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People?s Alliance for Democracy leader Somsak Kosaisuk on Tuesday vowed to continue rallying at Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi airports and demanded the departure of the entire Cabinet.

Following the verdict on party disbandment, Somsak said the PAD would not allow the Cabinet to work in the caretaker capacity until the formation of the next government.

He said every minister must depart along with Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat.

Of 36 Cabinet members, 22 are not affected by the party disbandment and can carry on in the caretaker administration.

(Nation)

GESUS FRIGGIN SAKE!

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This is not fun at all. NOT GETTING OUT UNTILL NEXT GOVERNMENT ??????

This is so the thing that PAD followers do. The minute you show that any of their cases or demands are without justification or makes no sense, they just continue going on making new reasons.

I said it already before: PAD as a movement is helding country as a hostage that they actually want to kill, because they are changing their ransom demands along the way when ever they are met.

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I wonder still, I mean good for the Dude, but Giles Ji Ungpakorn is really not sparing his words today again with mentioning the White Elephant Family in his article. No LM charges? Or maybe they come in the next two years when seen more advantage....

I am ready to join anti-PAD rally now. Not pro-government, but anti-PAD. This can't go on. Can't. Disbelief

Delicious Ji quote of the day:

The elites do not care if the Thai economy is trashed and Thailand returns to a poor Third World nation. In such nations the elites continue to live the same lives as the rich in the Developed World. The PAD protestors are middle-class extremists who do not have to go to work, hence their prolonged protests.

(Now, Ji has some opinions and reasonings that definetly do not make 100% sense or are feasible and he also fails to take into account at all, I dont see it between the lines either, about the additional reasons behind this unrest, reasons that relate to the unevitable next White Elephant and the fight for that power)

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Don't be shy....

Get a Hercules C130......fastest way to nirvana....

Geez glad I am not from New Zealand, :lol: at least Qantas sent an A330/300 to pick up our people!!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

you'd feel safe flying with Qantas????

Not at the moment, but I would think it would be more comfy than a hercules!! :lol::lol: Couldn't Air New Zealand spare a 747 or 777 ? :lol::lol:

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Finally enlighten for what is kor ror 6!! Now I try to think who have said he has it... oh yeah.. I also have tiny lil brain...

I have it :roll: (just so you know now I am single and looking) 8)

How tiny is your brain? smaller than Zeus's? :shock:

ahhh Ris is Single and Looking???

How tiny is ZBH's? :roll:

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This whole airport thing could be solved easily... if the King, who supposedly is so revered, came out and told PAD to leave the airport and stop making innocent people suffer over a billionaire pissing contest I assume that thing would be empty in about 5minutes! So what is preventing him from doing this? The whole "stays out of politics" line doesn't cut it in this situation. The country is, according to some, on the verge of civil war and yet he has not made a statement. I realize he is 80something and may not be in great health but something is just not right about that....

When the leaders of PAD are freely roaming around Bangkok, setting up armed roadblocks, laughing in photos with the police chief the day after they drove cars into groups of policemen, and moving their people from Government House to the Airport without even the slightest token resistance from the police or the military, a reasonable person might conclude that PAD has been given carte blanche to do whatever they desire by someone quite powerful.

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I can remember only 3 weeks ago a Qantas flight had to follow a rescuer Air Newzealand flight all the way to Auckland because its Electronics had failed and it was lost,Cant Qantas put New Zealanders on their Aircraft?

There are some short memories aren't there? :D

Its not a matter of economics its a matter of getting passengers out of Thailand,and Im not to sure but I don't think Air New Zealand even flies direct to Thailand,so doesn't the responsible Airline owe some responsibility to its passengers?

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This is classic....we have a new baby Prime Minister...only a few weeks old...
Scramble from Bangkok: Air Force jets out of action

Tuesday, 02 December 2008

A potential emergency evacuation of up to 300 New Zealanders trapped in Bangkok by anti-government protests could be hamstrung by the air force's two Boeing 757s both being out of action.

Prime Minister John Key yesterday said the Government was considering commercial charter flights or even military aircraft to get stranded New Zealanders out of Thailand.

