Mikee_Moose Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Due to bad taste...the post has been removed. Khun Lung's point is right. Far too public a place for such a photo/topic. Apologies. :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 no mate....not funny...... i've got perfectly good muslim mates.....who haven't gone over the top with those cartoons .....but they don't need you further taking the piss at their plight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khun_lung Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 The Muslim religion prohibits any depiction of the Prophet Mohammad. That's why the cartoon thing got so blown out of proportion. In due respect, and realizing full well that your post was meant to be humorous, I suggest that you delete your enrty in respect to those who may be offended. There are indeed some TF members who are Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 A rather classic, if not controversial T-shirt. I dare you to wear this in Pattani province... wrong number... wrong number biii1g time b3llo! 8) :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 And what 'plight' might that be!!? being the arse end of your insensitive jokes.....while its a tiny minority of them involved in "terrorism" (dare I say "freedom fighting") in places like Iraq , Palenstine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborz Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Yea well maybe that discussion should be kept for the politics forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Yes ,Praise Allah, I agree !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee_Moose Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 S-Plutonium: I dont want to inflame the discussion much more, since you are clearly quite sensitive about it, however, I have a question for you (and others in the post). My question is this: Although it is only a tiny group of of Muslims engaged in this battle, my understanding is that more are joining the cause and more of these are joining so that they too can blow themselves up as martyrs to get a fastrack entry into Heaven. Furthermore, although I dont read every newspaper in the world, I have not seen any news articles where the great majority of decent Muslims have stood up against terrorist behavior in an organised fashion and on a regular basis. Does this mean that they tacitly support these activities? Why dont they band together with the rest of the world who oppose terrorism and help to stamp it out, if anything to maintain the good image of the worlds largest religion. What is that old saying about good men doing nothing? I cant recall just now. Again, the image that comes across is that that when something insulting happens to Islam (i.e. the recent cartoons) all the good Muslims come out of the closet screaming and yelling but when the terrorists detonate bombs murdering innocent ppl...these same good Muslims are curiously quiet. Anyhow, I am not trying to raise your hackles but I would like some clarity on this issue. Perhaps from your standpoint. Personally, I think that the Palestinians are being screwed and they deserve a homeland. And this issue appears to be the main catalyst for all this terrorist madness. I say, give it to them. My other "dream" we shall call it, it for the Holy city of Jerusalem to be taken away from the Isrealis and put into UN hands and designated a city of the world, belonging to no one country or religion. :idea: :arrow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Yea well maybe that discussion should be kept for the politics forum. wherever it started, the careful observer will note that this thread is now in 'religion and philosophy' as good a place as any for topics related to islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Although it is only a tiny group of of Muslims engaged in this battle, my understanding is that more are joining the cause and more of these are joining so that they too can blow themselves up as martyrs to get a fastrack entry into Heaven. gross oversimplification. Furthermore, although I dont read every newspaper in the world, I have not seen any news articles where the great majority of decent Muslims have stood up against terrorist behavior in an organised fashion and on a regular basis. fair observation, a very real problem. Does this mean that they tacitly support these activities? probably not, unless you believe that every german in the early 1940s was tacitly a nazi. Why dont they band together with the rest of the world who oppose terrorism and help to stamp it out, if anything to maintain the good image of the worlds largest religion. What is that old saying about good men doing nothing? I cant recall just now. Again, the image that comes across is that that when something insulting happens to Islam (i.e. the recent cartoons) all the good Muslims come out of the closet screaming and yelling but when the terrorists detonate bombs murdering innocent ppl...these same good Muslims are curiously quiet. by the same token all the good christians have tended to be stone silent when non-terrorist muslims have been massacred in places like palestine and iraq... not saying that they're right just that it's complicated and there is another side to this. on of my good friends from film school is an israeli arab (not religious). the arab perspective on recent history is starkly different to say the least and not limited to places like palestine and iraq. i'm not an expert and i'm lazy so i wont put words in their mouths though. Personally, I think that the Palestinians are being screwed and they deserve a homeland. And this issue appears to be the main catalyst for all this terrorist madness. I say, give it to them. well if that gets sorted then we have the small matter of the US occupying iraq. but yeah i think some fairness in dealing with the middle east would dramatically reduce the number of people willing to be suicide bombers. but the problems go both ways. it's complicated. My other "dream" we shall call it, it for the Holy city of Jerusalem to be taken away from the Isrealis and put into UN hands and designated a city of the world, belonging to no one country or religion. :idea: :arrow: i think it would be a great idea if the israelis would make such a 'free zone' of it, but i dont think forcible intervention against israel is fair, just or a good idea. but it would be great if *they* would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankenburner2 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I have not seen any news articles where the great majority of decent Muslims have stood up against terrorist behavior in an organised fashion and on a regular basis......... What is that old saying about good men doing nothing? i think that's an interesting point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I have not seen any news articles where the great majority of decent Muslims have stood up against terrorist behavior in an organised fashion and on a regular basis......... What is that old saying about good men doing nothing? i think that's an interesting point.... I saw a show with major Muslim leaders condeming violence but I watch alternative media and I'm not sure if it made