The word stuff

[bobbyboy112003]

Hi guys,

Sometimes I read a journal or forum and I notice that many Thai's say things like:

"I put many stuffs in there" or "because it was my stuffs"

Stuff is already plural:

"I put my stuff in there" and "because it was my stuff"

There are other ways of saying the the word stuff and adding an s to it (stuffs), but I found that these examples that I have put are the most common.

So, stick with saying "stuff" because you probably are not going to need to use "stuffs" very often.

Hope this helps!

Bobby

[babyoiy]

Khob khun kaa Bobby !! its helped.

U can correct me any time when i says anything wrong ... hehe I likes it.

[bobbyboy112003]

Khob khun kaa Bobby !! its helped.

U can correct me any time when i says anything wrong ... hehe I likes it.

Glad to help Baby krup

Baby, although you are perfect, I can help with your English:

"U can correct me any time when i says anything wrong ... hehe I likes it."

You can correct me anytime I SAY anything wrong...hehe I LIKE it

Yin dee Baby krup, my pleasure

[SpeedTriple]

Cherry,

For present tense:

I say ---- we say

You Say ---- you say

He says --- they say

So

I say we go to the beach today

He says we go to the beach today

Past tense

I said ---- we said

you said ---- you said

he said ---- they said

Yesterday I said we go to the beach

I don't think there is any one rule for how to do this with English verbs, but if you have specific words, post them here, many people will help

Rich.

[SpeedTriple]

Cherry,

Perhaps you could be a little more specific.

It's difficult for me to guess exactly what you're asking when you say

"Can you help me with the word that begins with 'some' " etc.

Someone, anyone, everyone are all singular so are followed by 'says' in the present tense.

Everyone says.... but people say... people is plural.

Hope I have managed to answer your question this time

Rich.

[bobbyboy112003]

Oh yes, the tricky English language

Well Cherry krup, i'm not sure anyone can explain English the way that you explain Thai ...although our friend SpeedTriple did a very good job!

I like to explain things a bit differently because sometimes the "texbook" way confuses ppl (me included lol) 8)

Anyone who learns English will realize that it has many exceptions to its very own rules (too many in my opinion!), but we have no choice. So, I try to give basic themes or guidelines instead of the textbook stuff. Like you said Cherry krup, you can look that stuff up yourself.

Here's my take on your question:

Some(one)

Any(one)

Every(one)

Some(thing)

hmm....seems that we have a theme here? Every(thing) that's in parentheses, is SINGULAR!

This is a quick guidline to use Cherry krup.

Unfortunetely, what SpeedTriple wrote about the "He says" "They say" stuff, is true and very difficult. Unlike Thai, we in English have those damn tenses that change all the time, it's a matter of practice and study :cry:

But, maybe there is some good news?? Let's see:

He (says)...he (buys)...he (cries)...he (dies)

All the words in parentheses, are different words, but the same tense.

Once you understand the tenses for the pronouns (I, he, she, it, we, they, them...etc), almost all of the words that you use will be the same tense

But, let's look at something that I said already shall we?

"All the words in parentheses, are different words, but the same tense."

Let's look at the verb agreement here:

ALL the words=they....why? Because we know the verbs to use with they from our study of English, right?

Once you know this, everything else really doesn't matter Cherry.

You have to know who or what you are talking about: in this case (all the words), which we know equals "they", so we use the verb tense "are" instead of "is"....there are exceptions to this like (them and those), but we don't care about that right now.

"Someone told Bobby that he is very handsome"

Who or what are we talking about?

Some (one)...we know this is a person (one), like Cherry or SpeedTriple or Admin.

Well because we are all experts now with English tenses , let's break it down:

Some (one).....who??

Cherry TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

SpeedTriple TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

Admin TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

Boy, this is getting so easy now Cherry isn't it? lol

Other than the little trick of putting half of the word in Parentheses "Some (one)", we unfortunetely have to remember the tenses Cherry.

"Everybody" is a tricky one because you tend to think it's plural, right?

Just put it in parentheses and see!

Every (body)= one body ...so everyone IS happy (not plural). There is only one body there (can be a group of people, but it is still a "body" of people).

Gee, let me stop now or I will confuse you more lol

I hope that you and other Thai speakers can pick up even just a little bit of help from what myself and SpeedTriple have written? If not, we will try again, ok

Bobby

[CiaranM]

Oh yes, the tricky English language

Well Cherry krup, i'm not sure anyone can explain English the way that you explain Thai ...although our friend SpeedTriple did a very good job!

