Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 i dont condone murder but in some instances i dont exactly feel much sympathy for the victims of it Too late and too bad. In your earlier post you condoned murder. So rather than take your views in their entirety, we're just going to take the part we don't like and condemn you for it, just like you do with others. You condoned murder. That makes you no better than a murderer yourself. Which means you should be in prison, that's where you belong. And once they lock you up, they should throw away the key. You're as good as a murderer AC. How does it feel to have your views and life distorted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I didn't read through all 3 pages of posts...but i assume everybody is appropriately disgusted....so i'll take a different angle.....if asians, or middle easterners had written a similarily tasteless song about 911...it would have been cause enough for at least one of the Bushes to invade...in other words your friendly neighbourhood american would have sold his mother to buy a gun and go to war over it...(if the roles were reversed).....so how is it even possible for them to air that sort of thing...you would think they would be more sensitive after the 911 tragedy....comments? Who do you mean by they? There are 275 million people in America. You think we don't have our share of fools, racists and idiots? I'm sure you're country does. There has been a major public outcry over this broadcast in America and the dj's have been suspended and an apology issued by the station. So, most Americans, or "THEY", are sensitive about this stuff. And it didn't take 911 to make them that way. And as your friendly neighborhood American, I wouldn't sell my mother or pick up a gun. I would sell your mother, however. She deserves it for having had you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I have visited NYC many times myself and as you know the great problem in speaking about the USA is that it is a truly vast country with many many different faces. While I would still defer to many many issues with a native of any country I feel a bit less foreign when it comes to the USA than most places. Still I am not an american and dont live there so I would not claim to be an expert either. Generally I agree that it is best to opt for the native perspective but not always. Sometimes you need to step back to see more clearly.I dare say there are many cases where an outside eye on ithings Irish would be keener or more perceptive? Yes, which is why I'm not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion or that it has no value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 sorry loburt...didn't mean to america bash..i hate that sh*t....i just wonder when all people of the world are goona stop being so damn stupid...american, asian, middle eastern...what ever.....why can't we all just get along! ps...i am canadian!...don't say anything...i've heard them all I don't have one bad thing to say about Canadians. I'm sick of the stupidity also. You're apology is accepted. I also apologize for getting a little hot. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 OK Im not funny but I laughed was I alone? yep, but more importantly how is the new tactic in attracting thai girls paying off ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I didn't call you that name, Celtic Cola did! But you can complain to the OTHER moderators if you like. They're not afraid to slap me around when I deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 In all fairness has anyone actually heard the song?Hey what if it was a nice tune and like most pop you didnt bother with the lyrics? It was done to the melody of "We Are The World." Drek if there ever was drek. You hum that around me and I'll slap you around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 In all fairness has anyone actually heard the song?Hey what if it was a nice tune and like most pop you didnt bother with the lyrics? It was done to the melody of "We Are The World." Drek if there ever was drek. You hum that around me and I'll slap you around. excuse me any spanking to be done around here is Smartass spanking Yellowsubmarine and i'm filming it ... but i'm sure as hell not going to film Loburt spanking Celticcola. no offence guys, but it just doesn't have the same appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 you just don't know what's really sexy, Ciaran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Stop it, Ciaran! You're giving me a boner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 sorry in advance. way too long. i tried to break it into sections. Well considering your making a habit of telling people that they dont know what they are taking about and so should in effect shut upThis is indeed a bit rich. fair enough! I dont care where you live in the US it makes you no less or more a good source of info on any amount of subjects that pertain to the life or culture in the US. that much is relevant except for the fact that i know personally about 3 black panthers. therefore in that particular case i think i'm qualified to say you guys are talking nonsense and taking things out of context. These Black panthers were just more shitheads who like so many of their ilk do great diservice to the black people of America. No better than the KKK maybe worse? this is just wrong and i would imagine most of what you have read was