KingSpartan78 Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I'm picturing you saying these exact words into the mirror a-la Robert DeNiro ..... Do I know you ? Do I know you ? Do I know you ? No . For all I know you may be a very nice person ..... Im wiping tea off my pc moniter thats the best laugh I have had all day LMFAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Though , I think you hit the sweet spot with the following (replying to WHISKERS)..... Do I know you ? No. For all I know you may be a very nice person but I form my opinion based on what you say and do on TF. As skewed as it may be. That is the nature of a discussion forum. Problems start when people confuse a forum with real life. You don't seem to know the difference anymore. I'm picturing you saying these exact words into the mirror a-la Robert DeNiro ..... Do I know you ? Do I know you ? Do I know you ? No . For all I know you may be a very nice person ..... there would be a hell of a mental picture (if i knew what the guy looked like). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 there would be a hell of a mental picture (if i knew what the guy looked like). I look like Robert DeNiro, only younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 there would be a hell of a mental picture (if i knew what the guy looked like). I look like Robert DeNiro, only younger. got the mohawk? the army jacket? do me a favor, can you say "queens, fairiies, dopers, junkies, pimps, whores... sick. venal. some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the street"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 "queens, fairiies, dopers, junkies, pimps, whores... sick. venal. some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the street"... I look like Robert DeNiro, I don't speak like he does. We also differ slightly in our financial status. He doesn't own a car in Thailand. I do remember when Disney was the last thing you'd see on Times Square though. Just got Taxi Driver in 720p the other day, it's been ages since I've watched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 ...Just got Taxi Driver in 720p the other day, it's been ages since I've watched it. so watch it and practice the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 so watch it and practice the lines. If I was to double as R.DeNiro, I'd prefer to be him in Midnight Run. I used to think that if my life got really fcuked up, I'd move to NYC to become a Taxi Driver. I don't think they'd hire a white guy these days anymore though so I guess I need a new plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamHotel Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VZFrFqXqc4c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 speaking of children, where's whiskers? dear whiskers, i notice you didn't bother to admit that you got everything ******* dead wrong a page or two ago. i also notice you're highly selective about your alleged cause. if *i* happen to make a joke near--not even to--one of your late-night-nana-area drinking buddies, you don't bother to actually read what i said, or try to understand it, you just throw a hissy fit like this little gem: ...You've got to realize that many good and respected TF members are getting bullied whenever they decide to comment in the forums. I for one refuse to be bullied . . . especially by "retarded assholes" who believe the forums are here just for them. so dear, "nice" whiskers, why don't you leap in and rescue siamhotel when people actually ARE ganging up and trying to bully him off the forums? is it because you've appointed yourself judge and jury of who is "good" and "respected," and it's your way of saying.... well... he's not "good" and "respected"? or could it be that your sweeping moral assessments, "good" and "respected" mean nothing more to you than "whiskers' late night drinking buddy"? you know, you *could* just admit that, and have a shot at being consistent. but then you'd basically be admitting you're a shallow, superficial, smarmy hypocrite. what's your next step, mr. nice guy? are ya gonna threaten me with violence? that wouldn't be very "nice" would it? but hey, you get lots of votes, doesn't that mean you're appointed judge, jury and executioner? don't worry i'm sure everyone would think you did the right thing, since i'm not good or respected anyway, and *you* are. how silly of me to fail to realize this website is just for you and your after-hours drinking buddies, and expect to be able to use it as i choose. see, *you* aren't trying to bully anyone off the forum. no sir, you'd never do that, because your'e "good" and "respected". just... if you happen to reread (or read, if you haven't, it might be worth your time) Lord of the Flies... look in the mirror, you're Jack on this island. but hey, it's all good you get to be chief. congratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 for such a seemingly benign subject, this thread is turning out to be a doozy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I had a child a long time ago ( when I was 21 ) even though i had the capabilities to have children, I never was in any kind of position to really be a proper parent and I'm ashamed to admit I have been a let-down as a father...8-( To bring a child into the world, ideally, should be into a well grounded relationship, with more than enough support for the child/children by both parents. Now at 31, I think for myself, I really don't want anymore because of the disruption to my life (I know I'm a selfish prick!) but also, I wish things could have turned out different with my son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Z, you make me laugh so much it hurts. glad to see i'm not the only one who admits to having watched Jerry Springer. It is a good rant once again, but