opinions that are not fixed in stone and I want to speak my mind. Helps me sort out what I really think. I only hope to stimulate others to think as well. Think for themselves, that is, not necessarily agree with what I have to say.

I don't know anyone who has it all figured out and has all the answers. I know a few people who think they do though.

What is interesting and also a good contribution to this tread is the part about your experience. Totally realistic, I don't doubt it for a minute. It totally fits with my own experience. I don't for minute question that prostitutes and their other co-workers do so totally look down on their customers, I'm sure they do.

However, I cannot agree that one is any worse than the other. They are a match.

No they are not, for one its a business for the other its a sad fantasy.

Glad I could clear that up, try finding a decent girl instead of wallowing in your own self pity, because despite your best efforts to disguise it that is exactly what you are doing.

[Angel_Master]

Regarding, just the one point about girls choosing to stay in the life, one possibility that should be considered is the amount of lowlife lying Farangs making promises they are never going to keep to bargirls. Stands to reason that if they acquire a Farang that promises them a "future" the jealous ones, the vicious ones and the rumour mongers will soon put paid to any confidence they would feel going forwards with "a relationship"

I'd bet that even their mamasan would be telling them how she escaped the life once just to be thrown back into it once Johnny farang got bored, or tired of defending his ex *****, tired of lying about his ex ***** or younger better ***** came along.

It would certainly give them a case for grabbing the loot and running, methinks.

I've seen guys fall in love ala the bigger better deal on a week to week basis, so to call a girl a slut for choosing the "security" of the life over the "security" of a nice Farang seems extremely one dimensionally puritan.

And: My point in t'other post was who gets to say what constitutes the epitome of sluttiness? One (wo) mans fetish is another (wo)man's vanilla

Your points are well made and I must agree that there are many girls who fall into this category.

Far be it from me to try to overcome such social pressures. I would encourage any friend to stay clear as well. Yes, I have tried unsuccessfully and more than once. :roll:

I am willing to admit that the category of women I am referring to might be a small minority. I really can't accurately assess that.

Well, if I ever had a point to make in this thread, it was lost a long time ago.

Still in my view, many of them do have other jobs before they choose to work in the bars. Admittedly yes their earnings from other jobs are terribly low, but thousands of Thais do live on such earnings.

How much money one "needs" is extremely relative.

I have far more respect for and feel much better about being generous with a girl who has chosen to patiently stay at some boring low paying job rather than turn to prostitution.

Of course I don't mean to dictate what anyone else should think. It is just what I think.

[Angel_Master]

No they are not, for one its a business for the other its a sad fantasy.

Glad I could clear that up, try finding a decent girl instead of wallowing in your own self pity, because despite your best efforts to disguise it that is exactly what you are doing.

Ha, now that's a new justification. Like I never heard that before! It is in fact the same thing as what I am presenting. It is a point of view that helps you live your life the way you choose to.

Wallowing in self-pity, really! I'm doing just fine and I have found a nice girl. I used to think much like some of you who are so disagreeing with my point of view, understanding and respect for the poor girls and all. I have come to see that is a load of crap. And actually for your information my comments are more prompted by running into regular girls who just want to **** around. Although, I have in the past also run into a few prostitutes or girls who despite claiming to be otherwise where in fact prostitutes of the type I pointed out. Yes, occasionally they like to meet a fellow of their own choosing who is not paying for sex or thinks of them as a prostitute, but that doesn't mean they would consider choosing a compatible lifestyle.

They seemed to me to be quite similar. I wish to steer clear of such women, a total waste of my time and, if I am footing the bills which is often the case, my money as well. A point I wasn't looking to make as I have made it before, but as you have picked this out of what I said, so be it.

[Guest]

I would love to reply but I am now dead.

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as you can see I am busy haunting people

wooooooo wooooooo wooooooooo

*Tatt2dude 1975-2006*

[Angel_Master]

It is very wrong that the economic situation does push them to take up prostitution for a living or live on 4000 bath a month. While politicians who have raped the country and given nothing but false hope can be jetting around the world enjoying the best of everything.

No doubt many of the girls were quite nice and normal before they got into prostitution, but it changes them. Many others who are promiscuous didn?t start out that way. There is often a history that leads up to it.

I just can't go on believing in the innate goodness of bargirls and that they are just victims of circumstance. They are no better than other promiscuous men and women. And I won't for a minute claim that I am innocent. I don't mean to spoil any body's fun. And it doesn?t mean that I can't enjoy having a beer in some seedy Sukumvit bar now and again. It is just important to set boundaries, as I'm sure you all do as well.

This whole discussion started just talking about an impression. It has gotten way off topic. I brought up the in your face prostitution as a contributing factor to a probably false impression, if you can take my posts as a whole.