propaganda, but i'm too lazy to care that much about arguing the merits of that particular organization. the kkk are infamous for a reason, they have a lot more murders under their belt than the panthers or the nation of islam and maybe even more than the mafia. so no, that's a gross exaggeration. however, the nation of islam in some ways (at least ideologically) is as bad as the kkk. in fact (TRUE STORY) farrakhan met with david dukes once... they found they agreed on a LOT of things. and the black israelites are even creepier. As for race relations in the US they are a disaster and any amount of surveys and stats will point to this state of affairs and offer ample evidence of the fallacy of a so called multi cultural society and the evitable divisions and injustices done to the weakest in society. we are in agreement there, that's for sure. That is not to justfy what I saw on screen but there was a lot more to this than ppl would have been so easily led to believe, and as a consideration this guy Rodney King was NOT some innocent black just attacked for no reason for nothing. [Even though still wrong for exessive force to be used]. right on both counts, but nobody that i know of ever claimed king was attacked for no reason. he was not resisting, just being beaten for no reason. and i think that is the surface cause of the riots and the roots are deeper (and in some cases maybe uglier) but that was always what ppl, including normal, non-rioting were pissed off about. eyewitness narrative sidebar although i have seen 5 nyc cops beat a black high school kid in the middle of 6th avenue. they had arrested him because a) he had a joint, and they beat him after they cuffed him because when one of the cops shoved him, he pushed back with his shoulder. they were literally in the middle of 6th avenue. there was very little traffice coz it was about 4 am. his friends were standing on the curb next to us, and were saying "why are you doing this?" "you dont need to do this" there were about 6 of them, all high school kids, none of them thuglife types. a couple of them took a step off the curb and one of the cops pulled his glock pointed it at all of us watching from the curb, fanning back and forth across us, saying "take another step! take another motherfucking step!" now this is not representative of nyc cops, as i've also seen kids smoking a blunt and cops come up to tell them to put it out, but it is something that happens and it does show the complexity of the situation. there have been numerous such cases in new york city in the ten years i have been here. the one i saw didnt even make the papers. end narrative sidebar More disgusting wa the news footage that showed totally innocent white people being savagely attacked by maruading groups of black men draging people put of their vehicles and beating them to death [in some cases] and behaving like animals. Dumb ones at that. the problem is that the situation was a lot more complex and there actually were poor people in general rioting. the neighborhoods in question are mostly black and mexican but there are white ppl living there and some were rioting too. another thing you have to remember about these particular riots is that south-central and east LA are deep gangsta country, crips, bloods, etc. they no doubt played a role in the riots, and some of these bastards are about as evil as they come. The problems for black people in the usa will not be solved by anyone but themselves. possibly but white ppl need to know when to keep out of it. Of course white people have a part to play but the time of postive discrimination should be over now. should be but isnt. this is one area where my actually living here in new york for the last ten years is extremely relevant and you guys dont know what your'e talking about. The only state sanctioned rassicim in the US seems to be against white people who are routinely judged by the color of their skin and cultutal background. bullshit. that doesnt happen in any significant way. i can say this as a white male who has a) been on hundreds of job interviews in the US and been arrested and jailed in the US (before any of y'all get on my case for my life of crime, it was driving while intoxicated). i think the laws and the system mostly are not the problem, i think it's individuals and their beliefs. and the fact that a lot of city cops are rednecks from the burbs. i dont think it's a matter of policy. The most rasict people I have ever encountered anywere were black americans but the most interesting and decent people I met in the US were also black americans so I dont for a minute judge black people as being racist on the basis of a minority of ignorant hotheaded racists . this is an important thing to keep in mind. what offended me was you guys talking about the la riots like it was "black people". it was a small minority of mostly black people in a mostly black neighborhood which happened to be one of the the poorest, most notoriously violent and crime ridden neightborhoods in the united states. There will always be issues of race but there are enough laws and opportunities for people of any race in the US for people to be judged on their abilities and character alone. the laws are not a problem, but i have worked extensively at investment banks and the best jobs are filled through the 'old boy network'. and while ivy league schools and schools like wharton open doors for their graduates, and anyone with