zeusbheld Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Personally, I have a psychological need gone haywire to scare horses... don't worry sir, no umbrella necessary--your stunning good looks are your best asset in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trocks69 Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 most of the poster here dont get it.. they seem to think that all gun owners have some sort of charles bronson mental problem and are completely tigger happy folks who go out on sunday drives to randomly off innocent or not so inocent people just to see what type of score we can tally up. almost all of my coworkers owns guns,most of my neighbors, all of my family members and the good majority of my friends. now out of all the people i have yet to know of one that has shot or killed anyone. nor has their kids. what is so hard to understand that you can own a gun and not have to kill with it. people own cars everyday and do kill with them.has any one seen how much damage a fork can do to a person. i have seen this never thought you could kill some one with a fork. much less a lot of other makeshift weapons i have seen used to kill with. forgot who said it but i believe this thread does have some sort of virulent std since most of the posters are not even americans and have absoutlely no say in my goverment, thank god for that. nor does it seem the even understand the history or basic rights granted by the founders of this country. although i think most americans seem to have forgotten this also.. so am leaving for the clinic and getting my super mega doses of penicillian std killer and wont return for fear of being reinfected by what ever is growning in here :twisted: gas chambers and hilter and i should know this ....aaaahh i work for one of the companys that built them,,,,duh,...not something am sure they are proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 No guns = less deaths ( very simple ) Many ways to kill a person , but without guns it makes it just a little more difficult . No problem when guns are in the hands of responsible human beings , but often they are not . I am so glad that guns are illegal in Australia , only have to worry about getting stabbed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 what is so hard to understand that you can own a gun and not have to kill with it. people own cars everyday and do kill with them.has any one seen how much damage a fork can do to a person. i have seen this never thought you could kill some one with a fork. much less a lot of other makeshift weapons i have seen used to kill with. speaking for myself only, and speaking specifically and only about handguns and assault rifles, or military-style weapons, what is hard to understand is why one feels a need to own one in the first place. i'm not talking about hobbyists here. in my experience as an american very few of the handgun owners i know are collectors, they all claimed to need them for 'protection.' just as the gun owners you know have never killed anyone, i know very few gun owners who have ever been crime victims, let alone victims of home invasion type crimes that the gun is intended to protect against. and many live in gated communities with security guards, go figure... forgot who said it but i believe this thread does have some sort of virulent std since most of the posters are not even americans and have absoutlely no say in my goverment, thank god for that. nor does it seem the even understand the history or basic rights granted by the founders of this country. although i think most americans seem to have forgotten this also.. although i think it is fair to say that those damned foreigners are allowed an opinion, even if it's wrong, and some (charisma man for example) know a lot more about the US constitution and its history than many (arguably most) americans. while this thread is um... a loaded topic, the careful observer will note that many people approach any forum topic by deciding what they believe, THEN looking for evidence to support it (even this seems to be optional, so i give up hope that people will look at evidence BEFORE forming opinions) and making shrill post after shrill post without much attempt to support their claims. that is just how internet forums work, and why it should be hard for any forum user who didn't arbitrarily stop taking his or her meds to get genuinely worked up about such 'debates.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 forgot who said it but i believe this thread does have some sort of virulent std since most of the posters are not even americans and have absoutlely no say in my goverment, thank god for that. nor does it seem the even understand the history or basic rights granted by the founders of this country. although i think most americans seem to have forgotten this also... Unfortunately mate, and I would not expect you to disagree, once your country decides to mess with other countries, then other countires become part of the equation. i'm sorry mate, but as long as your country has influence in my life, then my opinion counts. No, it does not. As zeus said, you are free to have an opinion and express it. But as the right to own a gun in the United States is a matter to be decided by citizens of the United States, your opinion "counts" for absolutely nothing. Zero. Talk about an arrogant "imperialist" attitude. Please note that YOUR country messes with other countries too. Does that give me the right to participate in deciding what laws your country will or will not have? Absolutely not. Nor does your opinion "count" for anything in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 most of the poster here dont get it.. they seem to think that all gun owners have some sort of charles bronson mental problem and are completely tigger happy folks who go out on sunday drives to randomly off innocent or not so inocent people just to see what type of score we can tally up.almost all of my coworkers owns guns,most of my neighbors, all of my family members and the good majority of my friends. now out of all the people i have yet to know of one that has shot or killed anyone. nor has their kids. what is so hard to understand that you can own a gun and not have to kill with it. people own cars everyday and do kill with them.has any one seen how much damage a fork can do to a person. i have seen this never thought you could kill some one with a fork. much less a lot of other makeshift weapons i have seen used to kill with. gas chambers and hilter and i should know this ....aaaahh i work for one of the companys that built them,,,,duh,...not something am sure they are proud of. nope i don't think that all gun owners in the US are triger happy psychos who go about on sunday shoot ups, i just feel the freely available nature of guns in the US makes this easier to acheive !! what i find hard to understand is why so many ppl feel the need to own guns and own so many god damm many of the things. i can (just about) understand the need for a weapon to protect urself, ur family and ur property (although dubious about how safer it actually makes U) however the sheer volume and type of weapon available in the US is IMO f**king scary !!! comparing using a fork to a gun as a means of killing someone is disingenious ... a fork (for me personally) is a means of conveying food to my mouth (or else all over the table) and it is designed as such .... a firearm is designed with the sole purpose of killing or injuring someone or something. not quite the same thing in my eyes. btw ... as regads ur rights under the US constitution to bear arms, my understanding is that this was written/ratified approximately 230 years ago and circumstances in the US have changed just a little since then. again my understanding is that ur forefathers recognised that this might happen and provisions have been made to enable the constitution to be amended ... in fact i do believe the constitution has been amended as recently as 1992 !!!! glad u finally made the connection with the gas chambers comment !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Unfortunately mate, and I would not expect you to disagree, once your country decides to mess with other countries, then other countires become part of the equation. i'm sorry mate, but as long as your country has influence in my life, then my opinion counts. ehhhhhhhhh ................ nope !!! bush, cheney and .....(i was about to say here the rest of the neo cons, but there's none left they've all f**ked off faster than rats off a sinking ship) don't give a f**k about the opinion of ppl in the US (unless they agree with the neo con ideology) why do ur think ur opinion is gonna have any effect on them !!! i mean if u could even get ur opinion to count for something on TF that might be a start .... might be i did say !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 ciaran wrote: what i find hard to understand is why so many ppl feel the need to own guns and own so many god damm many of the things. I think it gives people a rush and feeling of power. we be bad with big gun and most powerful. I can see maybe some live in a neighborhood where ya might even need one but I know animal rights peace protestor with guns and conservatives in peaceful neighborhoods just itchin for a reason to defend themselfs. A bit of giving into the paranoia for the adrenaline rush of holding the all powerful weapon. And if for no other reason because ya can :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 And then there's the Christian who prays to Jesus with the arsenal ready for when he returns. Shouldn't we reevaluate are sanity as a whole :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 i have a good idea how it feels. one of my class mates in my sophmore year killed his parents with their own gun one morning before he came to school.then he turned himself into his teacher. almost all of my coworkers owns guns,most of my neighbors, all of my family members and the good majority of my friends. now out of all the people i have yet to know of one that has shot or killed anyone. nor has their kids. And of course your lying will convince a lot of people that you are so bloody right. Did you also lye when you got your license to hold weapons??? :x :shock: interesting catch. not necessarily a lie... might be multiple personality disorder, parallel universes, etc.. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Wake up and READ Piant, you are an English teacher, aren't you? As I wrote, you are free, as we all are, to express your opinions. But your opinions count for nothing when it comes to deciding on the laws and basic rights of citizens of another country. There are only two ways for your opinions to "count." Either in an election, and you do not have the right to vote in someone else's country, so that's out and your opinion does not "count." Or by arguing so effectively that you can sway the opinions of people who DO have a vote. I'm on the same side of this issue as you are. I oppose unlimited and unrestricted gun ownership. But when you hector us about what our "basic rights" are or are not, and insisting your opinion "counts" because my country "messes" with other countries, you've completely lost me. As I said, our basic rights are defined and decided by our citizens. Not YOU. And your country "messes" with others too. The fact that your country does, doesn't give me any say in deciding what your laws and rights are within your own country. I don't give a damn what your opinion is on this issue, simply because of the way you express it. Blather away. In my country, your opinion counts for NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 so from all the posters:1. who owns a gun? no2. who hunts at least several times per year?no3. who has used a gun?yes4. who target shoots?sporadically5. who has served in the military?no6. who has been threatened by a gun?yes7. who has used a gun in cival defense?noThe time I used a gun in defense was during a break in during the middle of the night. I was living out in the forest, a remote location and no police woud have been there to help. would be interested in hearing more details of this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I oppose unlimited and