CIRCUMCISION

[PeeMarc]

I was talking to an old friend of mine the other day. He's a New York attorney, who had just got back to Bangkok. He has 2 son's who live with his ex-wife in NY. They are Jewish, and he had gone back to be at his son's circumcision ceremony.

Talking to him reminded me of how I feel about the whole idea of circumcision and how I believe it to be unnecessary and really just plain wrong (IMO).

But, having respect for my friend and his faith, I said nothing.

How do you feel about circumcision?

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Here's what Wiki says...

Circumcision is the removal of some or all of the foreskin (prepuce) from the penis. The word "circumcision" comes from Latin circum (meaning "around") and c?dere (meaning "to cut").

The earliest pictures are from cave drawings of Ancient Egyptian tombs, though some pictures may be open to interpretation. Male circumcision is a religious commandment in Judaism as well as in Islam, and customary in some Oriental Orthodox and other Christian churches in Africa.

Circumcision is most common in the Middle East, the USA and parts of Africa and Asia. According to WHO 30% of men worldwide have had the procedure, mostly in developing countries where it is common for religious or cultural reasons. Opponents of circumcision condemn infant circumcision as being medically unjustified and an infringement upon individual bodily rights, while advocates of circumcision regard it as a worthwhile public health measure, particularly in the control of HIV in Sub-Saharan Africa.

In March 2007 the World Health Organization and UNAIDS stated that male circumcision is an effective intervention for HIV prevention, but also stated that male circumcision only provides partial protection and should not replace other interventions to prevent the heterosexual transmission of HIV.

Circumcision may also be used to treat inflammation of the glans.

The American Medical Association defines ?non-therapeutic? circumcision as the non-religious, non-ritualistic, not medically necessary, elective circumcision of male newborns. It states that medical associations in the US, Australia, and Canada do not recommend the routine non-therapeutic circumcision of newborns.

Circumcision advocates argue that circumcision is a significant public health measure, preventing infections, and slowing down the spread of AIDS. Opponents of circumcision question the ethical validity of removing genital tissue from a minor, arguing that infant circumcision infringes upon individual autonomy and represents a human rights violation.

read the rest here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

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[PJack]

have you ever met a girl who preferred un-cut boytoys?

[laragirl]

i think the penis really looks nicer circumcized without the extra skin particularly before an erection.

although of course when it's hard, it looks pretty much the same.

[PJack]

have you ever met a girl who preferred un-cut boytoys?

reword:

Are there any girls out there who prefer un-cut boytoys? speak up now or forever hold another piece.

[Damnam1]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

[Damnam1]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

[PJack]

My goodness,

I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

mmm

you can't believe the feeling without a foreskin is as intense as without? :roll:

can you elaborate, or clarify, pls?

[Damnam1]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

you can't believe the feeling without a foreskin is as intense as without? :roll:

can you elaborate, or clarify, pls?

Yep. Here is the proof: Place your willy over a piece of wood. Take a nail and hammer it into your foreskin. Does it hurt ? Yes ? So, see how sensitive your foreskin is ? :wink:

[PJack]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

you can't believe the feeling without a foreskin is as intense as without? :roll:

can you elaborate, or clarify, pls?

Yep. Here is the proof: Place your willy over a piece of wood. Take a nail and hammer it into your foreskin. Does it hurt ? Yes ? So, see how sensitive your foreskin is ? :wink:

before you drive any nails into willies, can you please clarify your English first? It is painless. are you sayiing the uncircumsized willy is more or less sensitive? this point is not clear. after this we might make it to putting burning coals on things. mmmmm

[Damnam1]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

you can't believe the feeling without a foreskin is as intense as without? :roll:

can you elaborate, or clarify, pls?

Yep. Here is the proof: Place your willy over a piece of wood. Take a nail and hammer it into your foreskin. Does it hurt ? Yes ? So, see how sensitive your foreskin is ? :wink:

before you drive any nails into willies, can you please clarify your English first? It is painless. are you sayiing the uncircumsized willy is more or less sensitive? this point is not clear. after this we might make it to putting burning coals on things. mmmmm

A weeny without foreskin is defintely less sensitive, due to cutting of nerves.This is a medical fact. When a young boy is circumsized he did not have any sex at that age. So he wont be able to tell the difference anymore.There is no forward and backward stimulation anymore. The feeling is reduced to some millimeters and often there is total loss of sensitivity.

Like almost any operation it also bears big risks. Nature might have made some mistakes in creating human brains but she knows best about genitals.

[Nelis]

Who would ever have part of his **** cut off willingly on a later age if they were asked? I would say almost nobody....

Cutting parts of helpless infants who have no choice is barbaric and medieval.

[PJack]

My goodness,

never, ever. The foreskin also helps prevent your John Thomases glans from sunburn:D . Not kidding - we do a lot of naked sunbathing here in Europe

This reminds me of ancient rituals, i.e. in Africa, where they still cut delicate female parts and mutilate their bodies.

In civilised world there is plenty of water to keep your willy clean. So this argument doesnt count in my eyes and I cannot imagine that the feeling without a foreskin is as intensive as without.

you can't believe the feeling without a foreskin is as intense as without? :roll:

can you elaborate, or clarify, pls?

Yep. Here is the proof: Place your willy over a piece of wood. Take a nail and hammer it into your foreskin. Does it hurt ? Yes ? So, see how sensitive your foreskin is ? :wink:

before you drive any nails into willies, can you please clarify your English first? It is painless. are you sayiing the uncircumsized willy is more or less sensitive? this point is not clear. after this we might make it to putting burning coals on things. mmmmm

A weeny without foreskin is defintely less sensitive, due to cutting of nerves.This is a medical fact. When a young boy is circumsized he did not have any sex at that age. So he wont be able to tell the difference anymore.There is no forward and backward stimulation anymore. The feeling is reduced to some millimeters and often there is total loss of sensitivity.

