robbie36 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Only to keep it fair.... Who should be the next PM.... Samak has won the election but who cares? We can have a coup? Ban the party? Or simply negate half their candidates? Or we can prevaricate for ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 i like to see k. aphisit gets a chance to be our pm. so, there would be no more "doubt" if he could be our good pm or not. let him prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I think they are too old too PM the younger girls don;t you think :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 .... before sir rob is going to complain that thai people dont care much about politics (again) anyone else besides me has ever noticed that for some reason people in here(tf) seem to be interested in talking/discussing about politics but not thai politic? might be... 1. they dont know much about our politic .... or 2. they simply dont care about our politic.... or 3. they are bored talking about our politic.... or might be the language that causes them the difficulty to follow our politic .... reading from bbc, cnn, ap or reuters are not the same as reading mathicon or thairat / or watching news on thai telly. its funny (always something to laugh or laugh at) to me when the reporters get to interview those politicians you know .... yesterday, if anyone watched news on thai telly - you would get to see "k.samak" & "k. aphisit" facing each other for the first time after the election. anyway, i like "choowit" the most when it comes to facing the press... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted January 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I do think it is slightly weird that a 'next US President' thread should get 27 votes while a 'next Thai PM' thread should get 4. Thai politics is definitely more colorful (if more depressing) and more relevant than US politics to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2508 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sonthi maybe. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm according to the mathichon : all of those learders from various parties who ally with ppp have come to an agreement that k. samak isn't qualified - due to the lack of popularity and being easily pissed, not easily to be controlled... now me wonders (always) : who is the one who came up with getting k. samak to be the ppp's leader in the first place? http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Khun Banharn lives in hope but really he is well past it. However, given the way this ongoing drama is unfolding even he has a chance. Thai politics - never a dull moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Khun Banharn lives in hope but really he is well past it. However, given the way this ongoing drama is unfolding even he has a chance. Thai politics - never a dull moment! lol according to mathichon today - rumour has it that there were a secret agreement between xxxx and k. taksin. and its likely that k. samak would be ditched... no sympathy (from me), of course... :roll: http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol06110151&day=2008-01-11§ionid=0133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Khun Banharn lives in hope but really he is well past it. However, given the way this ongoing drama is unfolding even he has a chance. Thai politics - never a dull moment! lol according to mathichon today - rumour has it that there were a secret agreement between xxxx and k. taksin. and its likely that k. samak would be ditched... no sympathy (from me), of course... :roll: http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol06110151&day=2008-01-11§ionid=0133 That rumor, or rumors like it, have been floating around for a while now. See, that was always the plan: I (Thaksin) will inflict Samak and Chalerm on you, so that you will beg me to come back and save you all from them. Because next to those guys, I (Thaksin) look good. (Even though, in truth, we're basically the same.) Yes, I (Thaksin) will ride to your rescue, be your savior, once again an Asawin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... Umm...seeing as Samak never has, why should you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm according to the mathichon : all of those learders from various parties who ally with ppp have come to an agreement that k. samak isn't qualified - due to the lack of popularity and being easily pissed, not easily to be controlled... now me wonders (always) : who is the one who came up with getting k. samak to be the ppp's leader in the first place? http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Well, for all of us farangs out there who can't read Thai and so can't read Matichon... Thaksin picked Samak. Samak does not deny it. When asked why Thaksin chose him, Samak said "Because I'm the only one who will attack Prem (Tinsulanonda, the king's chief privy councillor and a former prime minister).'' If you go out to the rural areas, all you hear is how much xxxx loves Thaksin, and what a bad person Prem is. This is as good as that Swift Boat stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... Umm...seeing as Samak never has, why should you? because i've seen how well this process of deciding who's in power by building coalitions *after* the election has gone in israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 POWER DEALING Democrats 'turn down' Thaksin offer to join govt Close aide of ex-PM makes overtures on joining PPP govt: party source Published on January 12, 2008 The Democrat Party was contacted by a close aide of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra asking them to join a People Power Party (PPP) government last week but the Democrats declined the offer, a Democrat source said yesterday. Later, Thaksin's close aide contacted them again proposing another option - to let the Democrats form the government on the condition they help Thaksin with his legal cases. The Democrats also turned down this offer, said the source. "If the Democrats accepted such a condition, it would be pressured by society and its voter base in the city, who would certainly not let the government compromise with Thaksin," the source said. "The only possibility is that it must wait for the Election Commission's ruling on red and yellow cards, as well as cases related to the People Power dissolution. This is mainly why it did not compete in the formation of the government." A source close to the People Power Party yesterday confirmed the report, and said that because the negotiations had failed, the former prime minister had ordered the PPP to announce the forming of the government. He believed the number of red and yellow cards would not impact on the party house seats. Another source from PPP confirmed that it was trying to form the government. However, that source said, if they succeeded it would only be for a short term in order to free the 111 banned executives of Thai Rak Thai and to remove the Assets Examination Committee. It would then dissolve Parliament and call for a new election. "It will not use the amnesty laws. The PPP plans to remove the Constitution Court judges too. It will nullify the Council for National Security's appointment of the judges, saying it was unlawful," the source said. "It will say any resolution by the judges is unlawful including the Thai Rak Thai's dissolution." It would then transfer Thaksin's legal cases to the National Counter-Corruption Commission instead, the source said. At the same time, it would reboot its popularity through populism policies so that it could gain an overwhelming victory after the election. The source said ousted Prime Minister Thaksin has tried to talk to Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda and Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont asking for reconciliation. According to this source, Thaksin offered to leave politics and wanted the government to transfer his legal cases from the Assets Examination Committee to the National Counter-Corruption Commission but Thaksin's proposal was rejected. "The government can only let Thaksin return to Thailand to defend the charges against him, but Thaksin is unwilling to do this because he knows that when he returns the authorities would ban him from leaving the country as his wife has discovered," the source said. Khunying Pojaman, wife of Thaksin, returned to Thailand on Tuesday to defend herself against corruption charges. The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) released her on bail and banned her from leaving the country without permission. The Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted January 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Personally I am disappointed that the Democrats are not prepared to entertain a compromise to end this political crisis. It is the best hope of a decent Government for the country. The Democrats with 165 seats have no hope of forming a coalition by themselves, so the best they can do is screw up the chances of the opposition. What happens then? Either more problems or possibly the intervention of the military again? One fundamental problem we have is Thaksin - one side wants to put in jail while the other would like to return him to power. Until both sides get beyond that - in that neither outcome will do any good in healing the inherent differences in this country - we will not get anywhere. When this country was ranked as one of the tigers of SE Asia it was because of foreign direct investment. Of the top 5 employers in this country, 4 are foreign, Saha Union being the exception and Western Digital being the largest. Between 1985-1995 75% of incremental GDP growth came from FDI. It is hard to imagine anyone investing here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 i picked Samak if only because he's the apparent winner and i cling desperately to the fantasy of rule of law... its likely that k.banharn will get a fair chance to be our next pm http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol08100151&day=2008-01-10§ionid=0133 Khun Banharn lives in hope but really he is well past it. However, given the way this ongoing drama is unfolding even he has a chance. Thai politics - never a dull moment! lol according to mathichon today - rumour has it that there were a secret agreement between xxxx and k. taksin. and its likely that k. samak would be ditched... no sympathy (from me), of course... :roll: http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol06110151&day=2008-01-11§ionid=0133 That rumor, or rumors like it, have been floating around for a while now. See, that was always the plan: I (Thaksin) will inflict Samak and Chalerm on you, so that you will beg me to come back and save you all from them. Because next to those guys, I (Thaksin) look good. (Even though, in truth, we're basically the same.) Yes, I (Thaksin) will ride to your rescue, be your savior, once again an Asawin! according to mathichon - seems that the plan is changed. k. samak would get the be the pm for a very short period, if he caused to many problems then they would ditch him. and then k. banharn's turn. anyway, i personally think its time to move on... and i really think that thai people want it this way... for the sake's of thailand, please stop fighting, do compromise to each other and do something!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I don't think for the Democrats it's a matter of having to see Thaksin go to jail. I think many of their supporters would feel they sold out if they accepted this deal. They could do themselves more damage politically by accepting this deal than by accepting that they will be the opposition. And if they quashed the cases against Thaksin without the consent of the parties involved in the coup, they might then find everyone against them. Because you can't believe that once they've done this little favor for Thaksin, that old square face and his supporters will all of a sudden regard them as bosom buddies and not try to undermine them and push them out of power, now that they got what they want. Isn't this what they call a "poison pill"? Thaksin must be pretty desperate if he's reaching out to the people he's been demonizing politically for the past 10 years. I can't blame the Democrats for not accepting. As for the other parties that could make a deal happen, I don't know what their thinking is, but trust has to be a basis of a deal. Considering Thaksin's consistent and unfortunate habit of pronouncing one thing (i.e. I will have nothing to do with politics) and then doing another, you have to wonder how they can trust him to stick to any deal. I suspect that any powers that be that might be able to make a deal happen, don't have a need to see Thaksin go to jail. They just can't figure out how to make a deal that will stick that will really neutralize him and what he's trying to do. Yes, this is a big problem for the country, and the country will continue