But today he said if the Government chose to send military aircraft to evacuate New Zealanders in the event of violence they would have to rely on the air force's old and slow C-130 Hercules.

The two Hercules would have to fly to Bangkok in two legs, stopping to refuel in Darwin - potentially taking over a day to get there.

That was because the air force's newer, faster and more comfortable Boeing 757s were in the United States being upgraded.

"We have options through the Hercs, but not the 757s."

Asked if he was happy about that situation, Mr Key said he was having "broad discussions" with the Defence Force.

Mr Key said the number of New Zealanders stuck in Bangkok was climbing and could now be above 300.

"It's anything from about 200 to potentially over 300."

Mr Key was set to attend the East Asia Summit in Chiang Mai in two weeks, but he said he now understood through officials it had been postponed.

The planned signing of New Zealand and Australia's free trade agreement with the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean) at the summit would be postponed, he said.

Now considering we don't really have an airforce anymore...we might be calling for anybody who can manoeuvre a couple of clapped out old tinnies to the south pacific...no experience required....sheesh!!!....and you think chances in a lottery are not great.....gotta love that Kiwi ingenuity...compared to this...beating the Scots at rugby was a piece of piss.....go the Hercs....

i sense an action movie in there somewhere...

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International flights operating out of Don Meung this morning.

??? according to what??? got a link or something?

Colleagues flew out this morning to Singapore. But I've since learned they were private chartered flights. Regular services are yet to resume.

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Just heard on CNN that yellow shirts have "changed their tune", they refuse to disperse until they know Thaksin's allies are not put back into power again... are they f*cking nuts.. if this is true i'd be happy to watch the army go in and hand out some beatings...

They know Somchai and i think 36? of his cabinet / executive are banned from politics for 5 years this seems like an amazing victory for the yellow shirts..

i wouldn't expect the army to do anything. if they haven't already, that tells you something, ya know?

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This is classic....we have a new baby Prime Minister...only a few weeks old...
Scramble from Bangkok: Air Force jets out of action

Tuesday, 02 December 2008

A potential emergency evacuation of up to 300 New Zealanders trapped in Bangkok by anti-government protests could be hamstrung by the air force's two Boeing 757s both being out of action.

Prime Minister John Key yesterday said the Government was considering commercial charter flights or even military aircraft to get stranded New Zealanders out of Thailand.

But today he said if the Government chose to send military aircraft to evacuate New Zealanders in the event of violence they would have to rely on the air force's old and slow C-130 Hercules.

The two Hercules would have to fly to Bangkok in two legs, stopping to refuel in Darwin - potentially taking over a day to get there.

That was because the air force's newer, faster and more comfortable Boeing 757s were in the United States being upgraded.

"We have options through the Hercs, but not the 757s."

Asked if he was happy about that situation, Mr Key said he was having "broad discussions" with the Defence Force.

Mr Key said the number of New Zealanders stuck in Bangkok was climbing and could now be above 300.

"It's anything from about 200 to potentially over 300."

Mr Key was set to attend the East Asia Summit in Chiang Mai in two weeks, but he said he now understood through officials it had been postponed.

The planned signing of New Zealand and Australia's free trade agreement with the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean) at the summit would be postponed, he said.

Now considering we don't really have an airforce anymore...we might be calling for anybody who can manoeuvre a couple of clapped out old tinnies to the south pacific...no experience required....sheesh!!!....and you think chances in a lottery are not great.....gotta love that Kiwi ingenuity...compared to this...beating the Scots at rugby was a piece of piss.....go the Hercs....

i sense an action movie in there somewhere...

How would you feel hitching a ride on an plane with no seats and only a parachute....and then being forced into rugby camp....

to learn the 'haka'.....get the camera....it's all on....

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Alvish: dear mate from the bus to Koh Samet back in the days...are you really surprised? ;) Come, lets go to Malaysia together next time. Keep me posted. Or Indonesia. Or Philippines. I also would like to go to seduce some pretty Chinese gals.... 8)

No chance I'm Thailand till I die :wink: ... or Gob / the GF dies.

