Hundreds die in Iran from Flu and Meningitis!

[CiaranM]

Iain, I agree somewhat. What turns my stomach is the defense of Hamas here. Yes, Israel crosses the line of destructive force many times. When you've been defending your people from decimation since the creation of your country, I would think that it would be difficult to be "proportionate" in response. What is proportionate to staving off Hamas is different than that which is "proportionate" to staving off Hamas with the support of every other Muslim Nation in the region.

If those critics of Israel spent half as much time condemning Hamas as they did Israel, I'd agree with you. Such is not the case. To many, Israel is wrong and Hamas is simply ignored. How many headlines do you see regarding Hamas shooting rockets into Israel. It's rare until Israel responds. At that time, the headlines are screaming not about Hamas shooting rockets but the Israeli response to the rocket attacks. How often is it front page news that hezbollah or hamas is killing Israelis. How often is it front page news that Israel is attacking.

Israel looks at these things historically. There have been other "wars of attrition" on the borders with Israel. That's exactly the reason that Israel took the Sinai and the Golan Heights. It's the same reason that Hezbollah took to attacking Israel from Lebanon. It's exactly the reason that Israel believes it needs the wall and land to separate them from the Palestinians.

Hezbollah attacks. Minimal headlines. The world barely notices and mostly only to shrug it's shoulders.

Hamas attacks. It's more of the same.

Israel retaliates. The world headlines explode. Front page news.

Now, I'm sure that those who abhor Israel will get on here and tell me I'm lying or I don't know what I'm talking about and that's fine by me. Insult away. In my opinion, this accommodation that the Left has made with Hamas and their ilk is tacit approval of the strategy of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran and their ilk. I think the same of the press and organizations such as Amnesty Int'l, etc.

If one is always condemning one side of a disagreement. Never condemning the other or doing so only half heartedly. One is in effect taking sides. There is no way around it.

what defense of Hamas ?? i haven't seen anybody here saying they think it's a good thing that Hamas fires rockets into Israel !!

but bear in mind Israel is illegally and in breach of international law occuppying Palestinian/Arab land. Israel is illegally and in breach of international law building settlements on this occuppied land .... now what exactly do u propose the Palestinians do while this stealing of their land goes on ?? if the US/EU/UN took a stand against this illegal occuppation i believe this would go a long way to helping solve the problems in this region. but they don't and Israel just goes ahead and does whatever the f**k it likes in the area ... and it does it with the support of the US administration. that's why Israel and the US get more criticism than anybody else.

[eagle]

L G wrote;

You have a funny habit of doing that Dave. You regularly accuse others of the conduct you engage in.

American republican , you can tell by the way he walks

dam liberals ......

American Imperialist -- I'd rather kill all whom I say are the enemy. Then turn in and take out those enemies.

All enemies foreign AND domestic...

kiss my a** killer Imperialist is the guy who wants to make everyone a democracy, you know the government that does the bidding of big business or who ever has the cash, so have at it hot dog.

[Mister Moobs]

what do you think the purpose of an American Empire would be.

Who do you think it would serve?

Same answer as who the UN would/does serve.

Commercial Interests, cronyism and nepotism (see Kofi Annan).

Ciaran, read rather than react. Your silence on the matter of Hamas as you trumpet any "crime" by Israel is tacit approval of the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah. That is my opinion. There are not many countries out there in the world who are not in breach of some "international law." The UN is toothless. Until such time as international law is universally recognized in a strict sense, it is useless.

The UN acts in contravention of it's own "international law." (see genocide and Oil for Food Scandal among others). Iraq was in breach of international law. Syria is in breach of international law with their support of Hezbollah and when they interfere in Lebonese politics, etc. Yet, I don't see you jumping on that one or screaming about Syria.

Spout international law all you want. But you are selective as most Arab despots and terrorists in how you want that law applied. Skewed against Israel while ignoring the transgressions of themselves.

[Mister Moobs]

US in Afghanistan failure warning

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8266072.stm

more anti-American drivel from the muzzie loving terrorist supporting BBC

These folks are merely echoing GEN McChrystal. GEN McChrystal is merely repeating what has been known for sometime. The Bush era strategy was not working. McChrystal has also state that "all is not lost" and "victory is still achieveable. That seems to be lost in all the gnashing of teeth by those of your political bent. You guys always seem to concentrate on the "losing" message. Like the good old days of the Cold War. Now a days, it seems that the Soviets weren't so bad. The gulags were a lie, the genocide, regicide, purges, pogroms and democide were all a lie and everyone had free health care, free University education and it was a great land of milk and honey. So say the great minds of TF.