your opening line...I mean if it is not intended to stir the pot, then what is it? A casual greeting? of course it is intended to stir the pot! just following suit though. The name calling and foul language, it is so childish to say the least.... and claiming someone is "bullying" "good" and "respectable" people out of the forum is very seven-year-old-playground hero. just following suit. if he gets to be batman i get to be the joker. It is your choice and free choice but not a choice I would make....And this is just my opinion. I am sure there are many Thai people here that look on in amazement and wounder what gives... I would think if one was to care what impression the world would have of ones culture, they would be interested in setting a good example for others to follow? if the world looks to my posts on the TF forum to form an impression of my culture, then the world is far more superficial and just plain stupid than i could ever imagine. i am not sure how it becomes my responsibility to set an example on internet forums for others to follow, i certainly didn't volunteer for the job of role model, and i hear it doesn't pay. Anyway, best wishes to you and hope it all works out... ithanks, in the sense that something happens, and it's followed by something else, and then followed by something else.... something will work out somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagner Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I have to say I can't help wondering where the heck is Mr. Nice a.k.a. Whiskers amidst all this. Doesn't he think it's "nice" to respond to questions or are those questions too close to truth on a touchy subject ? Obviously admitting being wrong is not considered "nice" in his world, or maybe the "most popular man" just can't be wrong. We all are wrong every now and then. In this thread the subject of a "real man" was touched upon, but missed by a mile. For me one of the most respectable deeds one can do to qualify as a "real man" is the ability and willingness to admit publicly having been at fault and thus apologizing. How about it, Mr Whiskers ? For once you could do something that would actually make people vote for you because they respect you, not because you have your nose so far up their rectum they can feel your whiskers on their nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 yes your right Z and I see your point on this...It is a circle that can be broken but someone has to be willing to let it go and break the circle.. well there's part of it, but i'm also interested in the idea of "good" vs "bad" as in, i am of the opinion that most of what we humans typically use to judge someone as good is utterly superficial and pretty much irrelevant. see, being bad put having a fairly cogent argument creates a dilemma. one has to choose whether the argument or things like tone and frequent use of profanity are more important. I think that all people should be good examples and I realize it is not possible all the time, but time permitting, yes it is a better way, in my opinion... i think the question, then, is good examples of *what*. I also know we are all not botanists and do not discuss the latest craze in rose coloration patterns etc (reseved for old farts) but I am wondering if there is a way to "calm" the exchanges here on TF? Maybe it is not necessary but it has been a little "wild" lately.... well complaining to the moderator works pretty well, except theyr'e rather under-staffed these days. petitioning posters, either publicly (like Phil did) or through PMs can work, but it is less effective than suspensions and sometimes just puts the mediator in the middle (as it did Phil). Maybe some forums on art, culture, photography, mountain hiking places, shopping, clothing styles, favorite beers (thats a good one!) vacation spots, etc..but who knows, I mean "children" seemed pretty safe right?? i doubt there's any such thing as a safe topic. the thing that makes an internet forum prickly is part of what makes it interesting, at least to me--it's almost guaranteed that everyone will NOT agree. where it gets prickly is when people believe their argument is based on their moral code. it tends to lead to the belief that people who don't follow their moral code must not have a moral code. . all human beings are moral animals, that's our biological inheritance. however, all human beings don't end up with the exact same moral code. it's shaped partially by our instincts and tendencies and partially by our circumstances, culture, and our own thinking (or refusal to think). also, i have seen nothing to convince me there is any universal standard of civility, so that complicates things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I have to say I can't help wondering where the heck is Mr. Nice a.k.a. Whiskers amidst all this. Doesn't he think it's "nice" to respond to questions or are those questions too close to truth on a touchy subject ? to be fair, maybe he just hasn't noticed, pays only sporadic attention to the forum, or for some reason considered the matter resolved to his satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grezzzy_greer Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Hmmm...thats odd...I thought this was about children......??? Anyway - I have to say that having kids was certainly scary - for me it was something that really worried me - there were all the concerns about being a parent, all the worries about being able to support the family, and all the things associated with raising the kids. My daughter was born about twelve and a half years ago now, my son a couple of years later, and my littlest one, Kira, just turned 3. I am now divorced (nothing to do with the kids) and they live in Australia while I still live in Thailand. I do feel that I may