I wonder still, I mean good for the Dude, but Giles Ji Ungpakorn is really not sparing his words today again with mentioning the White Elephant Family in his article. No LM charges? Or maybe they come in the next two years when seen more advantage....

Was gonna add this in a post earlier but fell asleep (after 2 hrs sleep i'm back in work) saw this Giles "Ungkaporn" on Al Jazeera and in my opinion he is a "Grade A" tosser.. when asked about armed red shirts he told her the UDD and Govt supporters do not carry weapons and no violence has come from them (since some incident in Chiang Mai a while back??) so i'm guessing PAD are lobbing grenades at themselves are they?? Al Jazeera was very 1 sided this morning it should have said "red shirt supporter" beside Giles name rather than "Reporter".. Who is he btw??

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Giles is quite famous guy. Very polarizing socialist. But he does give out hard hitting stuff. But he is out there alone.

Uh so, raise up your hands people who feel secure now that first flights arriving after just yesterday airport authorities said publicly that to make sure everything is safe and secure will take one week.

Either somehow suddenly AOT has gotten super effective people working for them (probably non-Thais, yea, stereotype, but can't say I am totally wrong either can ya) or they are doing what any decent Thai would do: cutting corners and saving face.

So essentially PAD lost. It lost to the judicial process. 7 weeks of occupation, millions and millions of euros worth of damage now and in the future. And now what? PM has to step down, but not thanks to this occupation. Well, atleast they got, you know what I am gonna say dont ya, yep, they gained some bad ass FACE!

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Eva,who i was supposed to be flying with today, have not got any flights available now untill the 11th of December with an increase in price of 150 pounds...

I have found a flight with Thai, for the 7th...do i take the chance and book this flight? I know it's hard to predict but I feel that because Thai are the national carrier, they will be getting flights in-and-out first...

ADVICE PLEASE....

If you want honest advice then I would say you are taking a big risk to be going to Thailand right now. The situation is very very dangerous. At any moment it could all turn very very ugly and I am talking third world -nasty and dangerous. It is not at all so unlikely now. It is actually the way things are heading and so you would be flying into a virtual war zone or civil war within weeks or months.

All those things you love about Thailand will no longer be the case [to the same degree anyway] and the reasons for you going there may not be valid anymore before too long.

Just wait until after xmass and consider going in mid or late Jan.

Just very risky now I think?

I have to agree with the position taken by several people here that posting alarmist and misleading information can only make things worse by reinforcing information that is incorrect at best and downright dangerous at worst.

I have lived in Thailand for 16 years, we have had our ups and downs - but it gets resolved. The situation at present is not good, and I would not try to pretend that all is rosy, but by the same token, the pockets of unrest and the protests are limited to specific places - please stop trying to make it sound as if Thailand is on the verge of war - that is plain wrong.

My fiance tells me too that things are fine in all the areas that she travels through and wherever she goes - we live in Sukhumvit and she travels daily up to Lad Prao.

All is fine in the areas where most expats live and out in the suburbs.

Yes, you can safely catch the BTS or MRT to anywhere just the same as you have been able to since they started operations.

I ask that everyone think very clearly and carefully before posting outright rubbish here, and before advising others about the supposed "dangers" of coming here, especially if you do not have current intimate knowledge of the country and the situation - and I dont mean by watching the international news media which is so full of sh*t that I am ashamed to work in the industry!

Greer

And I have to disagree and say you are delusional!

Nobody has said everyday life on the BTS or MRT or for that matter anyplace downtown is dangerous YET. Rather it has been pointed out that the situation overall is indeed dangerous and volatile.

Common sense would suggest it was NOT a good idea at all to be flying into Thailand right now [for one thing you dont know when you wil be able to fly back out! Which is kinda a bare minimum that one would expect of any civilized or safe place.

So as for where people getting the information from? Stupid point you make! I will give one crude example!

When the second plane flew into the second tower on 9/11 who do you suppose knew better what was happening?

The people in the tower! or little old me sitting here in Dublin thousands of miles away having a cup of tea! watching it live on TV!