Why are you now denying that which you so proudly proclaimed at one time, Neo? :wink:

USSR - 39,000,000

US - 0

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

what's that .... u can't ..... well there's a f**king surprise.

this Dave in essence is why it's impossible to take u seriously and makes u an object of ridicule rather than someone u can have a reasoned debate with .... u make up sh*t, lie and then accuse ppl of saying stuff they haven't said anywhere or anytime !!

and then best of all u quote stuff and provide links which f**king contradict what U r actually saying !!!!

but it's not all bad .... does give me something to laugh at from time to time !!

see Merriam-Webster: Hyperbole, Sarcasm

But you never use that tactic either do you? See Hypocrite

[Mister Moobs]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken. I can understand him defending the Ukraine and my remark was in no way directed at the post-Soviet government of the Ukraine. His becoming angry about a comment about the USSR is like me getting angry because someone made a disparaging remark about the British Empire circa 1770.

Then, you and the usual suspects jumped on the bandwagon. I can only take from comments made those who participated in the Great TF Soviet Worship that you were defending the Soviet Union. As you certainly weren't attacking it.

Then a couple of you went on about USSR - 1 USA - 0 etc, etc. Keeping some kind of silly fantasy score as if you were floating back to the halcyon days of yesteryear when the Great Bear of Stalinist Soviet Might cast it's shadow over the globe.

Deny it all you want...

Now, if you take everything that I post on here seriously then I must likewise take what you guys say as serious. Since I surely can't EVER be joking about something, I can only assume that you fellows are always serious when replying to me.

As I've said before, Ciaran, you can't have one without the other. Although, you seem to desire this.

[Neo]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

[Mister Moobs]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

The USSR no longer exists.

The USSR was on it's way out by the time DC was born unless he is a hell of a lot older than he looks. DC was around 10 years old when the USSR fell away and the Ukraine became independent of the USSR.

As for your usual nonsense. I have insulted no one. I have cursed at no one. Please explain. You believe that I deserve a yellowcard simply because I don't agree with you. Where have I crossed the line in any thread since I was last carded?

You are both lying and whining. Odd that it's ok when you do it but complain about others supposedly doing so.

[Stramash]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

hate to do this Neo, but YOU are wrong.

The Ukraine was not the USSR - the USSR was the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Ukraine's proper title pre independence was Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

(and no, you can't cheat and say the acronym is still USSR )

[Mister Moobs]

And walk up to a person from the Ukraine.

Ask them where they are from.

How many of them will say; "Well, I was from the Soviet Union but now I'm from the Ukraine."

I'd say exactly zero.

They will say that they are Ukrainian. Now you have some Russian residents of the Ukraine who were planted there by Lenin/Stalin and the USSR in order to plant the seed of Nationalist feelings towards Mother Russia and the Soviet Union in the Ukraine and the other areas taken by Soviet Union. Those folks will probably tell you that they are Russian.

But they are plants who were always loyal to Russia and not to the Ukraine. Party apparatchiks whose ancestors were planted in the Ukraine in order to subdue the local populace and make them more "Russian" than Ukrainian. The Soviet Union did the same thing throughout it's Empire. The Czars did this as well.

Exactly why did the Ukraine become a break away Republic? Was it because of their love of Mother Russia? I forget.

[iBatch]

DC!

Get yr pants on... and get in here asap.

Before i chew all my pop corn!

[Mister Moobs]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

hate to do this Neo, but YOU are wrong.

The Ukraine was not the USSR - the USSR was the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Ukraine's proper title pre independence was Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

(and no, you can't cheat and say the acronym is still USSR )

Aside from that, when speaking in terms of Global Politics, who thinks of the Ukraine when they use the letters USSR?

Perhaps a post Soviet Ukrainian political student but even they would understand that one was speaking of the Soviet Union by the context of the conversation.

The Ukraine and the US have never stared at each other across the Fulda Gap or Checkpoint Charlie, etc.

The USSR and the US have.