I like to explain things a bit differently because sometimes the "texbook" way confuses ppl (me included lol) 8)

Anyone who learns English will realize that it has many exceptions to its very own rules (too many in my opinion!), but we have no choice. So, I try to give basic themes or guidelines instead of the textbook stuff. Like you said Cherry krup, you can look that stuff up yourself.

Here's my take on your question:

Some(one)

Any(one)

Every(one)

Some(thing)

hmm....seems that we have a theme here? Every(thing) that's in parentheses, is SINGULAR!

This is a quick guidline to use Cherry krup.

Unfortunetely, what SpeedTriple wrote about the "He says" "They say" stuff, is true and very difficult. Unlike Thai, we in English have those damn tenses that change all the time, it's a matter of practice and study :cry:

But, maybe there is some good news?? Let's see:

He (says)...he (buys)...he (cries)...he (dies)

All the words in parentheses, are different words, but the same tense.

Once you understand the tenses for the pronouns (I, he, she, it, we, they, them...etc), almost all of the words that you use will be the same tense

But, let's look at something that I said already shall we?

"All the words in parentheses, are different words, but the same tense."

Let's look at the verb agreement here:

ALL the words=they....why? Because we know the verbs to use with they from our study of English, right?

Once you know this, everything else really doesn't matter Cherry.

You have to know who or what you are talking about: in this case (all the words), which we know equals "they", so we use the verb tense "are" instead of "is"....there are exceptions to this like (them and those), but we don't care about that right now.

"Someone told Bobby that he is very handsome"

Who or what are we talking about?

Some (one)...we know this is a person (one), like Cherry or SpeedTriple or Admin.

Well because we are all experts now with English tenses , let's break it down:

Some (one).....who??

Cherry TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

SpeedTriple TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

Admin TOLD Bobby that he is very handsome

Boy, this is getting so easy now Cherry isn't it? lol

Other than the little trick of putting half of the word in Parentheses "Some (one)", we unfortunetely have to remember the tenses Cherry.

"Everybody" is a tricky one because you tend to think it's plural, right?

Just put it in parentheses and see!

Every (body)= one body ...so everyone IS happy (not plural). There is only one body there (can be a group of people, but it is still a "body" of people).

Gee, let me stop now or I will confuse you more lol

I hope that you and other Thai speakers can pick up even just a little bit of help from what myself and SpeedTriple have written? If not, we will try again, ok

Bobby

bloody hell Bobby u've even managed to confuse me now ... by the way i wouldn't believe anything Cherry, Speedtriple or Admin tell U .... 555555

[bobbyboy112003]

"bloody hell Bobby u've even managed to confuse me now ... by the way i wouldn't believe anything Cherry, Speedtriple or Admin tell U .... 555555"

CiaranM,

hahahahaha....you made me have to run to the bathroom :shock: hahahaha

Can't stop laughing, trying, but just can't hahahaha

":Ciaran! Ciaran! Ciaran! 5555555!~

(sorry moderators! this is a personal attack message to Ciaran -i fear you not, brothers! )"

Hey Cherry krup,

CiaranM has a point. If I can confuse a native English speaker, maybe my explainations should be feared? lol 8)

[Anny]

Ummm I wanna know how to use "Have, Has, Had / Do , Does , Did ...Im always confuse when i start to ask you about something like

Have you taken your shower?

Did you take a shower?

So Which word Have Or Did should I use in this situation or I can use it both? I can feel sometime i use it wrong lol

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

[eagle]

Ummm I wanna know how to use "Have, Has, Had / Do , Does , Did ...Im always confuse when i start to ask you about something like

Have you taken your shower?

Did you take a shower?

So Which word Have Or Did should I use in this situation or I can use it both? I can feel sometime i use it wrong lol

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

" to learn and with a little help I think you will "do" well !! It "does" help to have a teacher I hope you can find one, I "did" and it really helps

[SpeedTriple]

Ummm I wanna know how to use "Have, Has, Had / Do , Does , Did ...Im always confuse when i start to ask you about something like

Have you taken your shower?

Did you take a shower?

So Which word Have Or Did should I use in this situation or I can use it both? I can feel sometime i use it wrong lol

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

Anny you can use both in that situation.

Have you taken a shower?

Did you take a shower?