As it happens had it not occurred to people that those not actually there may also be getting live reports from people who are! Funny that I have had several accounts of what is going on from people living in Bangkok and oddly enough they too seemed to be very angry and concerned about the situation- Strange that iniiit!

I see no alarmist posts only very concerned ones! Oh and I see plenty of reasons to be very concerned. It may well work out alright and lets hope it does, but lets not kid ourselves either.

expect and prepare for the worst and hope for the best

But delusional is perhaps the person who having been to thailand once and watching TV in Dublin thinks that they have a clearer understanding of the situation in BKK than someone who has lived in the country for 16 years and is currently in situ.

Well this is as dumb ass it gets.

Akin to "Oh I am here and you are not- I know more than you"

Well what is amazing is that after 16 years of living in Thailand you understand and know so little about the dynamics of Thai politics[Or perhaps politics in general] and what is taken place there. Whereas someone who has only visted Thailand about 10 times in a much shorter period of time is able to grasp the core issues and key developments far better than you ever would or could.

Just to clarify as you seem to be confused, Greer is the one who has been here for 16 years and I think he made a very good reply to your alarmist initial post. Some in BKK do agree with you and some don't. I didn't and considered your post to be reckless, I disagree with the proposition that somehow the guy in Dublin having been to thailand once should be giving advice about the current situation in BKK. Call me crazy!

In your profile you state that you have been to thailand "on my one and only time". So now it is 10 times? Ok but I think I will still trust the judgement of the guy who has lived here for 16 years.

Some in BKK have also expressed dire views but they are here and are able to refer to specific incidents or info. Some of us have disagreed on the forum but no one pretends to be an expert on all things, we are struggling to understand everyhting even if we think we have a sense of the fundamentals.

The dishonest ploy of stating that I am just watching TV in Dublin when I had specifically indicated various possibilities for information and perspective is just typical of your lack or integrity,credibility and wisedom.

Yes one should always get their info from a wide variety of sources before reaching a conclusion. But pls clarify where in your original post you indicated that you alarmist views were based on such a wide scope of information sources and backed up by an objective understanding of recent political events? Dishonest is perhaps someone rewriting something they didn't state before to make themselves look better when clearly they had little idea in the first place.

I will agree with the proposition that I am not so wise.

You do not dont need to be in situ to read a general situation. Far from it, one can have a wealth of knowledge and understanding for a variety of reasons. Not least of which could be contacts with numbers of people already living in situ and getting a broad set of views and feed back from this.

So your on the phone 24/7 with all the people you know in thailand from your one visit. Come on pls don't make things up. If this was the case you would be saying, 'so and so told me that and thus I have come to the conclusion', and not giving alarmist views pretending they are your own. Funny that you didn't mention all of the "contacts" in your orginal post, if would have given it a least a little bit credibility. I for one am having trouble finding the time to keep in touch with everyone i know in bangkok, so your doing very well being in Ireland.

Not to also mention the many detailed articles by well informed people who have studied Thailand and it's politcs and economics for years! In short: The "I Live here you don't" argument is crap! because it has it's own limitations and depends on so many things- like how bright or astute or even interested a person might be, in a range of topics/issues/features within a country.

Happy for you to post your reading list as I for one am always keen to read more and I am sure that others would welcome it.

It seems to be beyond you to expand out this concept and see that the point clearly being made is that the assumption of "being there" as being better than actually observing from afar with plenty of informed and logical information is not always true at all.

Yes I will admit that I find it perplexing that someone from afar having been to the country once and monitoring 24/7 should think they are an expert on the situation. Ok lets have a deal. I'll update you on the number of fights at pubs in Dublin on the weekend, and you keep advising others about the security situation in BKK.

I worked in Afghanistan for 15 months a few years ago. However, I wouldn't even for one moment think that I could tell Heretic AKA Jaya IIV (we have had some interesting disagreements) regarding the security situation in Herat there even though I am in regular touch with afghans and colleagues. I am not there I don't know. He won't know everything but he is at least there and will have a better idea than moi.

