zeusbheld Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Maybe those girls (ex- prostitute )not even considered to mary any of you :idea: yet somehow, that doesn't break my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CessyInBkk Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i think its not about that the guys consider themselves being to good for marrying a prostitute but to know that it will implicate heavy emotional problems when facing the fact that she got screwed by mabye 1000 guys before... you cant change your past but you can make your future.. I dont think not many women like to be screwed by 1000 guys who they hardly know, but some time they just cant say NO. If I gonna marry someone I will decide by what kind of person he is not just what is his sexual history...I hope many guys (not all I know) will do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoi Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 If I gonna marry someone I will decide by what kind of person he is not just what is his sexual history...I hope many guys (not all I know) will do the same. Would you marry a man who has slept with thousands of hookers? Don't you think that history tells something about people and what we can expect from them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CessyInBkk Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 yes .. if there is a reason, which I can accept &understand, be hide that behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoi Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 yes .. if there is a reason, which I can accept &understand, be hide that behavior. What kind of reason can there be except that he likes such life and will probably return to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CessyInBkk Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 the issue itself is a kind of generalization of people character (or career). So i dont want to make to deep into an if ..situation..life is more complete and different for one to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanUsa Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i think its not about that the guys consider themselves being to good for marrying a prostitute but to know that it will implicate heavy emotional problems when facing the fact that she got screwed by mabye 1000 guys before... Maybe she is not a hooker but still got screwed by thousands, take Britney Spears for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valetudo Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 mmmmm, i am sure no farang would ever contemplate marrying a hooker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgh3rd Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 mmmmm, i am sure no farang would ever contemplate marrying a hooker ask all the men in the us who have married strippers and porn stars and also swingers same thing except cash in some cases cash doesn't exchange hands is done simply for fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeGeneve Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 mmmmm, i am sure no farang would ever contemplate marrying a hooker It is my impression that it is not that uncommon given some of the silly queries post here and elsewhere about marriage to a thai woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoi Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 mmmmm, i am sure no farang would ever contemplate marrying a hooker unless she is persistent... and declares she has good heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariforf Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 In western big citys up to 60 - 70% of marriages are failures and end with divorce - may be same happens with farang/thai marriages, and thats understandable only cause difference in culture - many, yes very many !! european ladies have had many men before marriage and many have calculated with, and got a lot of benefits in material matters cause marriage, but dont regard themselves as prostitutes !! Thats 1 of many conseqenses of of women liberation last decenniums but its also to some extend a conseqense of old time habits like family building we still see as dominant to day in marriage between muslims. As far as i know its a big difference between many ladies working in lady bars with main aim to catch a man compared with prostitutes only looking for money and good bye as soon as men`s wallett are empty. I dont believe its true that thai ladies are notorious cheaters like some people here seems to believe ! Thai ladies has mostly same agenda like western ladies for marry, sometimes love, sometimes money and i dont regard all ladies working in bar and similar places as prostitutes !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech_noir Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Maybe those girls (ex- prostitute )not even considered to mary any of you :idea: Don't worry about that. None can give her what I am able to promise. Just call me "charming" when I wish to be. Love sucks, the real love even swallows. Therefore prostitutes are quite a promising resources. I actually know a (non-thai) ex- who is hapilly maried for years, have children and her husband is completely aware of her past. As long as it is past, it is fine. Another plus is that such a woman is already sick of parties and bars, so could actually enjoy being a calm howsewife. Health issues - they must not be a cactor as you'll both have to make medical test before marriage anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Maybe, but would she marry an ENGLISH TEACHER!!!! yea should a girl marry an x english teacher after years of ahhem seeing the sights in Bangkok . forget love right :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee2k Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i personally wouldnt marry one but its all in the name. ive had fun with hookers but i leave my heart at home!! what defines a hooker? a girl who sleeps for money? i know of a farang girl who has an older rich guy who buys her clothes gives her money etc!! is she a hooker? some males would brag if they married a pornstar who may have slept with the same amount of men as a hooker and also get paid!! is she a hooker? :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverforever Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 