unrestricted gun ownership.In my country, your opinion counts for NOTHING. Apparently, NEITHER does yours. Why are you under the impression that I'm trying to subvert your government's policies by arguing a point of view here (where my opinion counts just as much as yours)? You lot are freakin paranoid. here on tf it's a safe bet that nobody's opinion counts for much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardo Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 There, an ancient law says Welsh people can be shot with a bow and arrow inside the city walls and after midnight in Chester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_som_tam Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 1. who owns a gun? Used to but sold them years ago. carried firearms for years as part of my job. 2. who hunts at least several times per year? Never wanted to kill Bambi 3. who has used a gun? Used one for what purpose? Self defense? Yep 4. who target shoots? Have done much target shooting. 5. who has served in the military? Nope 6. who has been threatened by a gun? Yep... been there, seen it, done it, got the t-shirts to prove it. 7. who has used a gun in cival defense? Self defense or civil defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 There, an ancient law says Welsh people can be shot with a bow and arrow inside the city walls and after midnight in Chester. that law should apply in any place at any time !!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 so from all the posters:1. who owns a gun? nope 2. who hunts at least several times per year? ehh ... i guess fishing doesn't count !! 3. who has used a gun? nope 4. who target shoots?? nope 5. who has served in the military? in NI ?? even i'm not that f**king stupid !!! 6. who has been threatened by a gun? hmmm .... only by policemen and soldiers and 1 or 2 guys who reckoned they had access to guns !!! 7. who has used a gun in cival defense? nope I own guns, both hand and long, hunt yearly, target shoot with hand guns, eat what I shoot, have defended myself with a gun, never threatened, no military service.The time I used a gun in defense was during a break in during the middle of the night. I was living out in the forest, a remote location and no police woud have been there to help. and the point of this survey is what exactly ?? don't i at least get a f**king prize or something !!!! u've just wasted 5 mins of my life !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 3. who has used a gun? Used one for what purpose? Self defense? Yep at work or as a private citizen? 6. who has been threatened by a gun?Yep... been there, seen it, done it, got the t-shirts to prove it. no fair!!!! :cry: where are my ******* t-shirts!!! :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Blather away. In my country, your opinion counts for NOTHING. influence ; the power of persons or things to produce effects on others , especially by invisible or indirect means . His opinion could unknowingly save even just one life from being taken away from the gun . Voting isnt the only thing that matters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Every killed anyone? *think Dirty Harry voice. actually, i did. but not with a gun, with my apartment keys. it was an accident. no jury would convict me. this survey thing is an interesting idea; gives an idea of what the (rather shrill) participants' actual life experience is as related to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardo Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 give the man city players guns....if they shoot they would be sure to miss anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Every killed anyone? *think Dirty Harry voice. actually, i did. but not with a gun, with my apartment keys. it was an accident. no jury would convict me. this survey thing is an interesting idea; gives an idea of what the (rather shrill) participants' actual life experience is as related to the topic. An apartment key... wowzer...!!! Was the key hole a knife sharpener or was it really the butler with the candle stick? Details... simple. i gave the crazy, paranoid old downstairs neighbor a heart attack by coming home drunk, thinking i was at the correct apartment, and trying to open her door with my key.. i made several attempts, cursing under my breath when it didn't work, before i figured out that i had to go up one more step. (oh, and my rather "shrill" past...as in high-pitched?) what happens in vegas, stays in vegas, baby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 simple. i gave the crazy, paranoid old downstairs neighbor a heart attack by coming home drunk, thinking i was at the correct apartment, and trying to open her door with my key.. i made several attempts, cursing under my breath when it didn't work, before i figured out that i had to go up one more step. You know you're going to hell for making me laugh over some poor old lady's death don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 simple. i gave the crazy, paranoid old downstairs neighbor a heart attack by coming home drunk, thinking i was at the correct apartment, and trying to open her door with my key.. i made several attempts, cursing under my breath when it didn't work, before i figured out that i had to go up one more step. You know you're going to hell for making me laugh over some poor old lady's death don't you? no, i'm going to hell for offing the old bag, you're going for laughing about it. see ya there. don't forget, you just earned an EXPRESS PASS :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trocks69 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Reflecting on my knee-jerk reaction to the thought of millions of untrained mums, grans and Trocks running around shopping malls armed and dangerous, i dont run around shopping malls i walk since i have a gun well not just any gun but a metal storm gun..yea grandma try to get that last pair of on sale levis from me next time. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TT1_w2z3C0I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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