it main stream. I'm not saying there isn't any but there is some speaking out against violence. Seeing religion used to push people to violence makes me want to :twisted: oops there I go control control :shock: I mean self control self control :roll: Christians get pushed to violence at abortion clinics so its not just muslims who suffer from religion abuse :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I always thought...if the americvan foreign policy in the middle east was ever about helping people....they would be dropping dollars ...and not bombs.....in fact....if they dropped the same ammount of money into Iraq as the cost of the war....I can promise you....America would be every Iraqi's best buddy.... no one would be lining up to suicide bomb westerners in the name of "jihad"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 ....I can promise you....America would be every Iraqi's best buddy....no one would be lining up to suicide bomb westerners in the name of "jihad"... Only partly true ? People with common sense can be convinced with goodwill, but fanatics can?t. Religious fanaticism cannot be subdued or compensated by anything ?worldly?. They have submitted themselves to something (?God?) that in their minds transcends everything. Most become so single-minded that nothing except dying for their ideal makes sense ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I always thought...if the americvan foreign policy in the middle east was ever about helping people....they would be dropping dollars ...and not bombs.....in fact....if they dropped the same ammount of money into Iraq as the cost of the war....I can promise you....America would be every Iraqi's best buddy....no one would be lining up to suicide bomb westerners in the name of "jihad"... Sad thing is they do give Billions of dollars to many countries, but it only trickles down to the people and then the US has economic sway over the countries politics and sqeezes them like Tony Soprano :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Most become so single-minded that nothing except dying for their ideal makes sense ? nothing has served to make more single -minded muslim extremists than america's bullshit war on Iraq..... I can promise you,.....if someone so blatently manufactured some reasons to invade my country ......I would be the first with petrol bombs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hmm at over 60$ a barrel i would be a bit hesitant.Must be a cheaper way to blow someone up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0nmaster Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hmm at over 60$ a barrel i would be a bit hesitant.Must be a cheaper way to blow someone up? aaaah...but the beautiful irony ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I can promise you,.....if someone so blatently manufactured some reasons to invade my country ......I would be the first with petrol bombs..... I trust you'll do. But it?s more than just the US being an aggressive state ? It?s a strange thing that religious fanaticism is always associated with a very deep hate for the world. It?s very deep and existential hate. It?s hate in its most destructive manifestation. And this hate is always directed against someone or something. And yes, the US is so kind to play that role ? But they are not the cause for that religious fanaticism. They only attract it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I can promise you,.....if someone so blatently manufactured some reasons to invade my country ......I would be the first with petrol bombs..... I trust you'll do. But it?s more than just the US being an aggressive state ? It?s a strange thing that religious fanaticism is always associated with a very deep hate for the world. It?s very deep and existential hate. It?s hate in its most destructive manifestation. And this hate is always directed against someone or something. And yes, the US is so kind to play that role ? But they are not the cause for that religious fanaticism. They only attract it . they ( the military Industrial complex ) uses the fanatics to gain support for their own objectives. Religion leads people and thats control. Mass manipulation in the name of God, Allah, Jesus who ever gets people behind your objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 That is right. Both sides of the duality will take advantage of everything they can in order to "prevail". But my point is, they did not create each other ... they are spontaneoulsy attracted to each other ... and they are simply perfect for each other's purposes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 That is right. Both sides of the duality will take advantage of everything they can in order to "prevail". But my point is, they did not create each other ... they are spontaneoulsy attracted to each other ... and they are simply perfect for each other's purposes ... Back to the crusades but wait its still the same crusade over and over :twisted: :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Back to the crusades but wait its still the same crusade over and over :twisted: :roll: yes, it is that simple ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldMember Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 they ( the military Industrial complex ) uses the fanatics to gain support for their own objectives. Religion leads people and thats control. Mass manipulation in the name of God, Allah, Jesus who ever gets people behind your objectives. But surely it's in the best interests of mankind to let people be manipulated and controlled rather than be let free and quite literally do as they please(very possible in the myriad of countries under weak governorship).You would potentially have a couple of billion uneducated peasants/factory workers/unemployed on the rampage. Religion,by and large ,despite insurgency by a tiny minority,is at least is quite an effective device for maintaining law and order? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttesta Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Religion,by and large ,despite insurgency by a tiny minority,is at least is quite an effective device for maintaining law and order? Just a thought... Right. You should never forget that the founders of the major religions in the world lived in eras of total chaos and lack of civilization. Just to give you an idea, Jesus who said "love your enemy", that must have been outrageous!!! But they were also smart guys. They understood that it is simply impossible to teach people anything that opposes the natural tendencies of their minds (which is basically chaos and violence). Therefore, they linked religious aspects (about God, etc?) with rules of behaviour. They, without exception laid down their ideas in a set of do?s and don?ts (even Hinduism and Buddhism). So, religion it is not just a device to maintain law and order, it is the other way round. Out of religion grows law and order ? The association of ?good? behaviour with the most frightening of all experiences ?death- is just brilliant. Only fear can change the human mind ? and that is exactly what religion is doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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