eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. Natives of the US are taught they come from the stars. Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Too much Erik Von Daniken too much boring TF threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. Natives of the US are taught they come from the stars. Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? i think the whole alien thing makes a lot of sense.... if you do enough crack. yeah humans came from space? then what about chimpanzees? 98 percent or so of the same DNA. bananas, too, share a lot of the same DNA. does this suggest common ancestry? or did the aliens tamper with their own DNA to "fit in" so as to fool their descendants? or is it just a coincidence (hint if you think it's a coincidence, and that our body plan and body chemistry are inevitable, turn off the TV and stop watching bad science fiction). although it is entirely possible that we're ALL 'aliens'--from homo sapiens to the simplest one celled life--as there is some speculation (and a faint hint of evidence) that some or all of the basic amino acids (self-replicating proteins) might have come from space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Did you miss me? not really. but don't let that stop you from convincing yourself that the website barely exists when you're gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. Natives of the US are taught they come from the stars. Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? i think the whole alien thing makes a lot of sense.... if you do enough crack. yeah humans came from space? then what about chimpanzees? 98 percent or so of the same DNA. bananas, too, share a lot of the same DNA. does this suggest common ancestry? or did the aliens tamper with their own DNA to "fit in" so as to fool their descendants? or is it just a coincidence (hint if you think it's a coincidence, and that our body plan and body chemistry are inevitable, turn off the TV and stop watching bad science fiction). although it is entirely possible that we're ALL 'aliens'--from homo sapiens to the simplest one celled life--as there is some speculation (and a faint hint of evidence) that some or all of the basic amino acids (self-replicating proteins) might have come from space... Well thats the college hypothesis, but where did mans self awareness come from. Did we evolve into self absorded droids also. I prefer the came from space to the molded from clay by the hands of god theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 So what planet are you from or are you just another chimp? it's clear that you didnt spend your time away from TF coming up with anything funny or smart or interesting. keep up the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. Natives of the US are taught they come from the stars. Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? i think the whole alien thing makes a lot of sense.... if you do enough crack. yeah humans came from space? then what about chimpanzees? 98 percent or so of the same DNA. bananas, too, share a lot of the same DNA. does this suggest common ancestry? or did the aliens tamper with their own DNA to "fit in" so as to fool their descendants? or is it just a coincidence (hint if you think it's a coincidence, and that our body plan and body chemistry are inevitable, turn off the TV and stop watching bad science fiction). although it is entirely possible that we're ALL 'aliens'--from homo sapiens to the simplest one celled life--as there is some speculation (and a faint hint of evidence) that some or all of the basic amino acids (self-replicating proteins) might have come from space... Well thats the college hypothesis, but where did mans self awareness come from. Did we evolve into self absorded droids also. I prefer the came from space to the molded from clay by the hands of god theory college hypothesis, right. i forget that anything involves actual scientists practicing science must somehow be bogus. especially if it's taught in college. 'man's self awareness'---ah,, from having a big brain maybe? you seem to blissfully skip over the all that inconvenient matching DNA. WELCOME BACK SCUTFARGUS! i missed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. Natives of the US are taught they come from the stars. Any references to Aliens in Asian history ? i think the whole alien thing makes a lot of sense.... if you do enough crack. yeah humans came from space? then what about chimpanzees? 98 percent or so of the same DNA. bananas, too, share a lot of the same DNA. does this suggest common ancestry? or did the aliens tamper with their own DNA to "fit in" so as to fool their descendants? or is it just a coincidence (hint if you think it's a coincidence, and that our body plan and body chemistry are inevitable, turn off the TV and stop watching bad science fiction). although it is entirely possible that we're ALL 'aliens'--from homo sapiens to the simplest one celled life--as there is some speculation (and a faint hint of evidence) that some or all of the basic amino acids (self-replicating proteins) might have come from space... Well thats the college hypothesis, but where did mans self awareness come from. Did we evolve into self absorded droids also. I prefer the came from space to the molded from clay by the hands of god theory college hypothesis, right. i forget that anything involves actual scientists practicing science must somehow be bogus. especially if it's taught in college. 