Stramash Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 race = 1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage. You could upset a lot of people saying Scots and English same race lol!!! Youre right about the implications - its based on how much they had advanced and were advancing and, if they had kept going at that rate etc :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grezzzy_greer Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Aha...OK, fair enough - I was considering it from the point of view of the first option only I have to admit. I tend to think race is genetically defined rather than by association (such as groups etc per the second definition). I must admit that I had not considered them that way. That being the case (and hang all the PC rubbish) I feel that the Scots, English, Irish..hell...even the Welsh...are all the same race divided by the inability to speak each others languages...as we all know by listening to the "English" spoken in each of those areas...ok...I am being kuon tien...sorry... just stirring... Ant...you are being a trifle harsh there aren't you??? Cambodia, Myanmar perhaps...or...India... but not our beloved Siam...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 but even then Grez, there are genetic differences between the English and the rest of the 'Britons'. After all we were all here before the English!!!! ya stirrer :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menospeakthai Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Ian, actually I don't like the tone of the remarks made about the Scots either, but I am not sure they can be classed as racist - generally I understood racism was generally between races, whereas I thought the English and the Scots are the same race (race, not creed perhaps)? I might be wrong of course, and if so I stand corrected. Ok as the present A1 road that goes through my city (Newcastle) to Jockland has been in existance in one form or another for 1000s of year (for the purpose of trade) im willing to bet that us English dropped our standards once in a blue moon and mated with the Jocks hence i believe we are all of the same race. And as we are geographically closer to the capital of Scotland then the Capital of England or the next major city which is Leeds there is a small possiblility that somewhere down the line ive a Tenants Super drinking, deep fried mars bar chomping "Sweaty" in my family tree, as i know ive got Mick heritage in there (fortunately no taffy has yet been found in my genes). So now ive admitted we are all one can i be allowed to take the p7ss out of my own "Kin" PS i recommend a visit to Northumberland one of the most beautiful places on this planet with some of the worlds greatest castles. Built to keep the Jocks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menospeakthai Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 but even then Grez, there are genetic differences between the English and the rest of the 'Britons'. After all we were all here before the English!!!! Enlighten me on these genetic differences, as the link provided before shows the Scots dont yet have a genetic resitance to tobacco, alcohol, drugs and trans fatty foods. But ive got to give them credit for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 The measure used to define healthy life expectancy mattered. For example, a study of differences between five areas in England and Wales, which combined regional life tables with sample data, ranked Newcastle last in female life expectancy at 65. Newcastle also scored lowest in the proportion of healthy to total life expectancy on the self- reported HLE The highest rates of DRDs per 100,000 population aged 16 and over in 2006 were in Blackpool & the Fylde (19.4); Brighton & Hove (17.8); Western Cumbria (17.3); Jersey (12.3); Dumbarton (11.3); and Newcastle-upon-Tyne (10.1). Of these six areas, four (Western Cumbria; Jersey, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and Blackpool & the Fylde) showed a significant increase Central Newcastle had the highest number of incidents of violence against the person, with 236.5 for every 1,000 residents. Newcastle Upon Tyne crime statistics Review and compare latest crime statistics for Newcastle Upon Tyne Police Force Northumbria, Newcastle upon Tyne Population 269,465 Number of households 118,000 Offence Locally Per 1000 Population Locally Nationally Robbery 345 1.28 1.85 Theft of a motor vehicle 1253 4.65 4.04 Theft from a motor vehicle 3108 11.53 9.56 Sexual offences 354 1.31 1.17 Violence against a person 5289 19.63 19.97 Burglary 2323 8.62 5.67 There are around 1.55 million people drinking to harmful levels in England with the North East, North West and Yorkshire and The Humber generally showing higher levels of excessive alcohol consumption than other regions. In the North East, 26% of men and 16% of women drink at hazardous and harmful level In the North East, every year alcohol is estimated to result in at least 19 people being admitted to hospital, nine crimes and 1.7 claims of incapacity benefit for every 1,000 people living in the region Thats right - cos Newcastle is such healthy, safe place!!Wow, moving there next week. You are right, you probably do have some Scots blood and very possibly Danish, maybe a hint of Saxon and perhaps a soupcon of Norman. And many of those castles you talk about were actually there to keep the English out! :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menospeakthai Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 You didnt need to write all that to tell me Newcastle is full of fat, junky, thieving, bar fighting p7ssheads that are all on the rock n roll (dole) and who'll be in a mortuary before they should be. All i have to do i look at the state of the people outside to see that. The difference is Glasgow and Scotland have a reputation for it. PS There's about 1 million people in Newcastle and the surrounding suburbs. you wouldnt get 1 in 5 going to watch that excuse for football that the greatest man on the planet is slowly making in title contenders. PPS There is a more relaxed, fun and friendly way of life in Newcastle far more so then in any other part of England ive lived in, if you tap them 2 wires together in your car and syphon some petrol your more then welcome to come and visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 nah, will get train down and steal your car!! lol and of course I will come in winter and only wear a t shirt at 3am!! Do Newcastle have a football team?? Oh yes, we stuffed em 3-0 at weekend! :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan675 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Romanes Eunt Domus! (And Geordies too, for that matter .....) Now who's the stirrer? :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menospeakthai Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 nah, will get train down and steal your car!! loland of course I will come in winter and only wear a t shirt at 3am!! My brothers bird come to Newcastle from Australia the other year and couldnt believe the girls walking round in short skirts and tiny tops in the middle of winter... i dont understand how they can do it but its nice to look at. Do Newcastle have a football team?? Oh yes, we stuffed em 3-0 at weekend! So youre really a wine bar frequenting cockney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richar1 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Some academics argue that if the Roman Empire hadnt collapsed plunging most of Europe into dark ages, that we may have had inventions such as the aeroplane by around 1000 ad :twisted: damn and at least flying cars too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyphil247 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well they gave a good example of how an empire can wane when it spends too much on its military forces and over reaches its political power.