ability can get in to these schools, rich knuckeheads whose daddies went there are given preferntial treatment in admissions. i dont know that this can or should be legislated. so my response in short is: the laws are improved, people's attitudes have a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 somehow i get the feeling that a lot of you guys disagreeing with me would not feel the same if this was a White power movement thats founding members advocated raping black or any other race of women, but its a free world (so they say) and if you wanna speak up for guys like this then thats your perogative. well if you made sweeping generalizations that i felt were distortions then i would. like i said in another post i actually KNOW 3 ex panthers, (well, two, one died). and i havent asked them about that particular quote but besides suspecting it's taken out of context, i can say with some confidence that the black panthers did not have the rape of white women as a plank in their platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 yes there is a deep seated resentment between blacks and Koreans in the USA, and it boils down to one thing really - jealousy ! GROSSLY oversimplified, could almost be interpreted as racist, but i assume it's more a matter of you just dont know all of what's going on. there is some truth in what you say but i live in new york surrounded by korean delis, these delis exst in the the poor neighborhoods, and the korean deli owners' racism is as much of the problem as anything. i have seen it more often than not if i go into a deli especially in brooklyn dressed like a slob, and a black dude goes in there in a suit, they will harass the black guy if he stays in there too long without buying anything. having ppl assume you are there to rip them off without knowing anything about you can contribute maybe just a little bit to mutual antagonism dont you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 One thing I would like to say as far as Rodney King is concerned: the police went way too far in what they did to him, but Rodney King did a helluva lot to bring that beating on himself. You take cops on a high-speed chase through city streets (during which they could easily crash and get killed) and I guarantee that when they get out of that patrol car they will be some angry pissed off people. Furthermore, if the tape is viewed in its entirety, King does lunge at them before they've got him down on the ground. You make a move towards a cop, you are going to pay the price. Their lives are on the line, they're scared too, and they will come back at you with full force. Having said all that, we still hold cops to a high standard, (as we should) and once they had King subdued, any beating after that was morally wrong and illegal. this is a good point, and i believe if i were the drugged up car chase guy instead of rodney king i'd have gotten the same beat-down, coz this is spot on. in fact when i got arrested for driving while intoxicated i amost got the **** beat out of me by the cops coz they found the world's tiniest joint in my pocket, fortunately in the four cop cars they felt they needed to pull me over was one state trooper and i was the most cooperative hillbilly you ever did see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I dare say there are many cases where an outside eye on ithings Irish would be keener or more perceptive? i definitely agree with this in principle but not in this particular instance, especially in regard to the black panthers as an organization. like i said i know some of these people and my ex girlfriend interviewed several of them for a documentary she made on activist yuri kochiyama. it's a whole lot more complicated than you guys make it out to be. sorry about the dismissive tone of my previous post. i should wait until i'm less annoyed to write my nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I didn't read through all 3 pages of posts...but i assume everybody is appropriately disgusted....so i'll take a different angle.....if asians, or middle easterners had written a similarily tasteless song about 911...it would have been cause enough for at least one of the Bushes to invade...in other words your friendly neighbourhood american would have sold his mother to buy a gun and go to war over it...(if the roles were reversed).....so how is it even possible for them to air that sort of thing...you would think they would be more sensitive after the 911 tragedy....comments? Who do you mean by they? There are 275 million people in America. You think we don't have our share of fools, racists and idiots? I'm sure you're country does. nah he's from canadia, the only problem they have is the weather. and quebec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I didn't call you that name, Celtic Cola did!But you can complain to the OTHER moderators if you like. They're not afraid to slap me around when I deserve it. or even just for sport, but usually i bill him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraZ Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 wow !! a moderator flooding the forum !! You should use the EDIT button instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 and zeus, just because i dont live in the USA does not mean i cannot give my opinion on what goes on there, what i'm giving is exactly what i said "my opinion", or now that you've risen to the dizzy heights of a TF moderator are you