bigKus Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Madame Tusso Wax Museum will be open soon in Berlin, Germany. What do you think if you see Adolf Hitler's wax figure in the museum amongst Albert Einstein, Helmut Kohl , Boris Becker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I've never been to Madame Tussaud's so I don't know how they display their wax figures, meaning, if there is some explanation of who the figure is and what their claim to "fame" is. I think having a wax figure of Hitler is okay as long as there is a clear explanation of his crimes for those viewing the figure, and also that the figure is placed somewhere in the museum where it can be easily avoided by those who don't want to see it. It all depends upon the presentation. We can't hide from these things or pretend they didn't happen. We have to learn from history. As the famous saying goes: Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yes, if these places can have serial killers and infamous murderers, why not genocidal mono testicular Austrian house painters??? As long as there is educational aspect to it. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fujico Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I have been to Madame Tussaud's twice. Hitler's wax figures was apparently-unpopular... There is no explanation or name with the figures. Brad Pitt doesn't look like him at all!!! I had to think about ' Who is this?' Freddie Mercury: fairly similar You can see Tina Turner over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loburt Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 thanks, fujico. if there is no explanation, then i'm against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 omg!!! I agree with Loburt!! Call the paramedics lol!! Totally, if no explanation and focus on he horror he caused, then no display. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 thanks, fujico.if there is no explanation, then i'm against it. u think there r ppl who might go to Tussauds and be dumb enough to need an explanation as to who and what Hitler was ...... although on reflection u may have a point !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 ohh stupid me.. I thought this topic was about Wax... his figure... hmmm kinda get rid of his body hair... sorry sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Maybe the won't even have a figure of the evil one. As far as I was aware , I thought all references and paraphernalia regarding Nazism is banned and totally illegal in Germany and Austria. Can any of our German TF'ers shed light on these laws and what feeling in Germany this may stir-up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fujico Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 thanks, fujico.if there is no explanation, then i'm against it. You're welcome, Loburt. :wink: Actually, there is security matters. If some people want to break the dolls down, it is possible. Even if they set up a hidden camera to watch those people.... :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggy Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc. One day nowbody will talk about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluggy Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc. One day nowbody will talk about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc.One day nowbody will talk about them. But they are in the history... at least teachers must talk about it in history class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthetop Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Its fine by me as long as they dont all come to life when everyones gone home!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Its fine by me as long as they dont all come to life when everyones gone home!! hmmm watching movie too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc.One day nowbody will talk about them. what an idiotic comment!!! if the day comes when we have forgotten the lessons of nazism, then rather than evolving we will have gone back to the trees!! and yeh, castro was as evil as hitler!! numpty!! :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokBilly Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I think if the grouping of figures was based on area of origin I'd be pretty fed up if I was German, or Austrian. Yes... Hitler was a product of geography but he was also a product of politics, economics, racial theory and many other factors. To group these characters as they are "German" (ish) is a bit like putting a five year old in charge of your local library and letting them stick the writings of Oswald Mosley next to the Enid Blytons because they were both English. <<I thought all references and paraphernalia regarding Nazism is banned and totally illegal in Germany and Austria. >> I think the Germans and Austrians are pretty tough on Nazi images. But I also heard that all German school kids have to visit a concentration camp at least once as part of an educational trip. Sounds pretty sensible to me. Stick him in with the daft lamps with moustaches and silly bits of facial hair, like goatees, long sideburns, that is what I would do, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fujico Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ooops! My friend said, (We went there together.)There is some brief explanation like 'Chinese prime minister'. etc My bad memory! sorry!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiaranM Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc.One day nowbody will talk about them. what an idiotic comment!!! if the day comes when we have forgotten the lessons of nazism, then rather than evolving we will have gone back to the trees!! and yeh, castro was as evil as hitler!! numpty!! :twisted: and oliver cromwell was as evil as castro !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc.One day nowbody will talk about them. what an idiotic comment!!! if the day comes when we have forgotten the lessons of nazism, then rather than evolving we will have gone back to the trees!! and yeh, castro was as evil as hitler!! numpty!! :twisted: so where would we place Bush in this pantheon of evil?? :twisted: and oliver cromwell was as evil as castro !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damnam1 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 I dondt care about. Hiltler was an historical episode like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Gaddhafi and Saddam Hussein etc.One day nowbody will talk about them. Hello, I dont think so. Neither the left-wing politicians nor the right wing nor the victims will ever forget about this part of german history. On the one hand this perfect example of evil persuasion has its place in history and on the other hand it has served, it serves and will always serve as a legitimation of eternal guilt of the german people. And not to forget, as a perfectly laid reason to keep many nations constantly demanding money for compensation. To get back to the topic - according to germal law (§§ 86,86a, 130 StGB) there are current groups that are forbidden in Germany: Deutsche Alternative, die Freiheitliche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, Nationalistische Front, Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten/Nationale Aktivisten, Nationale Sammlung, Wiking-Jugen and Blood-and-Honour-Division. (no need to translate this) Furthermore signs of former Nazi - organisations that are forbidden by law: Hakenkreuz (Swastika), SS-runes, slogans as „Heil Hitler?, „Sieg Heil?, „Meine Ehre heißt Treue? (my honor is faith) or „Mit deutschem Gruß? , also songs alike Horst-Wessel-Lied or „Unsre Fahne flattert uns voran". Not a nationalsocialistic sign is the "Reichskriegsflagge" (before 1935 - insignia of the german Kaiser - without Swastika) ) nor the german national anthem, because its lyrics have been written before the 3rd Reich. Even a crossed swastika (like a button on your jacket to display ones antipathy to the 3rd Reich) is forbidden, but there are discussions about this legal topic at the moment. As far as I know it is not forbidden by law to have a Hitler portrait on your living room wall. Nota bene - in Germany. In Austria it might be different - maybe because he has been their worst export to Germany ever. In public places, as for instance this wax - museum in Berlin it is legal to display "The Fuehrer" face-to-face to Churchill. There is no public uproar,but lots of discussion amongst all political groups and even in all social classes. The gist will be not to display "den groessten Feldherr aller Zeiten" (self-proclaimed greatest commander of all time) without further written information about his life and his deeds. Cheers Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fujico Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ooops!My friend said, (We went there together.)There is some brief explanation like 'Chinese prime minister'. etc My bad memory! sorry!!! The sign under Hitler says he's the Chinese Prime Minister!? No wonder the Chinese Prez gets such a bad rap. No, PiAnt. I wasn't talking about Hitler. I don't remember What was the sign of the Hitler doll. I will look at the sign if I have a chance to go there again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokBilly Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ray, that was helpful stuff on the German laws on Hitler. Is it correct that to deny the holocaust happened is a crime in Germany? Any thoughts on this? If a wax work of Hitler helps ANYONE think about that and act accordingly I wouldn't mind if they stuck him next to the waxwork of Bobby Moore (Madam Tussauds still does have Bobby Moore doesn't it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stramash Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ray, that was helpful stuff on the German laws on Hitler.Is it correct that to deny the holocaust happened is a crime in Germany? Any thoughts on this? If a wax work of Hitler helps ANYONE think about that and act accordingly I wouldn't mind if they stuck him next to the waxwork of Bobby Moore (Madam Tussauds still does have Bobby Moore doesn't it?) yes, holocaust denial crime. some British guy (was it Irving?) jailed in Austria for this. :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damnam1 Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Ray, that was helpful stuff on the German laws on Hitler.Is it correct that to deny the holocaust happened is a crime in Germany? Any thoughts on this? If a wax work of Hitler helps ANYONE think about that and act accordingly I wouldn't mind if they stuck him next to the waxwork of Bobby Moore (Madam Tussauds still does have Bobby Moore doesn't it?) anybody denying the holocaust clearly commits incitement of the people according to german law and will see the bunker from three months up to five years. I dont know what is going on inside some peoples head. They persist in denying the facts, but thanks god this is a minority, but still trying to mislead youth.. I am conservative and my approach to our history is way different than left-wing approach, but there is not the slightest doubt even among conservatives that Germany has been enchanted by an austrian loonie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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