(Yes I know it is an overused cliche.......) but all that happened was the military and commercial empire dissolved but reinvented itself as the Holy Roman Empire which still controls 1.1 billion people worldwide, so its lasted pretty well... :twisted: You really don't believe that ??? :oops: But if it were the case ; controls ??? Sorry Phil -confused - believe which bit? The transition from military empire to holy empire? The 1.1 billion?? And yes, controls...100% :twisted: Both bits , the transition and the control :oops: I can see how a person may believe in the transition conclusion ( particularly if they're of AngloSaxon origin ), but controls...100% ??? Humour me by explaining how I am controlled by the Roman Catholic Church , where as an Intelligent Free Atheist like yourself isn't controlled ( apart from paying taxes to the UK government and religiously spending time on TF ) Bear in mind most Catholics are lazy and hardly ever go to church . They tend to pick and choose only the aspects they like or don't mind about Catholicism . The Catholic church is constantly evolving because of fear of losing followers . That's hardly controlling BTW Happy Birthday !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Bob Posted September 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hahaha I forgot I posted this thread... I just wanted some Monty Pythonists to contribute. You guys are too academic for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Phil - the transition opinion i snothing to do with origins (and as a Scot my origins certainly arent anglo saxon) Go and read some history books based around these events - of how power changed from emperor to pope. In this day and age total control is probably too strong aterm. as you rightly point out, most catholics are too lazy these days or have rejected some of the church's more controlling aspects, but there are still the masses (excuse pun) in Africa, South america etc who follow without questioning Please dont think I am anti-catholic. I think it is a fascinating bit of history how a declining empire reinvented itself and embraced the new fast growing religion, but up until fairly recently it was almost 100% control, now it may only be half that. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy5000 Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Rocco Siffredi :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 mmm.always someone who brings penises into it... :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJack Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 they gave us Sopranos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 singers or gangsters?? :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 They built Hadrians Wall intended to separate marauding 'Picts'' (now politically correctly referred to as 'Scots') from the English.Still exists to this very day though was eventually penetrated with the invention of the lo-cost airline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJack Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 singers or gangsters?? :twisted: both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 They built Hadrians Wall intended to separate marauding 'Picts'' (now politically correctly referred to as 'Scots') from the English.Still exists to this very day though was eventually penetrated with the invention of the lo-cost airline. wrong, wrong, wrong. Picts and Scots 2 completely seperate tribes!!! And what about the antonine wall?? Or Pontius Pilate (probably) being born in perthshire?? ~325 BC, Pictland (The lands north of the Forth-Clyde valley) The Greek explorer Phytheas referred to the Picts as the "Priteni", the ancient Irish called them "Cruthni". Both mean "The People of the Designs". Pictish design is a rich and wonderful style of art, and can still be seen in the standing stones and cross-slabs of Scotland to this day. The Picts were a Celtic tribal race who defended their land from Roman, Saxon, Briton and Viking invasions. The Picts were also known to be accomplished brewers, the Scottish Dictionary quotes "The Picts brewed some awful grand drink they ca't heather ale from heather and some unknown kind of fog". One legend recorded by Robert Louis Stevenson tells of a Scots king who, after killing all the Picts in battle, wished for the famous heather ale. He found two survivors by a cliff, a Pictish chief and his son, and began to torture them to gain the secret recipe, the Pict agreed to tell if they would kill his son quickly. After the boy's body was thrown from the cliff, the Pictish chief faced the King and said "But now in vain is the torture, fire shall never avail, here dies in my bosom the secret of the heather ale" he then threw himself at the King and they both fell from the cliff. ~843 AD, Scotland Scots and Picts united under the Scots King Kenneth MacAlpin to form 'Scotland" or "Alba" to the Gaels. Throughout Medieval times many ceilidh stories mention the brewing and drinking of heather ale. This folklore includes the tale of a Highland clan warming heather ale over the fire on a cold night. The steam from the hot ale cooled against the stone roof and dripped into a drinking cup. Upon drinking the contents, the Gaelic clansmen exclaimed "Uisge-beatha!" convinced they had experienced the fabled "water of life". Uisge had been discovered that night. This word has since been bastardised by the English language to ~Whisky" :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 If you want to know what the Romans did for us, just take away everything which was contributed to our society by them, and see what's left.Or try and imagine what the western world would be like if they'd never existed. Yes. Thailand hahaha N0T n3arly EN0uGH then.... 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 singers or gangsters?? :twisted: both was the Soprano family not originally from Naples?? :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 was the Soprano family not originally from Naples?? :twisted: nah, change sources dude! >> moxt of them were in fact banned overweight T[F]arrang members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 .... wearing fake Chatuchak sunglasses made in Naples ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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