[chocolateLady]

- Give before take

- be resonable

- Respect yourself and other

[RocketPub]

i do treat him with trust and respect but if he fu**ck with hoocker. i'll find new one..cheers T, i dont f**ck with money i have got enough al my own T

[nthbeachman]

Whoa there sure is lot of energy about this subject!!!!

My first time at the 'post it thing' on Thai Friends............so please be gentle...LOL

I have had a couple of friendships and short term holiday relationships with Thai women, but I am cetainly no expert.

I was hoping to find a Thai woman to marry....always loved them..........can't explain why...the gentle tenderness or the elegant stillness of the women I have met .............I just prefer their personalities or somethin' ??????

Can'r realy get into the stuff about 'Thai women are all loose or whores' or whatever.....seems to me that we all have to find a way to live in this world......and I have it a lot easier than many.

I have found the way I was treated and how I treat myself today as a man inside is the way others treat me on the outside........OUCH!!!!

If I am acting in a way that devalues myself and sells myself short thats what I get from others.......

I am no saint so I aint gunna' start to talk about how another should live.......I got too much work to do on myself...AGGGGHH!

I do hope that what I have read in these blogs isn't all the truth tho' cause I really hold a hope in my heart of making a happy home here in Australia with gorgeous Thai woman.

P

[Angel_Master]

Dear someone who is above me.

I made 4000 B a month after I finnished my BA, I admit that my life then was tough...but you have no choice when living in the place where everyone else is farming.

After all, even 4000 B a month hurt me bad, I cannot see that I'll become a prostitute anyhow...well I just want to address that not every girl will do prostitution thing even they make so little and their lives are kinda hard.

There're always ways and ways out here, you just need to stop and think, what you can do best and give you effort on it.

Yes, that is very good. I really respect that. There are many times more girls in Thailand who don't choose prostitution than those who do for sure. Exactly, there are ways to get by. Not great at all, but one can get by. Hope you are lucky and can get something better.

[funnyman]

Thai women are no better or no worse than woman anywhere else. In fact thye tend to be better than most.

Each society as different values and ways of dealing with human realtionships. The idea that Thai women are somehow loose or in anyway less moral than women form anywhere else is just a fallacy and has no basis in fact.

From myown experience I would have to say I was trreated best by Thai women and it has only been a joy to have been invlved with Thai women at all.

This is not to say that there are not certain things I noticed about the culture which I maybe was not so impressed or overjoyed by, but then what country is perfect? Certainly not mine, coz as a proud Belguim man told me recently the USA has more than its fair share of awful women, many ugly and far too many obese! This is so true and in general Id say that also they do not treat men nearly as well as Thai women.

The question was about how Thai women TREAT farang NOT love or such topics coz on that score I have very bluntly made my views known. I think I was widely misunderstood as ppl tend to project a certain tone and meaning when ppl state things so matter of factly which they feel are not complimentary.

I would never expect tp meet a Thai woman who was capable of true unslefish love as I think it is near impossible to escape from the culture and values instilled in ppl from an early age.

Status and economics are a central component in any and all relationships with Thai women, especially when a farang is involved. That is not unique to Thailand as woman the world over tend to be preoccupied with such elements and will put love [true love] behind security and comfort.

[eagle]

Quote funnyguy

I would never expect tp meet a Thai woman who was capable of true unslefish love as I think it is near impossible to escape from the culture and values instilled in ppl from an early age.

So Thai women are unable to attain true love because of their cultural upbringing. OOoh obie won kenobus pluris pukis alotis.......

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Keep it up your headed for Journaistic Muslim terrorist nighthood

:shock:

[superskater]

I think a very small percentage of Thai women are prostitutes even though 80% of Thai women have little money. I would estimate that only about 200,000 out of 32 million women are in the P4P business and these women are certainly not indicative of any negative attributes in the larger female population of Thailand.

I agree with you 100%. At the same time, I'd like for someone to help these unfortunate women find a better life if they are willing and not totally corrupted individuals.

I think many foreign men agree with you completely. I certainly do.

[RocketPub]

i dint treat my husband anythings only him do treat me like a princess ..nice ha?

[eagle]

Those big mouths stereotype people who know only few things about Thailand and judged all Thai women in negative ways. You people are pathetic really. Hookers, whores, prostitutes are every where and every nationalities. Just name me one country that all women are angels.

Read all the comments again before make any post, OK? Specially read about what ?lobert?ve written.

And please don?t you tell me not to take it personally. It?s personal. I?m Thai woman and I proud of it. If you have problem with Thai women than go back to your country and be with your own people.

FUNNYMAN- SHUT UP

right on !!! your right they are pathetic !!!!!!