PROTEST QUITTING

[PeeMarc]

I felt very sad reading Periboea's (final) journal yesterday and then seeing her delete and leave TF. I dont really know all the details as to why, and so i suspend my judgement about this.

To me, she was one of the great individuals who regularly posted on forums and journals, and while i may not have agreed with her 100% of the time, i always looked forward to her being online and reading her contributions. She often made me laugh and/or think and she woiuld always have a point of view. She often held her own, with dignity, in debate and I admired that.

I dont know her personally, and we have never contacted each other. But now really feel TF has lost someone important and I want to know why and how this can be.

[R.Win]

I'm wondering about this too, but other than finding out the reason, it would be nice if we could change her mind and get her up and running again on this forum so if you want her to return leave some input here, I'm sure she will have a look sooner or later

[beej]

She'll be back, they always come back.

[Loburt]

I didn't see the journal, and now that she's deleted her profile, it's gone.

There are very few people on this site worth reading or listening to, and she was one of them.

I think her leaving says a lot about the direction the site has gone. But that's not exactly news.

[PeeMarc]

somehow, while certain individuals can easily be blamed, I feel we are all responsible for this, since this site is the sum of many parts. We have all allowed (condoned) this site (community) to become such that someone like her can wish to leave.

[Loburt]

It is what it is. Sad to say, but, don't expect it to change.

[PeeMarc]

It is what it is. Sad to say, but, don't expect it to change.

I dont agree. Every post, ever journal, every topic is like a drop of water making up this 'pond'.

It can easily become poisoned as it can become invigorating. It all depends on each of those 'drops'.

One cannot stand back and say "dont expect it to change', when one is part of creating the pond at any given time.

[Loburt]

That may be true. But having been on this site almost since its inception, and seen various people come and go for reasons similar to Nicky's, it just doesn't change in any substantial way.

As well intentioned as your desire (and the desire of some others) may be to correct that, there will always be the knuckleheads who will not get with the program.

[PeeMarc]

That may be true. But having been on this site almost since its inception, and seen various people come and go for reasons similar to Nicky's, it just doesn't change in any substantial way.

As well intentioned as your desire (and the desire of some others) may be to correct that, there will always be the knuckleheads who will not get with the program.

well, i bow to your greater experience here and will see what happens. I have seen her here with some incredible 'knuckleheads' (eg thainofriends, paultheturd etc) and this never phased her once.

She was, as you know, referring to her deep disappointment in 1 or 2 mods and their behaviour here, and perhaps other issues with the riunning of this site. If this is the case, i believe we should have more collective influence on them than we do on the occassional trolls and the like who pass by here.

Or perhaps I am being too idealistic.

[PeeMarc]

... and since we all must follow the TF terms and conditions, or risk being 'carded' or banned, I would like to know what rules or guideliines Mods need to follow to remain a Mod. If its 'good for the goose, its good for the gander' and iif there are in fact Mod guidelines which have been breeched, I think we need to know.

[PeeMarc]

seems a strange silence from the Mods on this thread.

I'm sure I am not the only one waiting for some sort of explaination to all this.

[Dave40]

I feel sorry about Nicky leaving I hope she comes back and I don't know why she left I missed her journal, I have met some very nice people on TF, and there are some people who I don't want to meet in real life, thats called choice, if you are going to post comments on journals and forum's not everybody will agree with you, opinions are like assholes everybody has one, there are some characters on here but probably need protection from themselves let alone the mods doing it for them!!!!!

Who was it that said you cannot legislate against idiots?!!!

Just my 2 satang's worth!!

[PeeMarc]

I feel sorry about Nicky leaving I hope she comes back and I don't know why she left I missed her journal, I have met some very nice people on TF, and there are some people who I don't want to meet in real life, thats called choice, if you are going to post comments on journals and forum's not everybody will agree with you, opinions are like assholes everybody has one, there are some characters on here but probably need protection from themselves let alone the mods doing it for them!!!!!

Who was it that said you cannot legislate against idiots?!!!

Just my 2 satang's worth!!

if you read her journal, her reason for quitting was because of Mod behaviour, not 'some idiots' here.

I still wish to know what are the guidelines for being a Mod, since we have guideliines to which we are asked to adhere, for the sake of others

[Zombiedriven]

It happened sad to see her go. But it happened people leave and people come it is how sites like this work.

[i_love_som_tam]

I still wish to know what are the guidelines for being a Mod, since we have guideliines to which we are asked to adhere, for the sake of others

Mods are members of this site that have been asked, because of contributions they have brought to TF, to become Mods.

Before becoming a Mod I lodged complaints against other Mods about things that some said in forums. It was explained that Mods are members and have the freedom to express their views, whether positive or negative, as all other members. When acting in a Mod mode they have to display fairness and diplomacy.

Mods have been yellow carded on numerous occasions by Admin for inappropriate behavior and comments. Mods have also been banned after repeated warnings to behave.

I don't know what Nicky's complaint was as I did not read her journal yesterday and since she has deleted her profile I can not retrieve it to try to understand her reason for quitting. It's too bad she left without contacting the Mod group and/or Admin to try to resolve the issue.

[i_love_som_tam]

so Mods, WHY??

Why what?

[AAAum]

reasons still unknown....

[mannekepis]

Yesterday my wife asked why do people die.

Well, I said, they're born.

After all it's the only thing you can do in the face of the Gods - when you find out they're not listening.

[PeeMarc]

I still wish to know what are the guidelines for being a Mod, since we have guideliines to which we are asked to adhere, for the sake of others

Mods are members of this site that have been asked, because of contributions they have brought to TF, to become Mods.

Before becoming a Mod I lodged complaints against other Mods about things that some said in forums. It was explained that Mods are members and have the freedom to express their views, whether positive or negative, as all other members. When acting in a Mod mode they have to display fairness and diplomacy.

Mods have been yellow carded on numerous occasions by Admin for inappropriate behavior and comments. Mods have also been banned after repeated warnings to behave.

I don't know what Nicky's complaint was as I did not read her journal yesterday and since she has deleted her profile I can not retrieve it to try to understand her reason for quitting. It's too bad she left without contacting the Mod group and/or Admin to try to resolve the issue.

perhaps then Mods should have a seperate profile to allow them to be 'rank and file' members and afford them the same open expression as all here, as you say.

But, if someone is in 'Mod mode' as you call it, then they should act appropriately and as 'moderators of discussions' to keep things in line and see that the rules are being followed and nothing more.

i read with sadness her journal where she charged Mods for rude and offensive behaviour. I do agree that perhaps a better course of action would have been to take it up with the mods iinstead of falling on her sword like that.

Perhaps she already did, buit to no avail. I dont know.

Just my 2 bahts worth.

[PeeMarc]

moderator n.  

- One that moderates, as:

- One that arbitrates or mediates.

- One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.

perhaps a different term should be used, since I cannot see how someone who is called a 'moderator' should also be allowed to jump into the mosh pit as well. Surely its one or the other. And sure this is where the confusion can arise.

[mannekepis]

moderator n.

- One that moderates, as:

- One that arbitrates or mediates.

- One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.

that should be ideal, but then they should be paid

I don't think it's about pay or even the right word.

People who are given power to watch over other people's behavior carry a responsibility - not just some extra rights.

The policeman's word is taken over mine, but still a policeman isn't supposed to kick someone who's cuffed and on the ground. That's part of being "police", and in the word the word-diggers can look for something like "polite", just as there's "moderate'" in moderator. Words still are important, because there's betrayal in the air when reality moves away from the concept.

When some mod bans a member with as sole motivation "because I have the buttons" then people who do have standards tend to get disappointed over the lack of responsibility on display.

When mods become those who outwit new members with even fouler language than the ordinary rabble, those people who do have standards, when they think, get plain disgusted.

Where responsibility is ignored and the semblance of a just application is lost you get disappointments that in the end lead people with standards to say well, this is not for me anymore, this is for somebody else.

I've personally never believed this separation - mod vs the rest - was a smart thing but not everybody can fight for himself with arguments only, I suppose.

[Loburt]

Then again, some people unquestionably deserve the bans they've been given.

[i_love_som_tam]

Then again, some people unquestionably deserve the bans they've been given.

and the continuing bans when they try to return after their original ban :wink:

[LakeGeneve]

I felt very sad reading Periboea's (final) journal yesterday and then seeing her delete and leave TF. I dont really know all the details as to why, and so i suspend my judgement about this.

To me, she was one of the great individuals who regularly posted on forums and journals, and while i may not have agreed with her 100% of the time, I always looked forward to her being online and reading her contributions. She often made me laugh and/or think and she woiuld always have a point of view. She often held her own, with dignity, in debate and I admired that.

I dont know her personally, and we have never contacted each other. But now really feel TF has lost someone important and I want to know why and how this can be.

Very sad news indeed Khun PeeMarc. Had you not posted this I probably would not have noticed for a while (not being one who logs regularly). I always appreciated and enjoyed her posts being a regular TF member who contibuted in a thoughtful, engaging and articulate manner. I cannot recollect Periboea taking differing views personally when the opposite seems to be common by many.

It would have been good to have had a thread about whatever concerns regarding inappropiate Mod behaviour which may have resulted in Periboea decision to leave the site but we have to respect the manner in which she has done so. Far be for us to speculate her exact reasons but I trust the representation of her last journal is an insight (pity we could not read it).

I agree with the expressed by PeeMarc that the site is the sum of all of the small contributions made by all members. Although, I hardly devote much time to this site, and expect little from it, there are at times some very engaging journals and threads. Obviously people come to the site for various and differing reasons which should be accomodated and respected. Maybe, to avoid loosing the interest of more members like Periboea perhaps we all need to lift our game a tad but I also recognise that it is the natural cycle of sites that members will come and go as Khun Loburt says.

However, I did post a while back (before the Turkey Slapping thread) the bore a nd annoyance of constanting coming across members slagging each other in various threads (although this seems to have died down a bit in the last month). At times it does appear that a Mod or two perhaps confuses the deliniation which I would assume exisits between the responsibility of wearing a Mod hat v a members hat.

A thread on such would not be such a bad thing if at least to clarify what is perhaps assumed to be clear in theory but perhaps not known by most members in practice.

I sometimes read posts by Mods which appear to be arbitrary or seemingly joking comments about consideration to give a warning or ban a member. This may be ok in some circumstances but is does seem inappropiate to be discussing such options or actions in public. And it does to rise to perceptions of reinforcing the Mod powers over members which can be subject to abuse even by the most objective and diligent Mods.

Periboea, wishing you all the best in your creative endevours in Denmark!

[PeeMarc]

Periboea, wishing you all the best in your creative endevours in Denmark!

Ditto.