The Cold War was between the USSR and the USA. As in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Here's a funny one, though. When I tell someone to **** off, Neo thinks that I should be carded. When someone tells me to **** off, Neo thinks that I should be carded.

Now, Neo is going to ask me where he said this? lol

These guys never fail to crack me up.

[Neo]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

hate to do this Neo, but YOU are wrong.

The Ukraine was not the USSR - the USSR was the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Ukraine's proper title pre independence was Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

(and no, you can't cheat and say the acronym is still USSR )

The USSR was dissolved in 1991. The part of the USSR now known as the Ukraine became independent again in 1991. I think you were misled by my ambiguous wording, I mean that the Ukraine was part of the USSR but couldn't be bothered typing e v e r y s i n g l e c h a r a c t e r.

Apology accepted Iain 8)

[Stramash]

now apart from DC defended his home country u will now produce evidence of the great minds of TF saying all of this .... won't u !!!

DC was not defending his home country. i made no disparaging remark about the Ukraine. The comment that I made was directed at the USSR. DC went all crazy because I made an anti-Soviet remark. Why, I have no idea as the Soviet Union raped and pillaged the Ukraine for 70 years and left millions homeless and dead. To each his own, I suppose.

DC is from the Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken.

As usual Moobs is mistaken. If he knew anything about the USSR (which apparently he doesn't) he'd know that the land presently known as The Ukraine was the USSR while DC lived there. But let's not let the facts get in the way of the oh so funny humour and sarcasm. (lol)

So will DC get the apology he deserves? Will Davey get the card he deserves for the umpteenth thime? Stay tuned for more boredom and repetitive insults.

hate to do this Neo, but YOU are wrong.

The Ukraine was not the USSR - the USSR was the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Ukraine's proper title pre independence was Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

(and no, you can't cheat and say the acronym is still USSR )

The USSR was dissolved in 1991. The part of the USSR now known as the Ukraine became independent again in 1991. Apology accepted Iain 8)

:? :? :?

what apology??

You said The Ukraine was the USSR.

That is wrong.

It was part of the USSR, and still retained 'Ukrainian' in its actual name during the Soviet era

Your comment was like saying Florida is the USA.

Both entities were/are unions. The USA is of states, the USSR was of Soviet Republics.

Your apology accepted with thanks.

[Neo]

what apology??

You said The Ukraine was the USSR.

That is wrong.

It was part of the USSR, and still retained 'Ukrainian' in its actual name during the Soviet era

Your comment was like saying Florida is the USA.

Both entities were/are unions. The USA is of states, the USSR was of Soviet Republics.

Your apology accepted with thanks.

Ok ok, go back and read again.. I just clarified my post.

Jeez is Davey promised to be your gimp or what?

:wink:

[Stramash]

what apology??

You said The Ukraine was the USSR.

That is wrong.

It was part of the USSR, and still retained 'Ukrainian' in its actual name during the Soviet era

Your comment was like saying Florida is the USA.

Both entities were/are unions. The USA is of states, the USSR was of Soviet Republics.

Your apology accepted with thanks.

Ok ok, go back and read again.. I just clarified my post.

Jeez is Davey giving you free bj's or what?

:wink:

said it before; I don't take sides. I pick on very f*cker. :wink:

right, it's the turn of the Klansman...

:twisted:

[Hobbes]

Dave, just a small point.

Do you not think it is completely natural for people to be concerned about human rights abuse, torture, political corruption, discrimination etc etc etc in our OWN societies and countries more than those in others?

Do we not have to sort out our own systems so we really can hold them up to others as shining examples of how to be before we tell others to change?

It does not mean that those problems are ignored, it just means that our own are prioritised first.

I have yet to see someone post that they support Hamas, or the Taliban or the Wahabbis, yet because the liberals and loony left choose to concentrate on changing the systems they are a part of, and can seek to influence, you constantly seem to level this accusation.

We should sort out our own houses before preaching to others that they must change, especially if we are telling them to be 'more like us'.

Iain, I agree somewhat. What turns my stomach is the defense of Hamas here. Yes, Israel crosses the line of destructive force many times. When you've been defending your people from decimation since the creation of your country, I would think that it would be difficult to be "proportionate" in response. What is proportionate to staving off Hamas is different than that which is "proportionate" to staving off Hamas with the support of every other Muslim Nation in the region.