'man's self awareness'---ah,, from having a big brain maybe? you seem to blissfully skip over the all that inconvenient matching DNA. WELCOME BACK SCUTFARGUS! i missed you. Hang on there I didn't say your reference was bogus but coming from educated guessers doesn't make it the end of the debate either. Whales have brains many times human size and some "scientists" think they could be more evolved the humans. Man being a big monkey I can accept but the many references to Aliens in the lore of ancient cultures or appearing to refer to aliens anyway makes me wonder. The actual question that I asked was are there any references to Aliens in Asian history. Some parts of the Vedas seem to represent alien crafts as do many cultures around the world. So any reference to aliens in Thailands old myths ? Big brains people have but use them they don't :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hang on there I didn't say your reference was bogus but coming from educated guessers doesn't make it the end of the debate either. Whales have brains many times human size and some "scientists" think they could be more evolved the humans. Man being a big monkey I can accept but the many references to Aliens in the lore of ancient cultures or appearing to refer to aliens anyway makes me wonder. The actual question that I asked was are there any references to Aliens in Asian history. Some parts of the Vedas seem to represent alien crafts as do many cultures around the world. So any reference to aliens in Thailands old myths ? Big brains people have but use them they don't :roll: actually people do use their big brains, you're jumping to the conclusion that big brains are FOR something, such as prudently using the planet. big brains DO things like speak and hear sophisticated language and visually represent the world (most of our vision takes place in the brain, our eyes aren't more sophisticated than other animals, but our vision seems to be)... what exactly does "more evolved" mean? and why is "scientists" in quotes, do you mean to imply that "scientists" are a dubious lot, or that your sources are questionable? or is it just coz i used the word "scientists" instead of naming them by specialization? but the many references to Aliens in the lore of ancient cultures or appearing to refer to aliens anyway makes me wonder. seems to me scutfargus had some pretty good references to God from the bible, if ancient texts are admissible as physical evidence. and the bible doesn't "seem to represent' God it flat out refers to God. in what way is this Erich von Daniken stuff different, except that it requires trimming old myths and art into a convenient, modern UFO myth rather than reading the text literally? and if man is from space, and nothing else is, you still have meticulously avoided the DNA match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hang on there I didn't say your reference was bogus but coming from educated guessers doesn't make it the end of the debate either. Whales have brains many times human size and some "scientists" think they could be more evolved the humans. Man being a big monkey I can accept but the many references to Aliens in the lore of ancient cultures or appearing to refer to aliens anyway makes me wonder. The actual question that I asked was are there any references to Aliens in Asian history. Some parts of the Vedas seem to represent alien crafts as do many cultures around the world. So any reference to aliens in Thailands old myths ? Big brains people have but use them they don't :roll: actually people do use their big brains, you're jumping to the conclusion that big brains are FOR something, such as prudently using the planet. big brains DO things like speak and hear sophisticated language and visually represent the world (most of our vision takes place in the brain, our eyes aren't more sophisticated than other animals, but our vision seems to be)... what exactly does "more evolved" mean? and why is "scientists" in quotes, do you mean to imply that "scientists" are a dubious lot, or that your sources are questionable? or is it just coz i used the word "scientists" instead of naming them by specialization? but the many references to Aliens in the lore of ancient cultures or appearing to refer to aliens anyway makes me wonder. seems to me scutfargus had some pretty good references to God from the bible, if ancient texts are admissible as physical evidence. and the bible doesn't "seem to represent' God it flat out refers to God. in what way is this Erich von Daniken stuff different, except that it requires trimming old myths and art into a convenient, modern UFO myth rather than reading the text literally? and if man is from space, and nothing else is, you still have meticulously avoided the DNA match. I'm not making any absolutes just asking questions. Even Scientists look beyond physical evidence. Its been proposed that there exists an infinite number of universes in the space we occupy. And that is supported using Quantom Physics. Science and science fiction are not so far apart anymore. I'm not avoiding anything or I would avoid your platonic smashes to the skull I know what scientist say and they get proven wrong again and again. So any references to Aliens in Thalands Myths? YOU read religious texts literally? so does the Bible belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyboy112003 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Sorry Eagle, i fail to see where this is a "problem" lol Moved to general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Sorry Eagle, i fail to see where this is a "problem" lolMoved to general. I posted off another Alien reference you can move it anywhere ya want Bobby but can someone answer my Question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm not making any absolutes just asking questions. questions is good. Even Scientists look beyond physical evidence. whaaaat?? what does that sentence even mean? if they are looking