to suffer until there is a real conclusion to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted January 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Thaksin must be pretty desperate if he's reaching out to the people he's been demonizing politically for the past 10 years. I doubt he is feeling that desperate at all. Why should he be? If someone offers you an olive branch it is a little sad to see it as a sign of desperation. Seems things are generally going his way. You definitely see things differently to me. He has sent his wife and family here. Why? Because he views them as safe. That he is on top. I certainly dont see these as the actions of a desperate man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie009 Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 .... before sir rob is going to complain that thai people dont care much about politics (again)anyone else besides me has ever noticed that for some reason people in here(tf) seem to be interested in talking/discussing about politics but not thai politic? might be... 1. they dont know much about our politic .... or 2. they simply dont care about our politic.... or 3. they are bored talking about our politic.... or might be the language that causes them the difficulty to follow our politic .... reading from bbc, cnn, ap or reuters are not the same as reading mathicon or thairat / or watching news on thai telly. its funny (always something to laugh or laugh at) to me when the reporters get to interview those politicians you know .... yesterday, if anyone watched news on thai telly - you would get to see "k.samak" & "k. aphisit" facing each other for the first time after the election. anyway, i like "choowit" the most when it comes to facing the press... :roll: Thanks and what happened in that when K. Samak and K. Aphisit faced each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 .... before sir rob is going to complain that thai people dont care much about politics (again)anyone else besides me has ever noticed that for some reason people in here(tf) seem to be interested in talking/discussing about politics but not thai politic? might be... 1. they dont know much about our politic .... or 2. they simply dont care about our politic.... or 3. they are bored talking about our politic.... or might be the language that causes them the difficulty to follow our politic .... reading from bbc, cnn, ap or reuters are not the same as reading mathicon or thairat / or watching news on thai telly. its funny (always something to laugh or laugh at) to me when the reporters get to interview those politicians you know .... yesterday, if anyone watched news on thai telly - you would get to see "k.samak" & "k. aphisit" facing each other for the first time after the election. anyway, i like "choowit" the most when it comes to facing the press... :roll: Thanks and what happened in that when K. Samak and K. Aphisit faced each other k. aphisit (being a decent and educated person) "wai" k. samak and then they went their separate way... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie009 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Sad then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venus Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Personally I am disappointed that the Democrats are not prepared to entertain a compromise to end this political crisis. It is the best hope of a decent Government for the country. its not gonna be that easy.... as democrats always try to set themself to be very much different than ppp... in every ways ( talking, manners, educations, decency - thats why they don't get lots of votes from the poor - like when k. aphisit was interviewed by the press on newspapers or tv.- his very appropriate & complicated level of thai language & a very much educated & polite way of talking seems to be a bit /too difficult for the poor to really understand him..) ... its true that loads of senior politicians feel "mun sai" k. aphisit.... its going to be very difficult for k. aphisit to be our pm without support from those (nasty) senior politicians ( and it seems to me that k. aphisit doesn't like to talk to them personally or directly. in "mathichon" a few days ago - it said that k. aphisit never phones those other leaders - he always sends someone else to do the job. in thai way - ithere is no respect (yes.. can you realy believe that those nasty people actually need respect from other people) - unlike k. taksin - he calls/called those people from hong kong directly. and most importantly - the poor always think that k. aphisit represents "middle-class" & "upper class" people (which seem to be true), though obviously he has tried so hard to change that thought. one time, before the election, he was in "isaan" - the local told him that they disliked him because he once said/mentioned "isaan" people are uneducated & stupid... they feel offended.. I dont believe that k. aphisit has said that - it must be a misunderstanding or misinterpret... he probably mentioned that "isaan" peopel cant think by themself or somethign of the sort.. but it doest matter what i think. its what those people think... he has to try harder to change that if he really wants to be our pm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I'm sure Abhisit has never said Isaan people are stupid, but it wouldn't surprise if some Democrats have. But yes, I'm sure Isaan people have been told that he said that about them. Just as they have been told that xxxx loves Thaksin and Prem is the big evil and controls xxxx. People who say that must have a really low opinion of xxxx. If Abhisit wants to win up there, he's gonna have to make it his mission to go there as often as possible and meet as many people as possible - and not just during campaign season. And when they say things like that to him, just tell them the truth. But I think the Democrats should also be less "gentlemanly" and start swinging below the belt like their opponents do. It's gonna take a long time for them to start winning some seats up there, but you have start fighting for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Talking of Prem, there is a persistent rumour that he is about to step down as head of the Privy Council. Now these might simply be malicious rumours put about by the pro Thaksin crowd but, if true, it would go some way in healing some of the rifts that exist out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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