There are a few white knights parading around this thread. Hoping to save the noble savage BG from her dire plight and 'fix' the problem in Thailand one nubile beauty at a time. As the other poster mentioned there are many noble causes in Thailand and people who need to be saved. Being a BG might be a difficult choice, one that the girl feels pressure to pursue but I still believe it is a choice. I also believe a significant percentage prefer to work as a BG than other jobs which are available to them, but that don't offer the same quick buck and party lifestyle. I think a large percentage of BGs will tell you they are desperate to get out and may in fact be but even upon finding a sponsor(s) who match their income they continue to pull tricks? What can explain this other than a desire to continue that line of employment. Personally I feel sex is a legitimate commodity to sell and as long as one is not made to work exhaustive hours and/or is paid repressive wages it isn't exploitation. Many of the Gucci bags and GAP jeans people are wearing are made in sweat shops and I would consider these people toiling away in a polluted Chinese factory much sadder cases than BGs. There are plenty of people in the world who would like to win the lottery in its various forms and be spared the tedium of work and I really don't pity a BG any more than I pity someone grinding stones all day. Back to the topic would I marry a BG? Only if she had been out of the game for a significant amount of time, at least a year and was in a financially solvent position. Marriage is about partnership and trust. I could not trust someone who was presently having sex with other people for any reason and I could not support someone who could not support themselves. I have slept with BGs probably will continue to do so until I find the one and don't see how it's fair to condemn anyone for what I myself have participated in. It's all about treating people with respect and trying to minimize preconceived notions. I strive to treat everyone with respect until given a reason not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Maybe, but would she marry an ENGLISH TEACHER!!!! yea should a girl marry an x english teacher after years of ahhem seeing the sights in Bangkok . forget love right :roll: Ohh a hint of bitterness mate, trouble in paradise? Contrary to popular belief, being an English teacher doesn't automatically make one here a sex tourist. Sexiest thing I've seen recently is a tailback on Ramintra. (And that's as much as I can take.) a hint of frustration as I have to wait another month for her return and I was just razzin ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 well, some people didn't meet the right hooker yet For a piece of raw, dead fish you have an amazing tendency to hit the nail on the head. I don't disrespect people for what they do for work but as many others already said, trust is imperative. Being a hooker teaches one very quickly to trust no-one except yourself. One learns to exploit others because one is being exploited by everyone. This is something that is very difficult, if not downright impossible, to ever undo. Furthermore if you wanted a pizza, you wouldn't go to a shoe store now would you ? Though it is not impossible that a guy in the shop just happened to order too many pizzas and is looking to sell one off, it just isn't very likely. Would you call me prejudicial if I tried to suggest to you looking for a pizza in a shoe store is not likely to succeed ? I'm not saying a relationship with a hooker cannot succeed. I'm just saying it's just highly unlikely. If you want to bang your head against the wall, then by all means go ahead. Just don't come and complain to me if you get a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Whoever have a thick pocket their wife and kids look shiny and they are pround to present their Mrs. Good point. Says a lot about your values. If it looks good on the outside, it's good enough. Shiny new car, shiny kids, shiny jewellery, shiny, happy life. Yes ,it is her choice to be a bar girl or grinding stone maker but their objectively is to have a better life and what's wrong with that?? Nothing wrong in trying to have a better life but plenty of ways to do it which are definitely not ok. Even a bank robber is trying to make a better life for him but that doesn't mean it's ok to rob banks. Just because tractors and apples can be found on a farm doesn't mean they are the same thing. Like most of gentlemen like you guys have tried so hard to get the most kind heart+beatiful and independent woman to marry with but unlucky you...all taken by those gentleman as well ( bar girls lover). A woman taken by a man using money to get her is hardly a woman to be missed. There are values beyond material ones but it seems it would be a waste of time to try to explain those to you. If you are happy with and only with money then so be it. I need more and I dare to say a lot of other men do too. Most western men come from a society and circumstances where they have already had material wealth. Many have noticed it brings them no happiness. Some of them decide to give it all up and go to countries like Thailand or Philippines, seeking a more humane way of life. Most Thai people have never had any wealth, but see it around them all the time. It is only natural to aspire for it. Watching the Thai soap operas one can clearly see what the image of a "perfect life" is. I've had plenty of wealth and happiness in my life but those have never been interlinked. Moving to Thailand was for me a deliberate step down on the financial ladder. I have no regrets whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Yes ,it is her choice to be a bar girl or grinding stone maker but their objectively is to have a better life and what's wrong with that?? Nothing wrong in trying to have a better life but plenty of ways to do it which are definitely not ok. Even a bank robber is trying to make a better life for him but that doesn't mean it's ok to rob banks. Just because tractors and apples can be found on a farm doesn't mean they are the same thing. Right. And, despite the fact that they are both illegal, robbing banks and selling your body are also not the same things. Taking other people's money by force is not the same thing as