beyond physical evidence, then they are doing something, but it is not science. what they do over beers is their business, but if the statement cannot be falsified using physical evidence, then whatever it is, it certainly isn't science. Its been proposed that there exists an infinite number of universes in the space we occupy. And that is supported using Quantom Physics. Science and science fiction are not so far apart anymore. and this has been proposed based on physical evidence. exactly where do you see scientists looking beyond physical evidence? I'm not avoiding anything or I would avoid your platonic smashes to the skull I know what scientist say and they get proven wrong again and again. of course they do, that is what science is ABOUT. the short version, is that science is about making statements that CAN be proven wrong by EVIDENCE (unlike pretty much every other field of human endeavor). often beautiful theories are trashed by ugly facts. there's politics, bullshit, backbiting, all the usual charming human practices involved in doing science, but at the end of the day if a statement is not testable it is at best beyond the scope of science (and at worse utter horseshit). certain things like the acceleration of gravity for example have failed to be proven wrong so many times that they are accepted as fact. other things are speculative and based on scant evidence--like most theories of WHY our brains got bigger after we split with the chimps. seems to me if you're going to posit a theory with any alleged reference to the real world about how humans were dumped here by UFOs, you have the same problem as the god squad--explain why our DNA matches, explain the fossils we have that seem to indicate otherwise, etc. YOU read religious texts literally? so does the Bible belt YOU missed the line of argument entirely. i said such a reading is as valid as your cullling evidence for space aliens from myths. if you're going to say there are space aliens coz of pictographs on the pyramids, you might as well take the bible literally. can i get an amen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaswd Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 certain things like the acceleration of gravity for example have failed to be proven wrong so many times that they are accepted as fact. other things are speculative and based on scant evidence--like most theories of WHY our brains got bigger after we split with the chimps... Now we bring in David Hopkins and his theory of chaos math...Oops, some our constants have just taken a sh*t kicking...Universl Gravity is one example using the chaos applications that show it is no longer a constant. So, in agreement with Zues man, Science is constantly evolving just like we are. Maybe one day science will prove that we are from somewhere else; however, I highly doubt that because of the gene and DNA evidence clearly demonstraits that all livivng things on our planet are interconnected in someway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I ment that scientist are looking beyond what they have found and your right Zeus they do require pysical evidence so that did sound prepostorous of me to say. I know Man being Alien is a wacky concept but man is sure making a mess of the food trough called earth. So any reference to Aliens in Old Thailand myths or legends ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 When I was youngster I did read a lot of books about man who's name is Erich Von Daniken - he tried prove that Aliens have been visited on the earth past history and we still have many kind of proves about it everywhere in myth, historical stories, archeologist parts etc etcLater around 1988 this own path walker was claimed to be swindler by scientist. Even so it gave interesting way to look at this little planet evolution, myth and history of religios. Yes thats the Idea now I am wondering if anyone has heard these stories in or about Thailand? Like aliens built the temple or Aliens visted Pataya or something. that should leave it open so at least i get a response to the question :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Zeus wrote YOU missed the line of argument entirely. i said such a reading is as valid as your cullling evidence for space aliens from myths. if you're going to say there are space aliens coz of pictographs on the pyramids, you might as well take the bible literally. can i get an amen... My original question was do you know of any Alien stories in Thailand. I do find it fascinating that Aliens in flying machines seem to be represented in so many places around the globe. Makes a great Unsolved Mysteries show if nothing else. I wasn't trying to argue just ask a question. No DNA evidence is required for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 When I was youngster I did read a lot of books about man who's name is Erich Von Daniken - he tried prove that Aliens have been visited on the earth past history and we still have many kind of proves about it everywhere in myth, historical stories, archeologist parts etc etcLater around 1988 this own path walker was claimed to be swindler by scientist. Even so it gave interesting way to look at this little planet evolution, myth and history of religios. Yes thats the Idea now I am wondering if anyone has heard these stories in or about Thailand? Like aliens built the temple or Aliens visted Pataya or something. that should leave it open so at least i get a response to the question :shock: How about TF community ? Alien invasion trought the web site to effect peoples mind... You could very well be on to something. Lured by the Beauties for experiments. :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaswd Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 