If those critics of Israel spent half as much time condemning Hamas as they did Israel, I'd agree with you. Such is not the case. To many, Israel is wrong and Hamas is simply ignored. How many headlines do you see regarding Hamas shooting rockets into Israel. It's rare until Israel responds. At that time, the headlines are screaming not about Hamas shooting rockets but the Israeli response to the rocket attacks. How often is it front page news that hezbollah or hamas is killing Israelis. How often is it front page news that Israel is attacking.

Israel looks at these things historically. There have been other "wars of attrition" on the borders with Israel. That's exactly the reason that Israel took the Sinai and the Golan Heights. It's the same reason that Hezbollah took to attacking Israel from Lebanon. It's exactly the reason that Israel believes it needs the wall and land to separate them from the Palestinians.

Hezbollah attacks. Minimal headlines. The world barely notices and mostly only to shrug it's shoulders.

Hamas attacks. It's more of the same.

Israel retaliates. The world headlines explode. Front page news.

Now, I'm sure that those who abhor Israel will get on here and tell me I'm lying or I don't know what I'm talking about and that's fine by me. Insult away. In my opinion, this accommodation that the Left has made with Hamas and their ilk is tacit approval of the strategy of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran and their ilk. I think the same of the press and organizations such as Amnesty Int'l, etc.

If one is always condemning one side of a disagreement. Never condemning the other or doing so only half heartedly. One is in effect taking sides. There is no way around it.

It's like saying that the Soviet Unions support of Egypt was not taking sides against Israel in the '73 War.

China wasn't taking sides with North Korea in '50 either.

Truman wasn't taking sides in '49 by not seeing Ho Chi Minh.

France wasn't taking sides in '76 by speaking out against British atrocities against America.

The US isn't taking sides when speaking out against atrocities in Iran.

Al Jazeera isn't taking sides showing the videos of the insurgency.

Carter wasn't taking sides by speaking out on behalf of the Shah in '78.

US citizens weren't taking sides by speaking out in support of Hitler in denying and covering up his actions. And some did.

The Western press wasn't taking sides in the 30s and 40s when they denied the effects of Stalin's programs and bought fully into the Soviet propaganda that covered up the Ukraine situation.

The Western Press wasn't taking sides when they wrote glowing reviews of Mao and downplayed his megalomania and genocidal tendencies.

The American press wasn't taking sides when they wrote of the savagery of the Indian Tribes in the West and glossed over the actions of US Gov't and it's Military Commanders.

I'm sorry but I don't buy it. When you make a conscious decision to attack one side while ignoring the actions of the other, you are acting in support of that other whether you want to conveniently blind yourself to that or not.

Yes, we need to clean up our own back yard and front yard as well. As you say that. I have to think that Europe is now perfect. As I find it odd that I read constant harping about America on here and rarely see a post about European countries and their problems. When I post something that concerns a problem in Europe, it's simply ignored as inconvenient or heads go swiftly into the sand.

The first post that I replied to here on TF was a post by an Austrian complaining about Americans and it's been pretty non-stop since I've been here. Yet, I am supposed to believe that there is no anti-American sentiment on TF. If it is "natural for people to be concerned about human rights abuse, torture, political corruption, discrimination etc etc etc in our OWN societies and countries more than those in others" then guys like Hobbes, beej, Neo and a few others think that it the US is their own society. Even to the extent of disregarding their immediate States. Unless Germany, France/Britain (wherever beej is from) and NZ have reached National Nirvana and Social-Welfare Utopia.

I posted an article about Europe companies being in worse financial state and in more debt than British and US companies. It was ignored. Now, if that article had stated the opposite, the Euros of the board would have jumped all over it whilst stating the superiority of the Euro Social Welfare system. :wink:

Now, I'm certain that this will be met with the accusations of whinging and whining. Fine. As you wish (not you Iain).

I'm used to the double standard by now. :wink:

For starters, Hamas won a democratic election in which the Palestinian people chose Hamas over the corrupt Fatah to represent them. Those elections were as democratic and fair as any that oh, so democratic Israel held. Now, you can hate them for being muslim extremists all you want but it's nobodies business who the people of Palestine elect as their government except for the Palestinians. I have no issues with whomever they are electing because it has nothing to do with me. So, how about accepting the democratic will of a people for a change Mr. oh-so-fed-up-by-double-standards?! :roll:

Nothing Israel has done in 'their' defense as far back as I can remember has ever been proportionate. And frankly why should they observe any rules and international laws with Uncle Sam holding his hand over them come what may and anybody daring enough to criticize quickly being brandished as an anti-Semite. Of course when even Jewish reservist refuse to serve in the occupied territories or speak out about the institutional human rights violations they have witnessed or committed then things become a tad more difficult to keep the lid on.