suggesting that nobody can give an opinion unless they actually happen to live in the place that they are opinionating about ! of course not, i'm suggesting that if you give a glib and distorted opinion of the situation that i'm standing in the middle of, i'm gonna say "hey andy, you're full of ****! you blew this one!" see other (novel-length) posts in this thread. has nothing to do with being a moderator, and if being a moderator interferes with being an opinionated prick i'll gladly resign as moderator. if thats the case then will you please refrain in future from giving opinions about the English Premier League or any other halfway decent Football for that matter and leave it up to people like myself who actually live somewhere that the level of Football is Slightly higher than that of a Sunday Morning pub team. in fact you might wanna consider resigning as the Sports moderator as your only qualified to opinonate on USA sport and quite frankly most of the rest of the world couldnt give a damn about American sport. LOL! good one. actually i think that better qualifies me as a moderator there, since i dont get involved so much in the threads .... although china are quite obsessed with the nba... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubkordaikrab Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Is this the forum for hot girls and boys ? or is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Will someone direct him to the hot boys and girls forum section, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 andy: that's absolutely true about nice people who have done evil things, however, my point was that former panthers would know more about what the panther's platform was, and while they advocated meeting violence with violence, and i didnt ask them specifically about raping white women, either they're all telling the same lie or what you said about them is glib and distorted. its not about nice it's about what they believe and believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabyte Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I didn't read through all 3 pages of posts...but i assume everybody is appropriately disgusted....so i'll take a different angle.....if asians, or middle easterners had written a similarily tasteless song about 911...it would have been cause enough for at least one of the Bushes to invade...in other words your friendly neighbourhood american would have sold his mother to buy a gun and go to war over it...(if the roles were reversed).....so how is it even possible for them to air that sort of thing...you would think they would be more sensitive after the 911 tragedy....comments? Who do you mean by they? There are 275 million people in America. You think we don't have our share of fools, racists and idiots? I'm sure you're country does. nah he's from canadia, the only problem they have is the weather. and quebec. Quite not true... It's Quebec that has a problem with the rest of Canada... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 i dont condone murder but in some instances i dont exactly feel much sympathy for the victims of it Too late and too bad. In your earlier post you condoned murder. So rather than take your views in their entirety, we're just going to take the part we don't like and condemn you for it, just like you do with others. You condoned murder. That makes you no better than a murderer yourself. Which means you should be in prison, that's where you belong. And once they lock you up, they should throw away the key. You're as good as a murderer AC. How does it feel to have your views and life distorted? gosh, dont know how i'll sleep at night now, guess i'll just have to double up the dose of valium the doctor gave me. your really quite funny at times loburt, only thing is maybe you dont realise that what your saying is sometimes so ridiculous as to be laughable. if you want me to condone murder i will do, if someone was to call me up and tell me they had Robert Mugabe at gunpoint and they was not too sure as to if they should pull the trigger i'd say yea, go ahead and blow the dirty no good piece of shits brains out, i'd do the same if it was Ossama Bin Laden, and I would have done the same if it was Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot. and before you point it out, yes of course malcolm x was not in the same league of evilness as these guys, but given half a chance i'm pretty sure he would have given it a fair go to match some of their deads. You see, Andy, the problem with the views you frequently express, is that judging you from what you write, I don't think you'd stop with people like Hitler or Pol Pot. I don't think many people in this world would be comfortable having you on their jury. After all, you've already a expressed a willingness to support the murder of someone you know just "a bit" about. My post was intended to be laughable on a certain level and show you just how ridiculous your earlier post was. But I know it's hard for you to look back and see that with your blinders on. I think many members who read your views on most subjects don't come away with many chuckles, or any respect, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 A whole lotta shaken going on.IM ALL SHOOK UP OH OH OH elvis.... has TRULY left the building.... abandon ye all hope who enter here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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