In conclusion: You should be less concerned with the poster and try deal with the post and it's actual contents as opposed to the way you twist and spin what has been said/wrote! It is a common mistake made on TF and usually only shows the lack of credibility of people like you who resent others knowing and understanding more than you about certain issues.!

No one is concerned about the poster, just concerned with those making ignorant alarmist posts.

Fact is that you have not made any worthwhile case for your arguments and ignore the critical information at will!

I don't doubt that you know more than me on many issues. But where was the critical information supporting your alarmist post? You didn't source anything in your original post, you didn't back up your views with objective facts referring to specifics. It was all generalisations.

You are entitled to your opinion but pls don't whinge and moan so much if for some strange reason some of those currently in BKK disagree with your alarmism when your in Dublin and have only been to thailand once!

But by all means pls keep updating us on the events in BKK from Dublin. Pls advise when Cheang Wattana road will be open and if Radamnoen Nok Road is already closed as I will be travelling between both places in the next hour. I want to see how Por-Orn and Madame Deangs husband ( if the actually turns up). But you probably already know the answer to that! (Yes I am being facetious!)

I wont waste any more time with you- you are clearly too dumb-willfully so.!

If you were not so concerned with "investigating" me and make a serious of stupid comments you would have checked when I last updated my profile,and thus it is very very out of date.

In short:

I don't have to explain myself to an ignorant person like you. and as for the contents of my posts. There are pages and pages of posts in which I have backed up my point of view about countless aspects with reference and direct quotes abounding.

As to why and how I know and understand what is going on in Thailand [politically] better than you? Thats my business and my arguments and posts fall and stand on their content- of course if you don't like that you can misrepresent or twist anything I write as is your want. Most people can see right through you and your approach.

If you want honest advice then I would say you are taking a big risk to be going to Thailand right now. The situation is very very dangerous. At any moment it could all turn very very ugly and I am talking third world -nasty and dangerous. It is not at all so unlikely now. It is actually the way things are heading and so you would be flying into a virtual war zone or civil war within weeks or months.

All those things you love about Thailand will no longer be the case [to the same degree anyway] and the reasons for you going there may not be valid anymore before too long.

Just wait until after xmass and consider going in mid or late Jan.

Just very risky now I think?

I stand by this comment fully and refer you to the countless articles and reports worldwide concerning the situation in Thailand- plus maybe make a few phone calls to some people in Thailand!

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As has been posted earlier. If you really want to understand what is going on i n Thailand and the Judicial coup taking place consider the following:

20 August 2007: So, of the 45 million Thais registered to vote, 14.7 million have endorsed the proposed constitution. It is a victory of sorts (and key no vote campaigners have accepted it), but not an impressive one. The international reaction will be interesting to watch.

3 September 2007: The explicit request of the military government was that Thai voters endorse a constitution; but the implicit request was that they endorse the future abrogation of that very document if it delivers a government unpalatable to those who wield the power to overthrow it. We can see the ideological groundwork for this being laid already with the usual tired claims about vote buying in relation to the substantial no vote in the northeast and the north. And these claims come from a government that spared little in terms of incentives and expenses for villagers mobilised as part of the yes vote campaign.

10 September 2007: Some members of the ruling regime in Thailand have reacted with predicable nationalist outrage to a European Union request to send observers to the forthcoming general election. Why such a defensive response? I don?t think it is because the junta holds out some hope of ballot-box manipulation. Quite the opposite. What the current regime fears most is that the Thai electoral process could be internationally recognised as being relatively clean. The ?sufficiency democracy? paradigm that they promote is based on the view that the electoral process is so compromised by money politics that it can be cast aside when it delivers an unpalatable result. Slandering the electoral process is the ideological bread and butter of the coup-endorsing Thai elite. With European Observers on the ground, the elite?s ongoing attempts to discredit electoral democracy will be all the more difficult.