As for you accusations the media always get in a frenzy over anything poor, defenseless Israel does whilst never ever speaking out against those evil Hamas bullyboys, well here is a little insight. Launching a handful of guttering pipes with spoilers on into fields in the middle-of-nowhere-specific-in-the-holy-land that may or may not go kaboom (feck, as teenagers we built some 'rockets' that had more oomph than what I have seen of those Hamas devices) isn't exactly earth-shattering news by any magnitude. Except, of course, if you desperately need some propaganda to justify your 'proportionate' response.

Raining down white phosphor on densely populated areas, shelling UN compounds full of women and children trying to escape the mayhem and terror and killing in a few weeks over a thousand civilians does, on the other hand, sound like the sort of news that would make the headlines.

Maybe the IDF should stop any of those pesky journalists reporting from their 'little' excursions and shoot a few for good measure...oh, hang on...they already have tried that. :shock:

The report of Justice Goldstone, by that so-bloody-useless-UN-Human-Rights-council no less, on the war crimes committed in the Gaza does finger both IDF and Hamas for the atrocities they have committed. Where is that please being one-sided? If it was such a Hamas whitewash, why are they so upset about the report? :roll:

No worries, I don't expect you to come with facts or some sensible arguments. I know that must go completely against your nature. :roll:

:salute:

[Mister Moobs]

The report of Justice Goldstone, by that so-bloody-useless-UN-Human-Rights-council no less, on the war crimes committed in the Gaza does finger both IDF and Hamas for the atrocities they have committed. Where is that please being one-sided? If it was such a Hamas whitewash, why are they so upset about the report? :roll:

And Hamas let's journalists roam freely during their dealings. Open and transparent. I'm sure.

We'll see which part of any report involving Israel gets the most scrutiny and which parts are for the most part ignored.

[CiaranM]

The report of Justice Goldstone, by that so-bloody-useless-UN-Human-Rights-council no less, on the war crimes committed in the Gaza does finger both IDF and Hamas for the atrocities they have committed. Where is that please being one-sided? If it was such a Hamas whitewash, why are they so upset about the report? :roll:

And Hamas let's journalists roam freely during their dealings. Open and transparent. I'm sure.

We'll see which part of any report involving Israel gets the most scrutiny and which parts are for the most part ignored.

Hamas allowed journalists in Israel didn't .... okie dokie ????

[CiaranM]

Ciaran, read rather than react. Your silence on the matter of Hamas as you trumpet any "crime" by Israel is tacit approval of the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah. That is my opinion. There are not many countries out there in the world who are not in breach of some "international law." The UN is toothless. Until such time as international law is universally recognized in a strict sense, it is useless.

The UN acts in contravention of it's own "international law." (see genocide and Oil for Food Scandal among others). Iraq was in breach of international law. Syria is in breach of international law with their support of Hezbollah and when they interfere in Lebonese politics, etc. Yet, I don't see you jumping on that one or screaming about Syria.

Spout international law all you want. But you are selective as most Arab despots and terrorists in how you want that law applied. Skewed against Israel while ignoring the transgressions of themselves.

complete and utter bollocks once again ... but by now i shouldn't be surprised and i'm not. u really really don't have a f**king clue do u !!! i have criticized Hamas firing rockets into Israel, but i have also said that it is a result of Israels occuppation of THEIR land and a result of Israels continued building of settlements on Palestinian/Arab land !!!

as regards Iraq and Syria the UN/International community were taking action against those countries in the form of sanctions and are also doing so (or threatening to) in the cases of Iran and North Korea.

so where's the f**king sanctions against Israel ? what other country is currently illegally occuppying another ppl's land ? what other country is illegally building settlements on another ppl's land ??

so how does the US deal with this ?? by f**king giving Israel more aid than any other country ... that's f**king how .... and that sickens me !!!

give billions of dollars EVERY f**king year to a racist apartheid regime that massacres unarmed men, women and children .... nice one Moobsie !!!

is that what u support ?????