Like almost any operation it also bears big risks. Nature might have made some mistakes in creating human brains but she knows best about genitals.

well, yes of course it is logical. i was looking for some sort of comparison not a justification or logical argument.

that said. i hop they never cut your willy. they cut mine.

any girls who are contacting me should take it easy. it will take me a while to respond to all the inquiries.

[Damnam1]

Dear PJack,

No one can ease your pain. No one can replace the loss of your foreskin. You are in my thoughts at this difficult time. :wink:

[condotown]

i think the penis really looks nicer circumcized without the extra skin particularly before an erection.

although of course when it's hard, it looks pretty much the same.

But it tastes the same??

LOL

Actually, NO.

The foreskin or prepuce as I call it, if not thoroughly washed, will have a cheesy accumulation called smegma which smells and tastes terrible!!

I hated it when I was forced to learn that from the old uncut priest. The younger priest was cut and did not have that problem. I don't miss Catholic school.

[biachung]

although of course when it's hard, it looks pretty much the same.

[PJack]

this sounds more like Lex Luther every minute!

[laragirl]

Who would ever have part of his **** cut off willingly on a later age if they were asked? I would say almost nobody....

Cutting parts of helpless infants who have no choice is barbaric and medieval.

actually, circumcision in the Philippines happens before they reach the teen years. young boys who go through it during their summer break are well aware of what to be done - it's like their entrance fee to manhood.

[laragirl]

i think the penis really looks nicer circumcized without the extra skin particularly before an erection.

although of course when it's hard, it looks pretty much the same.

But it tastes the same??

LOL

i think the "taste" would pretty much be dependent on the guy's hygiene and whatever he eats. i must say, a cut one feels soooo much better in the mouth.

hahahaha

:twisted:

[Nelis]

Who would ever have part of his **** cut off willingly on a later age if they were asked? I would say almost nobody....

Cutting parts of helpless infants who have no choice is barbaric and medieval.

actually, circumcision in the Philippines happens before they reach the teen years. young boys who go through it during their summer break are well aware of what to be done - it's like their entrance fee to manhood.

Oh I'm sure they can't wait to have (part of) their dicks chopped off.

Look how happy they are:

http://www.noharmm.org/CAtuli.htm

[Damnam1]

Only mankind is able to do things like these. Disgusting, perverted, sick and insane, all those words cant describe the crime parents do to their children.

How in the world can a boy gain trust in his parents if they allow such a procedure ?

[CuTieGirL]

Sometime I doubt if I should engage myself in to discussion of private thing like this topic. But my opinion is : It doesn't matter as long as it's clean.

Once, a friend sent me a link to a website that has many pictures of male privates. The website is meant for "Studies". And seeing just THAT part of males and many of them actually gross me out. Especially when they show the abnormalities.

[SiamHotel]

ouch!!!!

[SiamHotel]

in my {glorioux} lingo:

[SiamHotel]

======> CHE MINKIA!!! 8)

[PeeMarc]

Well girls, let's see how you feel about circumcision when it is applied to you. Here's what wiki says...

Amnesty International estimates that over 130 million women worldwide have been affected by some form of Female Genital Cutting (FGC) with over 2 million procedures being performed every year.

Female genital cutting is today mainly practiced in African countries. It is common in a band that stretches from Senegal in West Africa to Somalia on the East coast, as well as from Egypt in the north to Tanzania in the south; see Map. It is also practiced by some groups in the Arabian peninsula. The country where is most prevalent is Somalia, followed by Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Mali. Among ethnic Somali women, infibulation is traditional and nearly universal. Recent figures estimate that 90 percent of Egyptian women have undergone FGC. Egypt recently passed a law banning FGC.

Whilst FGC is widely practiced out in the open by Africans of all faiths, it is practiced in secrecy in some parts of the Middle East. In the Arabian peninsula, Sunna circumcision is usually performed, especially among Arabs (ethnic groups of African descent are more likely to prefer infibulation). The practice occurs particularly in northern Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, and Iraq. In the Iraqi village of Hasira, a recent study found that 60 percent of the women and girls reported having had the procedure. Prior to the study, there had been no solid proof of the procedure's prevalence. There is also circumstantial evidence to suggest that FGC is practiced in Syria, western Iran, and southern Turkey. In Oman, a few communities still practice FGC; however, experts believe that the number of such cases is small and declining annually. In the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, it is practiced mainly among foreign workers from East Africa and the Nile Valley.

The practice can also be found among a few ethnic groups in South America and very rarely in India (Dawoodi Bohra community). In Indonesia, the practice is fairly common among the country's Muslim women; however, in contrast to Africa, almost all are involving the symbolic pricking of blood release.

Due to immigration, the practice has also spread to Europe, Australia and the United States. Some tradition-minded families have their daughters undergo FGC whilst on vacation in their home countries. As Western governments become more aware of FGC, legislation has come into effect in many countries to make the practice of FGC a criminal offense. In 2006, Khalid Adem became the first man in the United States to be prosecuted for mutilating his daughter.

Cultural and religious aspects:

The traditional cultural practice of FGC predates both Islam and Christianity. A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions girls in Egypt undergoing circumcision and it is widely accepted to have originated in Egypt and the Nile valley at the time of the Pharaohs. While the spread of the practice of FGC is unknown, the procedure is now practiced among Muslims, Christians, and Animists.

Although FGC is practiced within particular religious sub-cultures, FGC transcends religion as it is primarily a cultural practice. UNICEF stated that when "looking at religion independently, it is not possible to establish a general association with FGC status." The arguments used to justify FGC vary; they range from health-related to social benefits: