zeusbheld Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 older buildings full of not so fire retardant fixtures and fittings Actually it was and the steel was "fire proof" ....doesn't matter anyway as the jet fuel couldn't burn hot enough to melt the steel.. your assumption that the steel would have to melt proves you know NOTHING ABOUT STEEL. seems pretty obvious you don't know much about how the wtc was constructed, how that differs from other glass box towers, etc. either. however, why should i listen to architects when *you* have all the answers? :roll: possible thermite/thermate and explosives involved.. thermite leaves evidence. where was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 So I guess tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning for 1 whole hour aired by a nice 80 floor breeze that would easily reach 2000 degrees? You cant tell me thats not going to weaken a structure supporting 20+ floors above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 So where in your educated opinion would these ''bombs'' be placed to bring down a 110 story building like that? the basement and allong the steel structural supports, as with any controlled demolition.......it might be thermite used that "cut" the steel too.....this is problematic in anyway ..what's problematic to many people is the suggestion that these things weren't used .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 A whole damn plane crashed into the building then EXPOLDED before burning for 1 hour fueled with 24,000 gallons of jet liner fuel. I'd like to see any 40 year old building supporting 20 floors deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 come on slurms... you obviously haven't read (or understood) what i've written... you come on Zeus...you've throw insults around proposing I'm crazy to question this....but given the too hypothesis you can't tell me why it's crazy ? lemme see... it's alright for you, and only you, to throw insults around. got it. lemme see... you don't read my posts, let alone answer issues i've raised, and i'm supposed to answer your questions? got it. no wonder you like dogs. sadly for you, humans aren't as trainable. Or can you ? If I'm mentally ill I'd like to know . suuure you'd like to know. but why bother posting? you're not likely to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 come on slurms... you obviously haven't read (or understood) what i've written... you come on Zeus...you've throw insults around proposing I'm crazy to question this....but given the too hypothesis you can't tell me why it's crazy ? Or can you ? If I'm mentally ill I'd like to know . There was so much covering up going on after the Towers came down that anyone should wonder why. A government that would send troops to die in Irag by the thousands and kill innocent people by the thousands in supposed revenge or seeking the criminal responsible for the falling of the twin towers and also doing so by lieing their asses off and covering up is capable of ANYTHING. So guess away ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 o I guess tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning for 1 whole hour aired by a nice 80 floor breeze that would easily reach 2000 degrees? You cant tell me thats not going to weaken a structure supporting 20+ floors above it. Firstly the jet fuel can't melt steal .Not a theory , a fact . Secondly it can;t reach 2000 degrees...not even close . Would it weaken the structure...to some extent....significant enough to make it fall ? Maybe at the bottom of the building ....with a bit of a strech of the imagination.....but in a way that made the building fall in that way ? Total collapse , in free fall all in on itself , 20 floors or less bring down 85 that supported their full weight , never the less their their decreased mass when they started falling (mass spread apart and mostly away from the centre)... Never . Never once . not to mention 3 times in one day . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 The governent was aware of the Levees in New Orleans needing repair and also they were told that the Levees were not built high enough to with stand the force of a huge storm and they were told years before Katrina. Yet they did nothing. That would have cost MONEY. Most of the deaths from Katrina were cause by the Levee breaking and flooding the city and now the people are not being allowed to return as a massive LAND GRAB is going on. We do need a Boycott in the US Boycott the Government :shock: :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 your assumption that the steel would have to melt proves you know NOTHING ABOUT STEEL.seems pretty obvious you don't know much about how the wtc was constructed, how that differs from other glass box towers, etc. either. however, why should i listen to architects when *you* have all the answers? icon_rolleyes.gif The steel would need to buckle....so lets assume it does buckle on a few floors (well , there's no great reason we actually should make this assumption) ...what part of that is going to make the rest of the building fall down in its entirety ..in that way ??!! I know very well how it was constructed...it's been years since popular mechanics political piece masqueraded as "science" ...and people have had their time to debunk popular mechanics and done it very well...pretty close minded to call a war over the minute both sides havfired a single salvo....for the sake of the scientific method the debate must be kept open whilst people are asking valid questions the iron oxide on the steel that was found generously is a tell tale sign of thermite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 the iron oxide on the steel that was found generously is a tell tale sign of thermite... you're aware that iron oxide is commonly known as "rust", aren't you? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 the iron oxide on the steel that was found generously is a tell tale sign of thermite... you're aware that iron oxide is commonly known as "rust", aren't you? :roll: now the cats out of the bag ,they caused the steel to rust with thermite which would have taken years so this has been covered up for a long long time :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelis Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 o I guess tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning for 1 whole hour aired by a nice 80 floor breeze that would easily reach 2000 degrees? You cant tell me thats not going to weaken a structure supporting 20+ floors above it. Firstly the jet fuel can't melt steal .Not a theory , a fact . Secondly it can;t reach 2000 degrees...not even close . Would it weaken the structure...to some extent....significant enough to make it fall ? Maybe at the bottom of the building ....with a bit of a strech of the imagination.....but in a way that made the building fall in that way ? Total collapse , in free fall all in on itself , 20 floors or less bring down 85 that supported their full weight , never the less their their decreased mass when they started falling (mass spread apart and mostly away from the centre)... Never . Never once . not to mention 3 times in one day . You obviously have no clue about the weakening of steel at higher temperatures. At 550 Centigrade it has only 60% of the strength it has at normal temperatures. You don't have to melt steel for a construction fail, its all about stability and mechanics as well. Ever heard of buckling? check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 I think you'll find that 24,000 gallons of jet fuel burning at that height fueled by those winds could reach 2000 degrees (F) enough to weaken the remaining steel structure holding 30 floors above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 o I guess tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning for 1 whole hour aired by a nice 80 floor breeze that would easily reach 2000 degrees? You cant tell me thats not going to weaken a structure supporting 20+ floors above it. Firstly the jet fuel can't melt steal .Not a theory , a fact . Secondly it can;t reach 2000 degrees...not even close . Would it weaken the structure...to some extent....significant enough to make it fall ? Maybe at the bottom of the building ....with a bit of a strech of the imagination.....but in a way that made the building fall in that way ? Total collapse , in free fall all in on itself , 20 floors or less bring down 85 that supported their full weight , never the less their their decreased mass when they started falling (mass spread apart and mostly away from the centre)... Never . Never once . not to mention 3 times in one day . You obviously have no clue about the weakening of steel at higher temperatures. At 550 Centigrade it has only 60% of the strength it has at normal temperatures. You don't have to melt steel for a construction fail, its all about stability and mechanics as well. Ever heard of buckling? check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling psssst. don't tell him how steel is tempered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_K Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 ok whatabout all of the materials inside the WTC why didnt anything inside the WTC cause a resistance during the free fall As the building dropped at free fall speed which indicates no resistance of any kind from any floor was present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Yup..I'm aware... from wiki.. A thermite reaction is a type of aluminothermic reaction in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide. The name thermite is also used to refer to the kind of pyrotechnic composition, which is a mixture of two such chemicals. The products are aluminium oxide, free elemental iron, and a large amount of heat. however they found molten steel in the viicinity of the iron oxide in which can only be explain by a thermite reaction , as there is widespread concensus the fires couldn't and didn't burn hot enough to melt the steel.....likely via an explosion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 ok whatabout all of the materials inside the WTC why didnt anything inside the WTC cause a resistance during the free fall As the building dropped at free fall speed which indicates no resistance of any kind from any floor was present So the building was empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 PostPosted: 09 Sep 2007 8:12 pm Reply with quote Slurms wrote: Quote: o I guess tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel burning for 1 whole hour aired by a nice 80 floor breeze that would easily reach 2000 degrees? You cant tell me thats not going to weaken a structure supporting 20+ floors above it. Firstly the jet fuel can't melt steal .Not a theory , a fact . Secondly it can;t reach 2000 degrees...not even close . Would it weaken the structure...to some extent....significant enough to make it fall ? Maybe at the bottom of the building ....with a bit of a strech of the imagination.....but in a way that made the building fall in that way ? Total collapse , in free fall all in on itself , 20 floors or less bring down 85 that supported their full weight , never the less their their decreased mass when they started falling (mass spread apart and mostly away from the centre)... Never . Never once . not to mention 3 times in one day . You obviously have no clue about the weakening of steel at higher temperatures. At 550 Centigrade it has only 60% of the strength it has at normal temperatures. You don't have to melt steel for a construction fail, its all about stability and mechanics as well. Ever heard of buckling? check this out: I mentioned buckling . You say that like it's a magical word....if steel buckled so easily you would have had tons of cases of buildings falling because of fires...we all know it's high grade steel and fireproofed....nice try though ....even if we say "ok ..it buckled" can you explain how buckling is consistent with something coming down in symmetry ? think about it . then three times in one day . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 ok whatabout all of the materials inside the WTC why didnt anything inside the WTC cause a resistance during the free fall As the building dropped at free fall speed which indicates no resistance of any kind from any floor was present So the building was empty? so the cover up was to hide a huge furniture hiest ? :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_K Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 No beej .....how can a building 110 stories tall free fall to the ground full of office supplies and what not simply from collapsing floors with no resistance of any kind ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 So why fly 2 planes into 2 buildings that you have planted bombs in? Theres too much that could have gone wrong with this plan to even start to think about doing it! What if they missed, what if the hijack had failed, or one had failed, its just wonderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_K Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 So why fly 2 planes into 2 buildings that you have planted bombs in? Theres too much that could have gone wrong with this plan to even start to think about doing it!What if they missed, what if the hijack had failed, or one had failed, its just wonderland. One hijacking did fail as the plane was overtaken by the passangers and flown into the ground ..... but alas there was no wreckage .....i still emplor anyone to find me a picture of an airplane wreckage at shanksville crash site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 So why fly 2 planes into 2 buildings that you have planted bombs in? Theres too much that could have gone wrong with this plan to even start to think about doing it!What if they missed, what if the hijack had failed, or one had failed, its just wonderland. One hijacking did fail as the plane was overtaken by the passangers and flown into the ground ..... but alas there was no wreckage .....i still emplor anyone to find me a picture of an airplane wreckage at shanksville crash site the pieces were picked up as evidence :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 No beej ... full of office supplies 30 floors and counting at 10 floors a second, they better be some ******* strong pencils and paper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 shanksville Where the fucks that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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