23 December 2007: The central question for Thailand?s democracy is this: will the royalist-military elite that staged the September 2006 coup be willing to accept the election of Thaksin?s proxy party? Finding themselves back at square one after 15 months will be a bitter pill to swallow. Military action against the election result seems highly unlikely, though it cannot be ruled out. More likely is a concerted judicial attack on the elected government. This may take the form of a series of challenges to constituency results. The current military regime has worked hard to keep the spectre of electoral irregularity and vote buying alive and they may waste no time in arguing, as they did in relation to the Thaksin government, that the People Power victory was bought from an ill-informed and easily manipulated electorate.

1 January 2008: Now the issuing of ?red cards? to the successful People Power Party has started in earnest with speculation that up to 60 candidates may be disqualified ? As expected the common charge against disqualified candidates is the tired old charge of vote buying. This legal manoeuvring is just so predictable. ? Just how far the powers that be are willing to go in their current coup by stealth remains to be seen. They will do everything they can to muddy the electoral waters.

7 April 2008: For some so-called pro-democracy advocates, constitutional reform by a democratically elected government seems to be more alarming than the complete destruction of a constitution by military force. The outrage at the proposed amendment of Section 237 of the 2007 Constitution is motivated by anything but democratic principles. Section 237 allows the Constitutional Court to dissolve a political party if one of its executives is found guilty of electoral irregularity (or failing to act to prevent such an irregularity).

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From the Bangkok Post via GM's journal:

Suvarnabhumi to welcome incoming flights

(BangkokPost.com) - The People?s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) on Tuesday accepted the Airports of Thailand (AOT)?s demand to allow incoming flights to use Suvarnabhumi airport after the Constitution Court dissolved the People Power, Chart Thai and Matchimathipataya parties on charges of electoral fraud.

The first incoming flight to the international airport is expected to be within 24 hours.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/021208_News/02Dec2008_breaking05.php

The Nation is reporting that passenger flights won't start until Dec 15 :shock:

AIRPORT CRISIS

Suvarnabhumi airport to remain closed until at least Dec 15 : AOT

By The Nation

Suvarnabhumi International Airport will remain closed to passenger flights until at least Dec 15 due to the disruption caused by anti-government protesters.

Airports Authority of Thailand's acting director Serirat Prasutanont said that the country's main airport has lost more Bt350 million due to the closure of the protesters.

But the airport allowed the cargo flights to land on Tuesday, the first flights were expected to arrive later the day.

People's Alliance for Democracy has led anti-government protesters to seize the airport since last week.

The extension of the suspension for passenger flights is made although AOT and PAD met on Tuesday and agreed that the airport will resume its service as soon as technical officials examined functional and operational system,.

The panel set up to solve the airport crisis is attended by PAD's co-leader Somkiart Pongpaiboon, AOT's president Wutthipun Wichairat and AOT's advisor to the president ACM Kittisak Ratprasert.

Somkiat said that the meeting agreed that all flights in and out the airport will be resumed as normal. PAD which has seized the airport since last week will divide channels and space for passengers from the protesters.

The panel will examine assets inside and outside the airport to check if there was any damage before returning the areas to AOT.

Somkiat said he could not say for now when officially the airport will resume the service because he has to talk with other PAD's co-leaders.

Meanwhile Wutthipun said that AOT will jointly inspect the readiness of the airport with PAD as soon as possible.

"I think that Suvarnabhumi Airport will be able to be re-opened within 24 hours," he said. Referring to checkpoints set up by PAD at the entrances of the airport, AOT and PAD will jointly conduct the screening of passengers into the airport.

"First priority of the work is to clean all the passengers' buildings and to remove tones of garbages from the areas," he said.

Meanwhile an informed source said AOT told PAD that the airport should be resumed the service on December 3.

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watching BBC just now; they are saying passenger flights will start from midnight on Thursday night (mmm auspicious timing?).

Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that!

Now will have to see if they make their midnight Thursday deadline, but let's hope this is a first tentative step towards calm...

(and yes, Rob, submission of TF ministry thread to appropriate people? :lol: )

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Apparently not a single shop within the terminal has been touched by the protesters! Surprised and impressed by that!

my neighbour turn on ASTV almost 24 hours and i've heard that the leader (speaker) announce to their people that DO NOT touch those stuff 'cause in the shop they have camera and you'll get caught! lol :shock: :roll:

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