not have been a good enough father - in my kind of work I am away from home for most of the time, but on the occassions when I see them (and I ring them every week) I am so proud of them, and certainly could not imagine my life without them. When you are single you cannot possibly ever imagine the joy of having kids - it is not just having them around, and being a part of their world, seeing them grow and learn...it is much more than that; it is something that cannot easily be put in words, if at all... Simply, they are you...they were created from you...so how could anyone ever describe the relationship of a parent and a child? Children do change the way we live, but as soon as you have them in your life, all else changes anyway - if you try, you will generally find that your pride in the kids, and your love for them, and their love for you changes your perspective on life. Dr Sassy said she was learning, and from the way she said it, I guess shegot a pleasant surprise at what she can do - thats because it is an instinct - don't supress it - it will grow more wonderful every day. I am so proud of Grezzzy that she gets along so very well with my kids - she is an absolutely natural born mother - but when we are together out and about without the kids - she is my sexy wonderful and fun fiance - just as she always has been since we first met - so you se it is possible to have both - the parental instincts and the fun "single" lifestyle as well - or at least a modified version of it. Before you know it they have grown up - it hardly seems like more than a few years since Miki was just a baby - two years old and going to the Big C with daddy or coming into my office and finishing a whole plate of crackers with blue cheese (weird - cos she is 50% Thai after all) - the memories are so wonderful - and every day they make new ones - they will always be my babies - and when Grezzzy and I have our first together, he or she will come into a world that I cannot imagine right now, but I will not be afraid - my children are my life - and my continuation - not selfishly, but with love and happiness to let them experience this world. Greer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I couldn't imagine having kids right now. I know I want to have them in the future, but the responsibility of owning a large yellow (highly energetic) lab at the moment is already testing my limits! I would have to have children, though. For now, however, it's just a nice thought for the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drlovelife8 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 i would love to have kids, but i am such a walking disaster it would be a crime to father any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibel Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 What really worries me is that Belgium hasn't an Olympic medal yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 ...but the responsibility of owning a large yellow (highly energetic) lab at the moment is already testing my limits! well.... im glad someone else's Lab is testing them to the limits.... mines not yet 5 mths and shes destroyed half the garden, chewed my expensive bicycle seat, half my shoes, socks and a pair of shorts...and being a water lover, she's discovered the fish pond for swimming and the big lotus pots for... well just standing in to cool down, while chewing on the lotus flowers... She aint allowed in the house.... she's got a huge garden to play in....but she decided to wander in the other night while i wasnt watching.... and drop a massive **** on my moroccan rug....go figure. Talk about energy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHISKERS Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Here I am . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Talk about piling it on . . . . Jeezzzuss . . . Zeus . . . get a grip and stop your raving . . . You've been letting the peanut gallery wind you up. First off, you, Phil and Mazzy are all right . . . I didn't go back to read the original post . . . obviously a stupid thing to do . . . and I will apologize for that. Still, you've got to understand . . . when you use words like "retarded" and "a**hole" in your comments, there will always be people who are going to get upset. You enjoy being controversial . . . and that's fine . . . just let the name calling go, like Phil was eluding to . . . you'll become a much better debater. As far as Kenny goes, which is why I made a comment at all, is the fact that he writes many journals and makes many comments in his profile about his son. That's why I said I understand where he's coming from with his comment. As it turns out, it wasn't even his comment. Stupid me . . . As far as siamhotel goes, . . . again your right . . . we don't communicate and I've never met him. But at the same time I think he's just a guy having some fun. Although I'm not always sure what he's talking about, he has made me laugh out loud now and then. Since I haven't been online at all today until now . . . I don't know what your talking about. Judge?? Jury?? No, not me . . . but you would be amazed how many people talk about you . . . and some others . . . and why they won't come into these forums. Now . . . my view on children . . . I have 5. Only 2 were planned . . . and 2 were actually conceived while my wife was on the pill.(She claimed she didn't miss any days.)(The doctored claimed the pills weren't strong enough.) Eiither way, it didn't matter. I love them all equally and have always supported them with their goals. They are all grown now . . . the oldest 35, the youngest 20. 