prostitution, which is essentially a business transaction between two mutually consenting adults. If they are not adults, or one of them is not consenting, that's another story. But that's not what we are talking about. Your morals and values are YOUR morals and values, not everyone else's. And I think the world has had enough problems created by Ayatollahs of Morals such as yourself who can't see the difference between a bank robber and a bar girl. Maybe we should also be asking women: Would you marry a man who pays for sex with bar girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whateverforever Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Yes ,it is her choice to be a bar girl or grinding stone maker but their objectively is to have a better life and what's wrong with that?? lover). Nothing wrong with it whatsoever as long as the person was not trafficked or forced. My point is that being a Prostitute is a tough job but it is a job that in my opinion is not dramatically different from many other difficult jobs. and the girls don't need to be saved by us. The usual suspects for the prostitution trade in Thailand come from a family filled with financial difficulties and the daughter plying the trade carries this burden. If Mr. Farang bucks comes into the equation guess who takes on the burden? Many of these families have no ability to manage money and even throwing a few million baht at them will not solve anything. The old teach a person to fish vs. giving them fish adage. The second problem is the trade is largely based on selling and buying an illusion; some girls and guys in the game forget how to turn the illusion off and are ill suited for the ignoble vicissitudes of daily married life. I'm not saying they prostitutes or johns are bad people and as I stated I have played my part in the spectrum. I'm just saying both prostitutes and solicitors usually have too much baggage for a serious relationship. It's not a matter of saying either side is morally bankrupt though. I think people from either side of the trade need to have exhibited a long abstinence from the game and a sincere desire not to partake further if marriage is being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodySakura Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 LOL interesting topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo_V2.0 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 i know of a farang girl who has an older rich guy who buys her clothes gives her money etc!! is she a hooker? :shock: Lets see .. she receives money for sexual services ..... yes that passes the definition and she qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Right. And, despite the fact that they are both illegal, robbing banks and selling your body are also not the same things. Taking other people's money by force is not the same thing as prostitution. You will of course read the post the way you prefer, but I didn't say it was the same thing. I merely compared them as examples of how the cause does not justify the means. I should probably have chosen a better example to avoid misunderstandings, but thenagain those prone to misunderstand on purpose will continue to do so, regardless of what is said. Your morals and values are YOUR morals and values, not everyone else's. And I think the world has had enough problems created by Ayatollahs of Morals such as yourself who can't see the difference between a bank robber and a bar girl. I was not imposing my morals on anyone, but I do think one is allowed to disagree with people over here and express their differing views. You don't seem to agree though and it didn't take many posts on this forum for you to label me already as Ayatollah of Moral. You seem to gain indepth knowledge of people in an instant. An enviable talent. I don't see you being a moderator here so I must ask what makes you self-appointed Ayatollah of this forum ? Who are you to tell me, or anyone else for that matter, what we can or cannot say ? I may be new to this forum but that does not mean I'm new to both forums like this or characters like you. Every forum has it's guidelines and moderators who step in if users stray from them. If I have done so, I'm sure a moderator will interfere. Maybe we should also be asking women:Would you marry a man who pays for sex with bar girls? In case you didn't notice, it has already been asked. I don't think there's much difference in buying and selling sex when it comes to character flaws. Mental and emotional damages are a different story alltogther though and that was more or less my point. Once a hooker, always a hooker. Feel free to disagree but don't expect me to be dragged into a neverending debate with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I was not imposing my morals on anyone, but I do think one is allowed to disagree with people over here and express their differing views. You don't seem to agree though and it didn't take many posts on this forum for you to label me already as Ayatollah of Moral. You seem to gain indepth knowledge of people in an instant. An enviable talent. I don't see you being a moderator here so I must ask what makes you self-appointed Ayatollah of this forum ? Who are you to tell me, or anyone else for that matter, what we can or cannot say ? You responded to Lillydilly's post by questioning her values and morals, and then in a tone of dismissive condescension said "There are values beyond material ones but it seems it would be a waste of time to try to explain those to you." Where do you get off, buster? What do you know about Lillydilly besides this one post that you can make that kind of judgment about her? If you want to look down your nose at others because their values, morals and viewpoints are different than yours, then you're acting as the Ayatollah of Morals. You think it's perfectly fine to do that, and then when someone takes issue with what you've said, and your attitude towards another member, all of a sudden you're in high dudgeon. I don't have to be a moderator to tell you what I think about what you said, anymore than you need to be one to insult Lillydilly. So go cry to a real moderator if your wittle feewings have been hurt. I'll get you a hanky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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