StevieJR Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Opinions...I for one am fuckin speechless !! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8214708.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_am_George Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Did we no invent Libya?? And Stevie, there already has been a whole thread about this ya poof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJR Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Did we no invent Libya?? And Stevie, there already has been a whole thread about this ya poof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm No offence mate but.......Do i have time to scroll every fuckin forum topic on TF ?? I just happened to come home after numerous amounts of Singha and feel the need to vent my anger to what i witnessed earlier today on Sky news... 200 plus lives lost and he gets 27 * years and returns home to a heroes welcome ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Did we no invent Libya?? And Stevie, there already has been a whole thread about this ya poof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm No offence mate but.......Do i have time to scroll every f*ckin forum topic on TF ?? I just happened to come home after numerous amounts of Singha and feel the need to vent my anger to what i witnessed earlier today on Sky news... 200 plus lives lost and he gets 27 * years and returns home to a heroes welcome ?? yes you do... :wink: Agree that the welcome, though predictable, was insensitive. Whether or not he was guilty, there should have been more thought put to the matter vis a vis his return. He may have to die without proving his innocence, but hundreds of families have to live without closure. Closure that may have been a step closer had he been well enough to survive through the appeals process and for more information to come to light. With this outcome, cui bono?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieJR Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Did we no invent Libya?? And Stevie, there already has been a whole thread about this ya poof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm No offence mate but.......Do i have time to scroll every f*ckin forum topic on TF ?? I just happened to come home after numerous amounts of Singha and feel the need to vent my anger to what i witnessed earlier today on Sky news... 200 plus lives lost and he gets 27 * years and returns home to a heroes welcome ?? yes you do... :wink: Agree that the welcome, though predictable, was insensitive. Whether or not he was guilty, there should have been more thought put to the matter vis a vis his return. He may have to die without proving his innocence, but hundreds of families have to live without closure. Closure that may have been a step closer had he been well enough to survive through the appeals process and for more information to come to light. With this outcome, cui bono?? No i don't, otherwise i would have seen the earlier poofy thread :wink: Agreed to your point about about him not having time to prove his innocence. as im sure there would have been more enlightening information when his next pointless appeal was set in motion. Pisses me off tho that as you say, the welcome was predictable and why the bold Kenny would take that decision.......After all he was tried and found guily of mass murder in CZ :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Why is everyone surprised ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Scotland flags everywhere too..............whats that all about!!! The Tartan Army use any excuse for a party Did we no invent Libya?? And Stevie, there already has been a whole thread about this ya poof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm No offence mate but.......Do i have time to scroll every f*ckin forum topic on TF ?? I just happened to come home after numerous amounts of Singha and feel the need to vent my anger to what i witnessed earlier today on Sky news... 200 plus lives lost and he gets 27 * years and returns home to a heroes welcome ?? yes you do... :wink: Agree that the welcome, though predictable, was insensitive. Whether or not he was guilty, there should have been more thought put to the matter vis a vis his return. He may have to die without proving his innocence, but hundreds of families have to live without closure. Closure that may have been a step closer had he been well enough to survive through the appeals process and for more information to come to light. With this outcome, cui bono?? No i don't, otherwise i would have seen the earlier poofy thread :wink: Agreed to your point about about him not having time to prove his innocence. as im sure there would have been more enlightening information when his next pointless appeal was set in motion. Pisses me off tho that as you say, the welcome was predictable and why the bold Kenny would take that decision.......After all he was tried and found guily of mass murder in CZ :roll: Think there were a lot of factors Stevie; I think MacAskill would have preferred a prisoner transfer, but the negotiations for that are done by Westminster, and they f*cked it up leaving Holyrood with only one choice really. And don't think the next appeal would have been so pointless; was a lot more information and questions. Gauci (the main witness) seems shady as f*ck and not reliable. Plus the UK wanted to suppress a lot of info for 'security purposes'. Why? Surely the truth is more desirable. I still favour an Iran/PFLP-GC involvement, but conjecture is useless now. I think that even if there was the loosest possible connection to Megrahi, they still had no choice as there was a lot that would have come out at next appeal that a lot of people wanted to stay unheard. I also don't think Megrahi wanted or asked for that return; that was a huge pr excercise, especially given Libya's impending 40th anniversary coup/revolution celebrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaBrotha Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Tasteless and Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalcat Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Im going to play devils advocate here: 1. Scenario one: An American imprisoned in North Korea that most people believe are false charges is released. Koreans think Americans are worse scum for welcoming them back home. 2. Scenario 2: (WWII tiems) A Russian partisan (Guerrilla Fighter) that blew up a Nazi train (with civilians) is released in the end of the war. He is hailed home as a hero. Just saying. To them he's a hero... whether they are brainwashed or just think he took a chunk out of the enemy and got away with it. Can you really blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Why is everyone surprised ? I'm not at all...it all figures doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 The news coverage today was pretty interesting. Now that Gaddafi has re-entered the international arena, words are his choice of weapons, and boy did he use them today. Having been filmed giving Megrahi a personal welcome, he went on to make a speech where he thanked Gordon Brown and the Queen for encouraging the Holyrood government to release Megrahi. He then went on to discuss the strong friendship and future trade links between the 2 countries. I would bet that the Washington-London phone lines were buzzing after that one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 those are some very good insensitive points.. I would love to see how you would play devils advocate for more mass murders like dahmer, or gacy... lets face it and be realistic the guy is no hero he's a zero and slipped through like so many others do... through a western court technicality..I wonder if there are any communist korean court technicalities? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 those are some very good insensitive points..I would love to see how you would play devils advocate for more mass murders like dahmer, or gacy... lets face it and be realistic the guy is no hero he's a zero and slipped through like so many others do... through a western court technicality..I wonder if there are any communist korean court technicalities? :roll: wasn't a technicality GK; it was compassionate release as he is likely to die in the next few months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 those are some very good insensitive points..I would love to see how you would play devils advocate for more mass murders like dahmer, or gacy... lets face it and be realistic the guy is no hero he's a zero and slipped through like so many others do... through a western court technicality..I wonder if there are any communist korean court technicalities? :roll: wasn't a technicality GK; it was compassionate release as he is likely to die in the next few months... ok Iain I do feel bad that the guy is terminally ill... but... what about the matter of all the other souls some that never got to see their 24th birthday because of this guy? I really wouldn't like to debate weither (compassionate) is an apple or an orange..let's face it if it was brit, yank,slav, russian,etc .etc. and they were in a libyan prision they would probably still be their waiting on the worms...I ask you the same question is there any korean court compassion releases going on the near future anytime soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 those are some very good insensitive points..I would love to see how you would play devils advocate for more mass murders like dahmer, or gacy... lets face it and be realistic the guy is no hero he's a zero and slipped through like so many others do... through a western court technicality..I wonder if there are any communist korean court technicalities? :roll: wasn't a technicality GK; it was compassionate release as he is likely to die in the next few months... ok Iain I do feel bad that the guy is terminally ill... but... what about the matter of all the other souls some that never got to see their 24th birthday because of this guy? I really wouldn't like to debate weither (compassionate) is an apple or an orange..let's face it if it was brit, yank,slav, russian,etc .etc. and they were in a libyan prision they would probably still be their waiting on the worms...I ask you the same question is there any korean court compassion releases going on the near future anytime soon? I never bloody mentioned Korea?? And because one country cannot show compassion should we all be heartless b*stards?? As I have said before, I have huge doubts as to his guilt. Unfortunately, it is doubtful the truth will come out now. The families of the victims cannot have closure and he has lost the chance to try and clear his name at appeal, and no matter what many believe, he will still die a guilty man. But...Megrahi himself aside, I have nothing but condemnation for the way the Libyan Government has turned his return into a huge pr exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 And because one country cannot show compassion should we all be heartless b*stards?? dude don't tell me this tell all the poor families that lost love ones this.. by the way this is like deja vu - If I can recall the discussion on Michael Jackson and people that had their doubts about him.. I guess this is a bit different tho....an apple and orange..right... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 And because one country cannot show compassion should we all be heartless b*stards?? dude don't tell me this tell all the poor families that lost love ones this.. by the way this is like deja vu - If I can recall the discussion on Michael Jackson and people that had their doubts about him.. I guess this is a bit different tho....an apple and orange..right... :roll: nope; there are definite similarities. What you also have to remember is that not ALL the families opposed his release; there are many who have doubted his conviction and have seen him as a scapegoat. But they had hoped for answers from the next appeal and they too have now been denied. Cui bono?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 nope; there are definite similarities. I will leave it at that..I believe I have said what was on my mind just like michael jackson the dude had his day in court. ironically the same court system that put him behind bars is releasing him so I suppose the point is moot anyway right.... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 nope; there are definite similarities. I will leave it at that..I believe I have said what was on my mind just like michael jackson the dude had his day in court. ironically the same court system that put him behind bars is releasing him so I suppose the point is moot anyway right.... :roll: ah...but wasn't a court who set him free GK - it was politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodKarma Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 nope; there are definite similarities. I will leave it at that..I believe I have said what was on my mind just like michael jackson the dude had his day in court. ironically the same court system that put him behind bars is releasing him so I suppose the point is moot anyway right.... :roll: ah...but wasn't a court who set him free GK - it was politicians. not sure how your system over there works. the courts and the political system usually have the same principle. if they the politicians have the authority to override the courts. then Anything that deals with laws has a commonality with the courts. politicians make the laws courts upheld them they are one in the same.. one can override the other checks n balances.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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