4 boys and i girl . . . and 2 grandchildren. Yes!! I am a grandpa . . . and very proud of it. I do not believe having children is for everyone. In fact, for many, it's a total nightmare. Suddenly there's this little personality that not everyone can deal with. If you want to have a child, be prepared to change your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 1. telenovela Here I am . . .hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Talk about piling it on . . . . Jeezzzuss . . . Zeus . . . get a grip and stop your raving . . . You've been letting the peanut gallery wind you up. it's a matter of policy that i always let the peanut gallery wind me up.i it's in my contract. First off, you, Phil and Mazzy are all right . . . I didn't go back to read the original post . . . obviously a stupid thing to do . . . and I will apologize for that. fair play that. well played, sir. Still, you've got to understand . . . when you use words like "retarded" and "a**hole" in your comments, there will always be people who are going to get upset. You enjoy being controversial . . . and that's fine . . . just let the name calling go, like Phil was eluding to . . . you'll become a much better debater. fair enough comment, although i'm unlikely to change in principle, at least on net forums and pubs, as i do have a specific agenda. if i'm not actually specifically calling anyone retarded or an a**hole, then in my estimation i have as much right to say it on this site as they have to be offended, until a moderator tells me otherwise in the form of their lovely greeting cards. i prefer to be "bad" for the simple reason that "bad" behavior coupled with a clear argument can create a moral dilemma for a reader, however tiny. Judge?? Jury?? No, not me . . . so, seems your intent was dramatic illustration? well if *anyone* can relate to that, i can, and i have to admit... i ... i liked it, it was fun :twisted: much respect for owning your mistake! you may resume "bullying" me if any time you like... as long as it's for what i actually say (not that you need my consent, but generally i don't mind *if* you got the facts straight). but you would be amazed how many people talk about you . . . and some others . . . and why they won't come into these forums. whether people talk about me is of no concern to me... UNLESS and UNTIL it makes them decide not to come to the forum. however, so far none of the many people who are talking about me have talked to me about what i've done to bug them. if anyone feels i have persecuted them, they can either report me to the mods (which works well, i've gotten lots of shiny yellow cards in the past), or can PM me. if i've said anything to do harm to them personally, i'm not so stubborn that i won't apologize if i'm made to believe an apology is warranted. at the very least i will explain my intention if i feel it's been misrepresented or misunderstood. i'm guessing that if these people really won't come into these forums because of something i said, they're probably shy or non-confrontational types and might dread sending me a PM with their specific complaints. if you wouldn't mind being the middleman, i'd like to know... do understand that i am in no way swearing off um... swearing, condescension, rudeness, and grandstanding in general. however it's' entirely possible to convince me i've crossed a line, i respond well to facts and reason, generally. ON TOPIC (!) Now . . . my view on children . . . I have 5. Only 2 were planned . . . and 2 were actually conceived while my wife was on the pill.(She claimed she didn't miss any days.)(The doctored claimed the pills weren't strong enough.) Eiither way, it didn't matter. I love them all equally and have always supported them with their goals. They are all grown now . . . the oldest 35, the youngest 20. 4 boys and i girl . . . and 2 grandchildren. Yes!! I am a grandpa . . . and very proud of it. its' something worth being proud of, although fathering a child when you're ten years old has got to make for a hard life :twisted:I do not believe having children is for everyone. In fact, for many, it's a total nightmare. Suddenly there's this little personality that not everyone can deal with. If you want to have a child, be prepared to change your life. i find it interesting how often the people who have had great success with parenting (you and Kennyke for example) acknowledge that it might not be the best for everyone, and that choosing not to isn't necessarily a sign of moral bankruptcy. bottom line on such people is even if they choose not to have children for utterly selfish reasons, it's not an inherently immoral act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusbheld Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 now, just because i know the inconsistency has GOT to annoy someone somewhere, an on-topic post from me: i don't have any kids. i did date a girl for a while (couple of years) who had kids. i quite enjoyed the kids, and got on with them quite well. however, when she decided i needed to step up and be a father replacement (at least, that's my understanding of what she was saying) i could not accept. the thing was, as i saw it, not only did they already have a father, but he lived in town and saw the kids, and the kids considered HIM, not ME, their father. which to my eye, didn't mean i wouldn't love and support the kids in every other way i could, although to her it apparently did as i was dumped a couple weeks later. there was one other thing: i wasn't willing to give them baths (as i felt they were too old for me to be touching them nekkid). that might be different with one's own flesh and blood, but the youngest kid was about 5 when i met them, they didn't grow up with me. one thing i'm curious about, a question for parents and step-parents: how different are things, when the kids are your own flesh and blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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