certain things like the acceleration of gravity for example have failed to be proven wrong so many times that they are accepted as fact. other things are speculative and based on scant evidence--like most theories of WHY our brains got bigger after we split with the chimps... Now we bring in David Hopkins and his theory of chaos math...Oops, some our constants have just taken a sh*t kicking...Universl Gravity is one example using the chaos applications that show it is no longer a constant. So, in agreement with Zues man, Science is constantly evolving just like we are. Maybe one day science will prove that we are from somewhere else; however, I highly doubt that because of the gene and DNA evidence clearly demonstraits that all livivng things on our planet are interconnected in someway... Even in this, sometimes so chaos theory base for the constants: PHI 1.618 is one of the number. If we tracking deeper and deeper, we can find order in chaos. I must agree...This is what I love about the chaos theories and proofs...It constantly pushes us to evolve and find the answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie36 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Well thats the college hypothesis, but where did mans self awareness come from. Well self-awareness is not unique to man. A simple 'self-awareness' test is to see if an animal recognises itself in a mirror. If you do ...you are 'self aware'. Chimpanzees and some dolphins are able to recognise themselves. There are some fairly credible theories as to how our self-consciousness evolved. By the age of 3 or 4 a child learns to mimic the thoughts of others. In other words think what other people are thinking - there are some fairly simple tests that prove this (Sally-Ann test for one). Our self consiousness is really only a by-product of this. In other words when you look in the mirror and ask yourself 'do I like good?', you are really asking 'do i think that other people think that I look good'. Your self-consciousness or ego is really just a sum of what you consider other peoples perception is of you. Now of course we cant rule out the possibility that we are descended from martians but when you hear clip-clopping in the street it is best to assume it is a horse rather than a zebra or a unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry Eagle, i fail to see where this is a "problem" lolMoved to general. actually there are philosophical problems being touched on--limits of knowledge, what qualifies as knowledge, phillosophy of science... of course you can stick with your puny, narrow-minded definition of "problem" as a glitch or bug in the website. next you'll be saying there's only one correct spelling for any given word :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Zeus wroteYOU missed the line of argument entirely. i said such a reading is as valid as your cullling evidence for space aliens from myths. if you're going to say there are space aliens coz of pictographs on the pyramids, you might as well take the bible literally. can i get an amen... My original question was do you know of any Alien stories in Thailand. I do find it fascinating that Aliens in flying machines seem to be represented in so many places around the globe. Makes a great Unsolved Mysteries show if nothing else. I wasn't trying to argue just ask a question. No DNA evidence is required for that well it is an interesting question, but when you make an assertion like: Humans just don't seem to fit in like the rest of the animals. Its been suggested that humans came from out in space and settled on this planet. I tend to believe this view. in a public forum, you just aserted a theory about the world, and made claims not only that it might be true but that you believe it to be true. did you really expect no one would question it? and if you then dont' address the discrepancies i raise between your theory and the evidence all around us about how the world most likely works, do you really expect me to not question the credibility of your assertion, and even laugh at it? scutfargus' started from the assumption that everything in his particular version of the bible (the only correct version, according to him, if i recall) is true, and that this text overrides physical evidence that may contradict it. can you explain to me why evidence found in myths and old drawings is more credible than, say, genetics or fossils? seems to me you're saying basically the same thing--if textual evidence contradicts physical evidence, then the text wins. although it would be interesting to see if there are any little green men in thai folklore... i dont have a problem with the question, just the first part of your initial statement, which i think is, um... honestly? laughable, at best. people around here are fond of saying everyone's entitled to an opinion, presumably i'm included in 'everyone', and that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 So any reference to Aliens in Old Thailand myths or legends ????????? i expect you will find the answer to your question, and many more, on page 18... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Well self-awareness is not unique to man. A simple 'self-awareness' test is to see if an animal recognises itself in a mirror. If you do ...you are 'self aware'. Chimpanzees and some dolphins are able to recognise themselves. There are some fairly credible theories as to how our self-consciousness evolved. ... Self-awereness? Nothing can be aware of itself ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Of course it can. "It" can? Sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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