Have you had a shower?

Did you have a shower?

Have you done your homework?

Did you do your homework?

Have you washed the car?

Did you wash the car?

All are correct and all mean basically the same thing.

It is a tricky part of English, many different ways to say the same thing.

Hope this helps a bit

Rich.

[bobbyboy112003]

Ummm I wanna know how to use "Have, Has, Had / Do , Does , Did ...Im always confuse when i start to ask you about something like

Have you taken your shower?

Did you take a shower?

So Which word Have Or Did should I use in this situation or I can use it both? I can feel sometime i use it wrong lol

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

Have (present)...

I HAVE a car

We HAVE a car

You HAVE a question

Let's make "have" passed tense shall we?

I have takEN the car

We have takEN the car

You have askED a question

What did we notice here? When we made "have" passed tense, we took the verb that we used in the sentence and changed it somehow.

I have takEN the car.....we changed the verb "to take" to tak(en)

We have takEN the car...we changed the verb "to take" to tak(en)

You have askED a question...we changed the verb "to ask" to ask(ed)

Let's take your question Anisa:

Have you taken your shower? Have you tak(en) your shower...you said it correctly...VERY GOOD!!!!

Now with the word "had"....

Had is already a word in the past, so remember to change the verb, ok?

I had takEN the car

We had takEN the car

You had askED a question

Something in the sentence must tell the person that it is past, present or future...English changes the verb(not always, but that's another lesson LOL). English is extremely difficult to learn for so many krup. Like Rich said..."It is a tricky part of English, many different ways to say the same thing."

I just showed you a little trick Anisa, but believe me, there are so many exceptions to the rules of English....it can drive you bah mak mak :shock:

But, you are doing very very well krup and I say this to all the native Thai's that read this now:

PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID TO PRACTICE ENGLISH....there are many qualified people on TF that are more than happy to help you ...even some teachers, like Khun Lung

LET'S PRACTICE ENGLISH!

[bobbyboy112003]

jon0108 wrote:

"The past tense of the verb "have" in your declarative sentences above would be:

I HAD a car

We HAD a car

You HAD a question

The declaratives you wrote following that are all examples of the present perfect tense of the verb "take."

Thank you for pointing that out Jon

[bobbyboy112003]

Terminology is an advantage, not a necessity.

You know Misty krup, I try to stay away from terminology a liitle bit. I find that if I can explain something in a different way, it seems to help ppl more

Although I have the advantage of terminology, I very rarely use it LOL

Language can be fun, just depends how we look at it

Thank you ajarn Misty.

[zeusbheld]

i agree with misty. the terms are for understanding how a language works, the language is not there to illustrate the terms. the terms came after, based on how the language evolves.

that attitude is not what causes so many americans to speak and write english so poorly, i suspect the least-common-denominator approach of the public school system has something to do with it.

solution to that and a lot of other problems? pay teachers competitively, and hire carefully, for a start.

[bobbyboy112003]

Gee, i hope we aren't forgetting or worse yet, confusing poor Anny?

Anny, are we helping you at all :roll:

If not, between all of us, we can approach your question another way, ok?

[zeusbheld]

ZeusB: i respectfully but vigorously disagree. If there is no structure (an integral part of which is terminology) for how a language is taught, the learner has no way of organizing it in his/her mind. If one knows that something works a certain way in one instance, then he/she may be able to reason his/her way through a similar instance. If not . . .

I believe that the "least-common-denominator approach," as you put it is a convenient excuse for the lack of emphasis on terminology (and structure). I'm in complete agreement with your solution.

Misty: Thank you for elucidating. I respect your position.

Thanks for the comment. Elizabethan is an easier form to use, but there's just something about Petrarchan sonnets . . . !

ANNY: SKIP THIS!

apologies in advance if this is longer than a4...

fair enough, but people manage to teach and learn things like visual art, which is a form of communication, without a fixed terminology. it involves learning about structure and context through experience and example, the terminology is largely pretentious bullshit.

also, i think we have to distinguish between the teaching of english to native speakers and teaching languages to non-native speakers. native speakers of english would DEFINITELY benefit from a LOT more emphasis on structure (which involves learning terminology, etc.)

learning a foreign language, as an american, usually involves too much emphasis on structure and terminology and not enough on practical communication. i had 5 years of french through high school, 2 years of spanish in college, admittedly i didnt give a **** but that much schoolwork with an 90+ average and i'm completely useless in both languages. that to me suggests it is more than my laziness that is at fault.

however, all of that's more of a philosophical point. to teach anything you need to teach a structure unlike the "laws" of painting, the laws of a language are pretty standardized, and should be taught as such, we're in agreement there.

the philosophical point is important only in that terminology is one tool toward the aim of communicating effectively. in my french classes in high school, for example, terminology and structure seemed to be the goal, i think this is why students were bored to near-suicide. learning the terminology and structure is a means not an end. communicatng is the ultimate goal.

[bobbyboy112003]

Stuffs stuffs Stuffs stuffs stuffs STUFFS....so what?? Goyyi...I need a drink T_T

Coming right up Princess Mel ...the usual?

Goyyi

[Anny]

Ummm I wanna know how to use "Have, Has, Had / Do , Does , Did ...Im always confuse when i start to ask you about something like

Have you taken your shower?

Did you take a shower?

So Which word Have Or Did should I use in this situation or I can use it both? I can feel sometime i use it wrong lol

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

Anny you can use both in that situation.

Have you taken a shower?

Did you take a shower?

Have you had a shower?

Did you have a shower?

Have you done your homework?

Did you do your homework?

Have you washed the car?

Did you wash the car?

All are correct and all mean basically the same thing.

It is a tricky part of English, many different ways to say the same thing.

Hope this helps a bit

Rich.

Wow Thanks for your help ka Rich Now I can remember and use it correct

Did you eat anything yet? I can cook for you? lol

I have taken taxi to escudo met Carl , Deester & Ralf today.

I was dancing a lot with them & was wearing sexy clothes duay lol

Did I use it right?

[Anny]

Gee, i hope we aren't forgetting or worse yet, confusing poor Anny?

Anny, are we helping you at all :roll:

If not, between all of us, we can approach your question another way, ok?

Hahaha not confusing about what you taught me because I had a good teacher and I m very happy that ppls here tried to help me with my english... Well Zeus , Misty , john0108 Thanks for your help also ka I don't understand what you guys argue about but trying to skipping now lol

I have some lollypop. What is your flavor ? lol :roll:

[Anny]

How to speak short in english for non native english? Sometime I wanna explain something to my friend but I use to speak long in english instead... so take me sometime to make my friend understand me coz I dont' know how to use short word and easy way to explain...

Do you have any trick to tell me or a way to make my english get better...

Thanks

Anisa :twisted:

[SpeedTriple]

Wow Thanks for your help ka Rich Now I can remember and use it correctLY

Did you eat anything yet? I can cook for you? lol

Yang mai tan krab

I have taken taxi to escudo met Carl , Deester & Ralf today.

I TOOK a taxi to escudo... would be better, because it happened in the past.

I took is the past tense for I take.

I was dancing a lot with them & was wearing sexy clothes duay lol

That's great

Slightly better would be

I danced with them a lot and was wearing sexy clothes.

But what you said is very good.

[bobbyboy112003]

Hmm...how come i am the only one who doesn't understand what "short" means here? Damn, i have to read more...and maybe stop rambling on and on :roll:

Um, Anisa krup...as soon as Miss Misty clarifies what short means, i'll do my best to help you na!

Goyyi

[bobbyboy112003]

Hmm...how come i am the only one who doesn't understand what "short" means here? Damn, i have to read more...and maybe stop rambling on and on :roll:

Um, Anisa krup...as soon as Miss Misty clarifies what short means, i'll do my best to help you na!

Goyyi

Miss Misty, huh, Mr. Bobby?

u somehow reminded me of my years in convent school. :?

Convent school? Ah, good thing i use clean language then

GOYYI (means man of clean language)

[bobbyboy112003]

Hmm...how come i am the only one who doesn't understand what "short" means here? Damn, i have to read more...and maybe stop rambling on and on :roll:

Um, Anisa krup...as soon as Miss Misty clarifies what short means, i'll do my best to help you na!

Goyyi

Miss Misty, huh, Mr. Bobby?

u somehow reminded me of my years in convent school. :?

Convent school? Ah, good thing i use clean language then

GOYYI (means man of clean language)

yeah.. it's in thailand but we call our female teachers 'miss' and male 'master'. how pretentious. :?

but God is the God or mercy. after all those years i didn't turn into a nun. :twisted:

Should be Master and Mistress i guess :shock:

Butcha turned out just fine Misty krup